|
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 17,098
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 17,098 |
as versatile as the 7.62x39 is I can't see why anyone would want a 30-30
I can't think of a better driving gun than an AK with standard magazine equipped with a red dot
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 23,453
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 23,453 |
as versatile as the 7.62x39 is I can't see why anyone would want a 30-30
I can't think of a better driving gun than an AK with standard magazine equipped with a red dot Not PA legal?  Might consider the new M+M Industries take on the 7.62 semi-auto. Fewer parts, better barrel, more accurate, easier to maintain, 100% US made.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,479
Campfire Kahuna
|
|
Campfire Kahuna
Joined: Jan 2005
Posts: 57,479 |
Blackheart my man. I have not looked at this thread in a long time.
How close have you killed deer? Vs how far have I?
FWIW, I do it my way you do it yours. And I can tell you that while you probably have killed deer closer than mine, I will mention that I have over 100 big game kills by archery gear, only one over 25 yards, only two at 25ish yards. The rest are at or under my self imposed limit of 16 steps. The closest are a deer at 3 steps. A pig at 3 steps. Most bow kills have been under 10 steps.
As to our long range stuff, only have to say that I have a couple or maybe more, awards that might indicate its not all hot air as you indicate. Not that it matters or that I care.
I have yet to harvest past 802. I have yet to get a kill with a spear. But both are still on the list. As well as stone heads for the bow if my injury ever allows me back to my recurve...
It flat doesn't take much to kill a deer here cartridge wise. a 22lr would do the trick on most deer.
yet, the be ready part of me says you are always ready for the long shot. I have view from where I hunt, of up close, all the way out past 600 yards of wide open ridges, where if a rutting buck showed, you could never get around closer and find the buck back unless they bed... whcih they have done and we have stalked before up close.
30-30 wise I own 3... one a handgun. I've taken more than a few with them. And even though I've never taken one with the x39 with my own gun I have used my nephews a few times.
Had a large nilgai once with the 30-30 contender handgun too... when I was young and dumb enough to think record books were cool, it was #5....for a time.
Simply to think that TX is full of thickets or totally wide open shows not much knowledge of this state at all. Or to think that TX has so many deer any fool could kill them on demand... some areas yes, some its pretty tough, mixed in with public land etc... other hunters, permits required and so on.
I suspect before talking about someone we should all learn who they really are. BTW there was a time frame where I never used a gun, probably close to 15 years, and never shot less than 4 deer..... hmmm....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 26,524
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 26,524 |
Don't know why you need a .30 cal anything to kill a deer.... Oh snap
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 32,130
Campfire 'Bwana
|
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 32,130 |
Blackheart, Setting aside this mini ballistics pissing contest for a moment, I wanted to make sure you didn't miss Paul's latest thread. http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/11560743#Post11554644As I recall, no one challenges your experience in the subject area.
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 17,098
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jun 2012
Posts: 17,098 |
wonder what the fine is for smuggling asstrout
Last edited by gitem_12; 11/07/16.
The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude
Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237
Campfire Ranger
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237 |
Which one of you works in the gun business? I do azzhole. 8 years full time gunmithing. When the rest of you goobers have done that, plus hunted with, handloaded for and killed 75 deer with the .30-30 let me know. rost495, easily and then some. Just one, for example. Out of curiosity, how many have you killed with the 7.62x39? Rost has never impressed me much at all frankly. He likes to brag about killing deer at exteme distances sure but no good hunter needs to do that. Particularly someplace like Texas where deer are thick and easy to kill in numbers. If he's your hero for some reason, so be it. BTW you've mentioned the "limited" amount of tags available in NY a couple of times so lets clear some of that up. I have 5 tags for this season right now. A gun season buck tag, two DMP doe tags, which can be used in gun, bow, crossbow or muzzleloader season, an either sex bow/ muzzleloader tag and an antlerless only bow/muzzleloader tag. This is normal and can be done every year. Beyond that there are special management areas in certain DMU'S where you can get unlimited doe tags. There is one 15 minutes from where I work and I have participated in the past. A friend of mine killed 12 does last year in one of those areas plus 2 bucks on his regular tags for a total of 14 all legally harvested. I myself lost count many years ago but I figure I've killed at least 200 and that's being conservative. In short, I am no newbie to killing deer or