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FWIW, I would start her with a .308 Winchester shooting lighter bullets at moderate velocities, and let her work up to 180-grain premium bullet at 2,400-2,500 fps.
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Id talk to Phil but based on all that I have read/heard from him and others is that a 7mm-08 or 270 make for a sensible minimum. With premium 160s or 150s id feel fine with either one assuming she is a cool head and a good shot. My Grandfather was a longtime resident in Kodiak and killed many with a 30-06 firing factory 180grain cup and core ammo in the 30s and 40s. Never got messy.
Id assume she's a non res and will be with an outfitter...
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Lady has shot 22 rifles at lots of rabbit and squirrel. 30-06 kicks too much she said after shooting one. So maybe a little recoil shy too. Or possibly a rifle which does kick too much and with a muzzle brake. Any suggestions on what rifle to use? Is this a troll question - or serious ? If you are serious then why not ask your Kodiak guide for their opinion ? But there is no reason that anyone, of any sex, interested and tough enough to actualy hunt bear on Kodiak should not be interested and tough enough to learn to competently handle at least a .270, 308 or 30-06.
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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Hmm...
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What do you think about a 7x57 or 7/08 with premium 160s or 175s Phil?
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I'm with Flave on this one. Get a brake put on the -06 and she'll be good to go. Will reduce felt recoil to something like a .243. Use a 180gr. TSX or similar and she should have good penetration. I would think Phil Shoemaker would probably have some good words of wisdom on this since he's dealt with a huge variety of hunters over the years and his wife and daughter could probably give some advice as well. If someone needs a muzzle brake to shoot a rifle,it's too much for them. She would be better off with a .270,280,.308,7/08,7x57 loaded with heavy bullets and practice on rabbits. Actually,she would be better off starting with a .243,.257 Rbts,then going up to the .270,.280...etc.
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What do you think about a 7x57 or 7/08 with premium 160s or 175s Phil? They would work just fine --- providing the shooter was capable.
Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master Guide, Alaska Hunter Ed Instructor FAA Master pilot www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.comAnyone who claims the 30-06 is not effective has either not used one, or else is unwittingly commenting on their marksmanship.
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^ This according to one of the most world-renowned Brown Bear outfitters of all time.
Id say the 7x57 or 7/08 is your best bet for a low recoil brown bear round.
Thanks Phil...always a pleasure hearing your thoughts on all things bear related!
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Maybe you should just let her use a Smith & Wesson Compact 9mm with Buffalo Bullets
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Get her two identical rifles, one in .223 and the other something sufficient - 30/06, .358 Win, etc. and scope them the same. Buy 1,000 rounds of .223 ammo and have her shoot the .223 until she's completely comfortable with it. With a light caliber, there's no chance she'll develop a flinch, and you can really work on developing form, working the bolt from the shoulder, shooting off sticks, etc.
When it's time for the trip, switch them out. She'll have no fear or issue shooting the larger cal, especially in an actual hunting situation. The rifle will feel and function the same as the .223 that she shot all summer.
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Lady has shot 22 rifles at lots of rabbit and squirrel. 30-06 kicks too much she said after shooting one. So maybe a little recoil shy too. Or possibly a rifle which does kick too much and with a muzzle brake. Any suggestions on what rifle to use? I'm neither a gunwriter or a guide, but I would suggest a Browning BAR in .308. If even that recoil is too much, have a brake put on it. There's a BAR for sale here; GunBroker LINK Load it with premium bullets, no less than a 165 gr Barnes TTSX, and go forth and kill her bear. Loaded with 130gr TTSX, she can kill anything else in North America. Ed
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She ain't ready to be pointing rifles at Brown Bear. I agree, however she 'could' get ready by NEXT year. Jerry
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Maybe you should just let her use a Smith & Wesson Compact 9mm with Buffalo Bullets rumor has it that no matter how many decades of killing bears you have a sample sizes of one don't mean anything and, even it it did, it would probably only work on big bears at under 10 feet. So it's not something I would recommend for a hunter - or anyone with only internet experience.
