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On, according to GOP lawmakers.

See:

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...ard-post-election-gop-lawmakers-say.html

But .... if she (they) get pardoned by Obongo we can more or less forget about the probes.

No one has explained to me how someone can be pardoned...who has not been indited or convicted of a crime.

Maybe you can?

Because Pres Ford did it and nobody questioned it. That set a precedent that's never been tested in court. If someone had contested it and it went to court, a judge might have made an entirely different ruling.

Precedent.

Ford did it for Nixon and got away with it.

Ed

Nixon was pardoned, yet never convicted.

The House had started the impeachment process. Which in my mind is an indictment. This is different than a probe...yes...no?


On this day in 1974, the House Judiciary Committee recommends that America’s 37th president, Richard M. Nixon, be impeached and removed from office. The impeachment proceedings resulted from a series of political scandals involving the Nixon administration that came to be collectively known as Watergate.

The Watergate scandal first came to light following a break-in on June 17, 1972, at the Democratic Party’s national headquarters in the Watergate apartment-hotel complex in Washington, D.C. A group of men linked to the White House were later arrested and charged with the crime. Nixon denied any involvement with the break-in, but several of his staff members were eventually implicated in an illegal cover-up and forced to resign. Subsequent government investigations revealed “dirty tricks” political campaigning by the Committee to Re-Elect the President, along with a White House “enemies list.” In July 1973, one of Nixon’s former staff members revealed the existence of secretly taped conversations between the president and his aides. Nixon initially refused to release the tapes, on grounds of executive privilege and national security, but a judge later ordered the president to turn them over. The White House provided some but not all of the tapes, including one from which a portion of the conversation appeared to have been erased.

In May 1974, the House Judiciary Committee began formal impeachment hearings against Nixon. On July 27 of that year, the first article of impeachment against the president was passed. Two more articles, for abuse of power and contempt of Congress, wereapproved on July 29 and 30.On August 5,Nixon complied witha U.S. Supreme Court ruling requiring thathe provide transcripts of the missing tapes, and the new evidence clearly implicated him in a cover up of the Watergate break-in. On August 8, Nixon announced his resignation, becoming the first president in U.S. history to voluntarily leave office. After departing the White House on August 9,Nixon was succeeded by Vice President Gerald Ford, who, in a controversial move, pardoned Nixon on September 8, 1974, making it impossible for the former president to be prosecuted for any crimes he might have committed while in office. Only two other presidents in U.S. history have been impeached: Andrew Johnson in 1868 and Bill Clinton in 1998.

Articles of Impeachment and a Criminal Indictment may sound the same: Basically you are being charged with doing something bad or engaging in misconduct. However, they are fundamentally different. The Articles of Impeachment are essentially the "charges" and when they are issued the person against whom they are issued is technically "impeached." (Think Slick Willie.) However, a trial then occurs in the Senate and if the "impeached" person is then convicted, he loses his office. (Again ... think Slick Willie ... he was impeached but not convicted.) It is a "political punishment" ... the impeached person doesn't get fined, or go to jail, or become a "convicted criminal." If a Criminal Indictment is issued, it normally comes from a Grand Jury, and it becomes the charging document for a criminal trial in Federal Court. A conviction could lead to fines, jail, loss of rights, etc. So, one is legislative/political ... one is judicial. One leads to the possible loss of office ... the other could lead to jail, etc.

As to a Congressional probe .... it is just a political fact finding exercise. Depending upon who / what is being investigated, what is found, the outcome could lead to impeachment proceedings, grand jury proceedings, or absolutely nothing at all.

Surely, with this much smoke over her tenure as Sec of State and Clinton Foundation pay to play, a republican congress should have no trouble finding enough for a grand jury.
Zero has got to nip this in the bud, cause he will be implicated as well.
I'd be pleasantly surprised if she's indicted. I fantasize about seeing her in an orange suit complete with handcuffs and leg restraints.
But it ain't gonna happen.
7mm

Umm...there is no Constitutional requirement for anything in regards to pardons. No indictment, no conviction, nothing. Nothing saying he can't grant a pardon for any and all crimes which may have been committed.

"he shall have Power to Grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment."

The Obama Administration is hoping that the Repubs will play nice and sweep this all under the rug.

Pardons imply guilt, even if there were none. They don't want to have to accept that kind of responsibility for their criminal actions.

Those criminal actions extend all the way to Obama, Hillary, and on down from there at many levels.

They need to foment people, keep everything off kilter, and get past the Trump inauguration. Then they will try to play the underdog card and hope for the sympathy of the American people to discourage lawmakers from pursuing investigations.

Mark my word--after the Inauguration, ALL of the Democrat talk will immediately swing to discussions of the "economy" and "helping the average American citizen." They need the smokescreen.

They need to STFU until after January 20.

The Zero could pardon Bill & Hillary and maybe a few others, but the rot goes so deep that the investigations could go on and result in a lot more indictments.

My question is this:

Who's going to pardon Obongo?

Don't think he isn't thinking about that one.

Although it has never been done, I have heard some constitutional law scholars theorize that there is nothing to stop Obongo from pardoning himself.

He can. There is nothing to stop him from doing so.

Lock her ass up!!!

Wouldn't that be a lasting footnote on The Legacy...

This ^^^^^ . Lay low. Keep their mouth shut. Keep the opposition in the dark. Don't tip their hand. After 20 Jan 2017, Game on...

Even if Trump's new team chooses to do nothing, the suspense will kill 'em...

^^^THIS^^^

If he does pardon her and Bill, that might not help Humma and the gang. Someone needs to go to jail.

If pardoned, she could still be Subpoenaed to testify about the actions of some of her fellow criminals.
If she lies, that's a new charge