examining the terminal effects of various bullets/calibers. As stated previously, I have killed nearly 80 deer with a .30-30 , several of those with handloads using 125 and 130 gr. bullets which virtually duplicated the standard factory ballistics of the 7.62 x 39. Yes, those loads killed deer, no they were not as good as a 170 grain bullet at 2200fps due to reduced penetration. Can you point out where I said rost was my hero? No? Didn't think so. I brought him up because of your insistence on one of us having at least the level of experiences in certain areas you have. Jeff tops that, and easily so. You're not impressed? Oh well, the experience is there in spades. He's FAR from a braggart as well, very, very rarely mentioning who he is or what he has done. NY certainly HAS had far more limited tags that what you may now have. They certainly have not had that liberal a bag limit except for just a recent few years. There were many years when the legal limit was way less than 5. To kill more than 200 in NY, assuming no travel to any other state, you'd be looking at filling all legal tags for 50 years or better; at least 40. That's a Hell of a long stretch, which you may well have accomplished. Killing 200 or more in places like TX or other Southern states (SC, for example) can be done in less than a decade, if one sets out to do so. Hell, there are areas in NC that have no daily limit and no season limit; shoot as many as you want from Sept to Jan. There are a lot of other people who aren't newbies to killing deer or terminal ballistics, either; perhaps you should understand that. You say you've killed almost 80 with the .30-30. Great. How many with the 7.62x39, and which loads? Actually it was back in the 90's when they started handing out 2 DMP doe tags per hunter like they were candy. I forgot to mention in my last post that tranferring doe tags from one hunter to another is also legal. Many hunters {including me} will have their non hunting wives, children, friends etc. buy a license just so they can use their doe tags. Those tags are good in any season, gun, bow, crossbow and muzzleloader. You are only allowed to use two transferred tags per year so that takes your total number of legally harvested deer up to 7 per season without participating in one of the special management units. I have hunted 41 seasons here now and filled every tag I could get my hands on every year up until the last two. Now that my last children have moved out and I have been diagnosed with kidney disease and subsequently put on a low protein diet, I simply don't use as much venison as before so 3 per year has been enough. A s to your question of how many deer I've shot with the 7.62x39 the answer is none. I thought I had made it pretty clear that I had shot several with a .30-30 using handloads that virtually duplicate the performance of the usual 123 -125 grain 7.62 x 39 factory loads more than once in this thread.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 23,453
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 23,453 |
[quote=kingston]Which one of you works in the gun business? I do azzhole. 8 years full time gunmithing. When the rest of you goobers have done that, plus hunted with, handloaded for and killed 75 deer with the .30-30 let me know. rost495, easily and then some. Just one, for example. Out of curiosity, how many have you killed with the 7.62x39?[/quote Rost has never impressed me much at all frankly. He likes to brag about killing deer at exteme distances sure but no good hunter needs to do that. Particularly someplace like Texas where deer are thick and easy to kill in numbers. If he's your hero for some reason, so be it. BTW you've mentioned the "limited" amount of tags available in NY a couple of times so lets clear some of that up. I have 5 tags for this season right now. A gun season buck tag, two DMP doe tags, which can be used in gun, bow, crossbow or muzzleloader season, an either sex bow/ muzzleloader tag and an antlerless only bow/muzzleloader tag. This is normal and can be done every year. Beyond that there are special management areas in certain DMU'S where you can get unlimited doe tags. There is one 15 minutes from where I work and I have participated in the past. A friend of mine killed 12 does last year in one of those areas plus 2 bucks on his regular tags for a total of 14 all legally harvested. I myself lost count many years ago but I figure I've killed at least 200 and that's being conservative. In short, I am no newbie to killing deer or examining the terminal effects of various bullets/calibers. As stated previously, I have killed nearly 80 deer with a .30-30 , several of those with handloads using 125 and 130 gr. bullets which virtually duplicated the standard factory ballistics of the 7.62 x 39. Yes, those loads killed deer, no they were not as good as a 170 grain bullet at 2200fps due to reduced penetration. Can you point out where I said rost was my hero? No? Didn't think so. I brought him up because of your insistence on one of us having at least the level of experiences in certain areas you have. Jeff tops that, and easily so. You're not impressed? Oh well, the experience is there in spades. He's FAR from a braggart as well, very, very rarely mentioning who he is or what he has done. NY certainly HAS had far more limited tags that what you may now have. They certainly have not had that liberal a bag limit except for just a recent few years. There were many years when the legal