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But there is no reason that anyone, of any sex, interested and tough enough to actualy hunt bear on Kodiak should not be interested and tough enough to learn to competently handle at least a .270, 308 or 30-06. This maybe brings up another issue. Does SHE was to hunt brown bear or do YOU want her to hunt brown bear? I'm having a hard time conjuring up the mental image of a woman who wants to go after brown bear as her first big game animal.
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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It is very poor idea to arm bears at all, let alone with a woman's rifle. Marksmanship would suffer greatly due to the smaller size of the rifle, and his big paws.
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...30-06 kicks too much she said after shooting one... Was it a lightweight rifle? With a proper recoil pad? Did she use shoulder protection? Shot from a bench? Factory loads? She shoots 1 unknown .30-06 and quits? Come on!
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But there is no reason that anyone, of any sex, interested and tough enough to actualy hunt bear on Kodiak should not be interested and tough enough to learn to competently handle at least a .270, 308 or 30-06. This maybe brings up another issue. Does SHE was to hunt brown bear or do YOU want her to hunt brown bear? I'm having a hard time conjuring up the mental image of a woman who wants to go after brown bear as her first big game animal. This whole thread is funny. That's what I'm conjuring up and out of it...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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If you're of a gentler persuasion and all you've ever shot is a 22, it might be somewhat of a stretch to jump into a full bore 30-06 without some intermediate rounds and sufficient time to adapt to the recoil and blast.
It's much the same as adapting a youngster to a centerfire. Spend some range time with reduced recoil 30-06 loads and don't shoot full power loads off the bench without some padding between the rifle butt and the shoulder...like a shooting vest with a leather recoil pad.
I'd say the recoil of a 20 guage is near 30-06 level, and I've taken a few ladies out to the skeet range behind a 20 Guage Over/Under, and they are having so much fun trying to connect with those moving birds they'll shoot a few boxes of shells without nary a complaint, or even a thought about recoil.
But try shooting 100 rounds with a 20 guage off the bench sometime and I'll bet that more than a few guys here will have a sore shoulder the next day.
Now those girls also have been shown correct shooting form, and the importance of that cannot be over-stressed.
Once the gal has a rifle with a stock that fits her correctly, and she knows how to hold it properly, you can start her off by loading the 30-06 down to under the 30-30 level, and then work up to 308 level with a 150 Barnes TTSX and have a mild recoiling load with good performance.
Other than that option, a rifle chambered in 308 can kick 20% less than a full power 30-06. A 6.5 Creedmore will drop it down another 10% and both will still provide a lot of power when loaded with lighter Barnes Bullets...say a 150 TTSX or 120 TTSX. Those bullets will out penetrate heavier standard bullets and will get the job done if well-placed.
Whatever this gal is at right now in terms of her skill level, she needs to mature into a competent rifle(man) and be a decent shot with a rifle she is comfortable with before she goes afield to take on North America's apex predator.
Both are a life changing experience, but not before she's ready. It takes some time to develop these skills.
It doesn't sound to me that she is ready to take this on at this point, but give the lady the time she needs to grow and she'll have a good outcome.
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Pretty long winded post. I'm glad I wasn't babied this much by my dad and grandfather. I was shooting an 06, 20 gauge and 44 mag (smith 29) when I was 12 and loving the hell out of it.. Those were different times I guess... I've also seen guys call their sons honey. You wouldn't happen to be one of those guys, would you??
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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It is very poor idea to arm bears at all, let alone with a woman's rifle. Marksmanship would suffer greatly due to the smaller size of the rifle, and his big paws. You have a great future here at the fire!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You have distilled the essence of the matter down to the very nub! Grammar, syntax, and anatomy! But where does the blue tape come in? Well played!
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I on the fence for a 30-06 with brake otherwise it is time for a camera. Got to work with her a lot more. Thanks for the suggestions. I like the 257 Roberts but would never suggest one use it on Kodiak bear.
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