limit was way less than 5. To kill more than 200 in NY, assuming no travel to any other state, you'd be looking at filling all legal tags for 50 years or better; at least 40. That's a Hell of a long stretch, which you may well have accomplished. Killing 200 or more in places like TX or other Southern states (SC, for example) can be done in less than a decade, if one sets out to do so. Hell, there are areas in NC that have no daily limit and no season limit; shoot as many as you want from Sept to Jan. There are a lot of other people who aren't newbies to killing deer or terminal ballistics, either; perhaps you should understand that. You say you've killed almost 80 with the .30-30. Great. How many with the 7.62x39, and which loads? Actually it was back in the 90's when they started handing out 2 DMP doe tags per hunter like they were candy. I forgot to mention in my last post that tranferring doe tags from one hunter to another is also legal. Many hunters {including me} will have their non hunting wives, children, friends etc. buy a license just so they can use their doe tags. Those tags are good in any season, gun, bow, crossbow and muzzleloader. You are only allowed to use two transferred tags per year so that takes your total number of legally harvested deer up to 7 per season without participating in one of the special management units. I have hunted 41 seasons here now and filled every tag I could get my hands on every year up until the last two. Now that my last children have moved out and I have been diagnosed with kidney disease and subsequently put on a low protein diet, I simply don't use as much venison as before so 3 per year has been enough. A s to your question of how many deer I've shot with the 7.62x39 the answer is none. I thought I had made it pretty clear that I had shot several with a .30-30 using handloads that virtually duplicate the performance of the usual 123 -125 grain 7.62 x 39 factory loads more than once in this thread. 1) learned something on the transfer of tags. I never knew that, and that makes sense as to how getting that many up there is possible. Obliged. 2) sorry to hear about the medical maladies; that sucks. After this season, I'll do some additional load work up with heavier bullets in the 7.62x39 (now that some unobtanium powder has surfaced). These will be bolt gun only loads. I'll even run some 170 grain .308" FN and RN ".30-30" bullets for direct comparison. Being shorter than the spitzer 174s I've run previously, that added capacity might just be a little boost.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 21,692
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Nov 2004
Posts: 21,692 |
The 30 WCF is a great cartridge, the 7.62x39mm is good as well, but my pick is the 300 Blackout. I predict it will be the end of the 30-30.
The .30-30 will be around as long as Grumman aluminum canoes, .45ACPs, and cockroaches. Tongue in cheek, my friend.
"The number one problem with America is, a whole lot of people need shot, and nobody is shooting them."
-Master Chief Hershel Davis
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 23,453
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 23,453 |
The 30 WCF is a great cartridge, the 7.62x39mm is good as well, but my pick is the 300 Blackout. I predict it will be the end of the 30-30.
The .30-30 will be around as long as Grumman aluminum canoes, .45ACPs, and cockroaches. Tongue in cheek, my friend. Figured, as I suspect you might just have one or two...
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237 |
Blackheart my man. I have not looked at this thread in a long time.
How close have you killed deer? Vs how far have I?
FWIW, I do it my way you do it yours. And I can tell you that while you probably have killed deer closer than mine, I will mention that I have over 100 big game kills by archery gear, only one over 25 yards, only two at 25ish yards. The rest are at or under my self imposed limit of 16 steps. The closest are a deer at 3 steps. A pig at 3 steps. Most bow kills have been under 10 steps.
As to our long range stuff, only have to say that I have a couple or maybe more, awards that might indicate its not all hot air as you indicate. Not that it matters or that I care.
I have yet to harvest past 802. I have yet to get a kill with a spear. But both are still on the list. As well as stone heads for the bow if my injury ever allows me back to my recurve...
It flat doesn't take much to kill a deer here cartridge wise. a 22lr would do the trick on most deer.
yet, the be ready part of me says you are always ready for the long shot. I have view from where I hunt, of up close, all the way out past 600 yards of wide open ridges, where if a rutting buck showed, you could never get around closer and find the buck back unless they bed... whcih they have done and we have stalked before up close.
30-30 wise I own 3... one a handgun. I've taken more than a few with them. And even though I've never taken one with the x39 with my own gun I have used my nephews a few times.
Had a large nilgai once with the 30-30 contender handgun too... when I was young and dumb enough to think record books were cool, it was #5....for a time.
Simply to think that TX is full of thickets or totally wide open shows not much knowledge of this state at all. Or to think that TX has so many deer any fool could kill them on demand... some areas yes, some its pretty tough, mixed in with public land etc... other hunters, permits required and so on.
I suspect before talking about someone we should all learn who they really are. BTW there was a time frame where I never used a gun, probably close to 15 years, and never shot less than 4 deer..... hmmm.... Well Rost I have more than a few awards earned on the firing line in NRA registered 4 position smallbore competition myself. I won't bore you with all the details but I have been to the state championships more than once and placed in the top 3 each time. One year I even took high individual. Beyond that, I have competed in the Empire State games, the Northeastern states championship and been invited to the olympic tryouts. My offhand averge was the highest in the league and my kneeling average the second highest. I hold every NRA smallbore marksmanship award there is, up to and including distinguished expert. I have killed deer with rifle, shotgun, handgun, bow, muzzleloader and motor vehicle, including several with each of the .22 LR, .22 mag and 5mm Remington rimfire mag. on agricultural damage control permits. The fact that I could probably muster the skill to shoot deer at long distances is unimportant because I simply have no need, nor the desire, nor even a place to do so.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237 |
Which one of you works in the gun business? I do azzhole. 8 years full time gunmithing. When the rest of you goobers have done that, plus hunted with, handloaded for and killed 75 deer with the .30-30 let me know. rost495, easily and then some. Just one, for example. Out of curiosity, how many have you killed with the 7.62x39? Rost has never impressed me much at all frankly. He likes to brag about killing deer at exteme distances sure but no good hunter needs to do that. Particularly someplace like Texas where deer are thick and easy to kill in numbers. If he's your hero for some reason, so be it. BTW you've mentioned the "limited" amount of tags available in NY a couple of times so lets clear some of that up. I have 5 tags for this season right now. A gun season buck tag, two DMP doe tags, which can be used in gun, bow, crossbow or muzzleloader season, an either sex bow/ muzzleloader tag and an antlerless only bow/muzzleloader tag. This is normal and can be done every year. Beyond that there are special management areas in certain DMU'S where you can get unlimited doe tags. There is one 15 minutes from where I work and I have participated in the past. A friend of mine killed 12 does last year in one of those areas plus 2 bucks on his regular tags for a total of 14 all legally harvested. I myself lost count many years ago but I figure I've killed at least 200 and that's being conservative. In short, I am no newbie to killing deer or examining the terminal effects of various bullets/calibers. As stated previously, I have killed nearly 80 deer with a .30-30 , several of those with handloads using 125 and 130 gr. bullets which virtually duplicated the standard factory ballistics of the 7.62 x 39. Yes, those loads killed deer, no they were not as good as a 170 grain bullet at 2200fps due to reduced penetration. your last sentence sort of underscores why so.many think you're fugg in retarded if the 170s killed deer, and the 125s killed deer. then you can't logically state that the 125s were not as good as the 170s. unless you have a scientific protocol that demands x amount of penetration in order for a certain round to be adequate. however, seeing that the point of hunting deer is to kill them. then dead is dead...regardless of the amount of penetration Sometimes it's damned nice to have an exit wound for a better chance of a good blood trail. Sometimes it's nice to have enough penetration to take a hard raking shot and still reach the vitals. Sometimes it's nice to be able to break both shoulders on a large buck and plant his azz right there. The 170 grain .30-30 bullet is much better for any of that than a 125. At least so long as we're talking conventional jacketed cnc bullets. Now, who's the fuggin retard again ?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237 |
When fielding questions regarding deer rifles, I frequently got the one: ". . . my BIL says I should by an SKS, 'cause it shoots gooder than my 30-30 and the ammo is cheaper."
Case capacity wins every time in any discussion of the theoretical limits of two cartridges. Isn't there about a 25% advantage in favor of a 30-30? I'd say that pretty well says it all.
Yes, a souped-up 7.62 X39 fired from a nice bolt gun will do about the same job on a deer as a factory 30-30 up to a point, but having spent a good part of my life around KY hillbillies that spent the better part of their lives trying to make their 30-30's work like aught-sixes, I'd give the edge to the 30 WCF.
Yep, and if you want to soup up the 30-30 with Paco kellys 40,000 cup handloads {same pressure the 444 Marlin is loaded to in the 336 action} it really stomps the 7.62x39. And what deer bullet does Paco Kelly recommend above all others for the .30-30? The Speer 130. It has radically better SD than a 125... Actually, the sectional density of the 125 gr. is .185 and the 130 gr. is .196. Not much difference there at all. The SD of a 170 gr. is .256 just FYI.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237 |
as versatile as the 7.62x39 is I can't see why anyone would want a 30-30
I can't think of a better driving gun than an AK with standard magazine equipped with a red dot AK handles like a fuggin club. A winchester 94 handles like it just fell from heaven.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 23,453
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 23,453 |
Blackheart my man. I have not looked at this thread in a long time.
How close have you killed deer? Vs how far have I?
FWIW, I do it my way you do it yours. And I can tell you that while you probably have killed deer closer than mine, I will mention that I have over 100 big game kills by archery gear, only one over 25 yards, only two at 25ish yards. The rest are at or under my self imposed limit of 16 steps. The closest are a deer at 3 steps. A pig at 3 steps. Most bow kills have been under 10 steps.
As to our long range stuff, only have to say that I have a couple or maybe more, awards that might indicate its not all hot air as you indicate. Not that it matters or that I care.
I have yet to harvest past 802. I have yet to get a kill with a spear. But both are still on the list. As well as stone heads for the bow if my injury ever allows me back to my recurve...
It flat doesn't take much to kill a deer here cartridge wise. a 22lr would do the trick on most deer.
yet, the be ready part of me says you are always ready for the long shot. I have view from where I hunt, of up close, all the way out past 600 yards of wide open ridges, where if a rutting buck showed, you could never get around closer and find the buck back unless they bed... whcih they have done and we have stalked before up close.
30-30 wise I own 3... one a handgun. I've taken more than a few with them. And even though I've never taken one with the x39 with my own gun I have used my nephews a few times.
Had a large nilgai once with the 30-30 contender handgun too... when I was young and dumb enough to think record books were cool, it was #5....for a time.
Simply to think that TX is full of thickets or totally wide open shows not much knowledge of this state at all. Or to think that TX has so many deer any fool could kill them on demand... some areas yes, some its pretty tough, mixed in with public land etc... other hunters, permits required and so on.
I suspect before talking about someone we should all learn who they really are. BTW there was a time frame where I never used a gun, probably close to 15 years, and never shot less than 4 deer..... hmmm.... Well Rost I have more than a few awards earned on the firing line in NRA registered 4 position smallbore competition myself. I won't bore you with all the details but I have been to the state championships more than once and placed in the top 3 each time. One year I even took high individual. Beyond that, I have competed in the Empire State games, the Northeastern states championship and been invited to the olympic tryouts. My offhand averge was the highest in the league and my kneeling average the second highest. I hold every NRA smallbore marksmanship award there is, up to and including distinguished expert. I have killed deer with rifle, shotgun, handgun, bow, muzzleloader and motor vehicle, including several with each of the .22 LR, .22 mag and 5mm Remington rimfire mag. on agricultural damage control peermits. This part of the pissing contest ought to get interesting...
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 23,453
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 23,453 |
as versatile as the 7.62x39 is I can't see why anyone would want a 30-30
I can't think of a better driving gun than an AK with standard magazine equipped with a red dot AK handles like a fuggin club. A winchester 94 handles like it just fell from heaven. 'Twas a joke...
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 23,453
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 23,453 |
When fielding questions regarding deer rifles, I frequently got the one: ". . . my BIL says I should by an SKS, 'cause it shoots gooder than my 30-30 and the ammo is cheaper."
Case capacity wins every time in any discussion of the theoretical limits of two cartridges. Isn't there about a 25% advantage in favor of a 30-30? I'd say that pretty well says it all.
Yes, a souped-up 7.62 X39 fired from a nice bolt gun will do about the same job on a deer as a factory 30-30 up to a point, but having spent a good part of my life around KY hillbillies that spent the better part of their lives trying to make their 30-30's work like aught-sixes, I'd give the edge to the 30 WCF.
Yep, and if you want to soup up the 30-30 with Paco kellys 40,000 cup handloads {same pressure the 444 Marlin is loaded to in the 336 action} it really stomps the 7.62x39. And what deer bullet does Paco Kelly recommend above all others for the .30-30? The Speer 130. It has radically better SD than a 125... Actually, the sectional density of the 125 gr. is .185 and the 130 gr. is .196. Not much difference there at all. The SD of a 170 gr. is .256 just FYI. 150 .312" is .220; 174 is .255. Running some numbers, the x39 ought to be able to through the .308" 170 ".30-30" bullets at 2200, +/- 50 fps (RL-7 and AA1680, for starters). It'll be interesting to see how that shakes out.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 32,130
Campfire 'Bwana
|
|
Campfire 'Bwana
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 32,130 |
Can we just get back to who's the better pants shîtter.
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Dec 2010
Posts: 19,237 |
Can we just get back to who's the better pants shîtter. That post from Paul was hilarious. Glad you brought it to my attention. Anyone who swears they've never sharted is most likely a liar. Happened to a young coworker of mine just last week and it was funny as hell. We were still getting a few good laughs out of it today.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 23,453
Campfire Ranger
|
|
Campfire Ranger
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 23,453 |
A climbing stand shart is, well... 
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
|
|
|
|
|
535 members (1beaver_shooter, 1936M71, 17CalFan, 1badf350, 160user, 22250rem, 47 invisible),
2,534
guests, and
1,341
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Forums81
Topics1,191,710
Posts18,475,395
Members73,941
| |
Most Online11,491
Jul 7th, 2023
|
|
|
|
