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Generally agree. Why Trump won- The economy, stupid.
I was listening today to Bob Davis of WSJ and Lisa Pruitt of UC Davis on NPR. They both basically agree on why Trump won the election, and especially why the populace in the “rust belt” voted the way they did.
It wasn’t primarily about groping, email servers, gun rights, the Supreme Court and a host of other issues.
James Caravelle hung a sign at Bill Clinton’s campaign headquarters that said.
1.Change vs more of the same.
2. The economy, stupid.
3. Don’t forget health care.
Clinton won due to dissatisfaction of the recession under George H. Bush.
Obama message was hope and change on the coattails of economic downturn under George W. Bush.
Many people who voted for Obama twice this time around voted for Trump. . It was once again about wanting change, jobs and last but not least- The economy, stupid.
Well, that’s my soap box speech to carry me through the next four years.
Here's why the left misses this completely, and to be honest so too does most of the political right. It's not a single issue; not the economy, or health care, or guns, or national defense, or immigration, and certainly not misogyny, or racism, or sexism, or homophobia, or xenophobia, or any other "scary" derogatory word pundits want to throw out there. It's culture. Not a Southern culture, or Appalachia, or Midwestern, or urban, or rural; but American. At the core, it just comes right down to a vestige of American culture. For decades, those folks who finally said "enough" have been told that their culture, their way of life, and by extension that of their entire familial history, was wrong. They had been told they were wrong to want to keep those manufacturing jobs because global markets were better for them than putting food on their own table. They had been told they were wrong for wanting to defend themselves, their families, their neighborhoods, and their communities from violent criminals because those criminals were just "misunderstood" and "disenfranchised" and, well, some of us (or our children) were just going to have to be victims. They had been told that to be proud of their heritage of being American was wrong because other cultures were somehow better or more important than our own, even here in our own country. They had been told that they couldn't just be Americans any longer, that they had to be some kind of hyphenated American because that reflected diversity which was somehow better than unity. They had been told that their beliefs were to be hidden, or worse forgotten, because other beliefs that had little to no history here in the U.S. were now the ones that deserved attention and praise and understanding, not the "backward" beliefs these folks held so dear. They'd been told that because nothing was ever anyone else's fault when they got into trouble that by extension everything must be the fault of those folks who lived their whole lives trying to do what was right and stay out of trouble. They'd been told that they had to keep paying more, and more, and more for everything they needed for themselves and their families, while their hard-earned, worked-for dollars went less and less and less far, while others who did nothing at all were given more and more and more by the government because those people who didn't work were somehow "entitled" to it. Those folks all around the country had heard this for years, and they were hearing it again, louder and more shrill certainly from one side but also the same platitudes and undertones of the message from most of the other. And, they just said "enough; no more". They took a look around their community and still saw crime, and thought that wasn't right; it was wrong. Around their neighborhoods they still saw their friends and neighbors, good people, struggling and out of work, and thought that wasn't right; it was wrong. They took a look at old family pictures and saw men and women who built this country, and thought those ancestors could not have been wrong. They took a look at what they saw nationally; illegality lauded and legality derided, on so many levels that it shocked them, and they thought that wasn't right; it was wrong. They took a look at those that had served, with them perhaps or with their family, at the memorials for those that never made it home and at those still in uniform, and they didn't see any hyphens, and they thought that wasn't wrong, but it was right. They took a look at their husbands, wives, and children and thought "damn it, I'm going to do something for them" and by them, they meant all of those people they cared about; in their homes, their neighborhoods, their communities, their nation, and that had come before them. And, they did. These people stood up and said "enough". No more handouts. No more criminal behavior going unpunished. No more giving away our jobs. No more giving up our rights. No more watching our friends and neighbors struggle to take care of their families. No more being victims. No more being ashamed of being an American; being proud; being faithful. Just, no more. That's what they voted FOR, for once. It didn't matter WHO was saying what sounded like that to them; it only mattered that it was being said. Finally, those folks - those Americans - said "enough" and there was a voice out there saying it with them and to them. It's about not one thing, or another; it's about all those things, and so many more. It's about culture; it's about OUR culture, and it's about believing that OUR culture is right.
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Typical clueless leftist. If one looks at the economy on the 4th quarter before the 02 election and the one quarter following and compare it to what we have now, it is clear that once again, the media colluded with the democrats to fool the electorate. This cycle, yes the economy is a mess and yes the rust belt is much rustier, we've had terrorist attacks etc, but the main issue Trump won was as Sean says "American Culture". I'm glad the left continues to beat their tone-deaf drum. Since obama took office the democrats have lost:
900 seats nation-wide from city councils, state legislatures, governors etc.
62 Congressional seats
11 Senate
And as far as the obama 50 plus % approval rate, that's easy when you (once again) over sample democrats and women. Keep whining ace, I DO love to see you seethe.
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I am..........disturbed.
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It's the economy stupid.
The story of this election is Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, and Michigan--those are the states that put Trump in the Whitehouse and the states the MSM were NOT talking about--hence the "upset".
Those three states are traditional manufacturing, blue collar, union states.
The Reagan Democrats just became Trump Democrats.
Secondarily, the white middle class is becoing sick and tired of being called "racist, sexist, bigot" everytime they disagree with liberals. Calling those names are a political tactic called "framing the debate", rather than win/lose the debate on merits. That tactic is beginnning to backfire on liberals.
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Not being married to any particular political party sure makes it a lot easier to look at the world more objectively...
Having said that, MAGA.
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Excellent summation on both parts 4ager.
The sad things is, there are far to many folks out there that have to think to hard to try and grasp the tone of what you are so clearly articulating. Even more so, that too many will still never get it.
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Here's why the left misses this completely, and to be honest so too does most of the political right. It's not a single issue; not the economy, or health care, or guns, or national defense, or immigration, and certainly not misogyny, or racism, or sexism, or homophobia, or xenophobia, or any other "scary" derogatory word pundits want to throw out there.
It's culture. Not a Southern culture, or Appalachia, or Midwestern, or urban, or rural; but American. At the core, it just comes right down to a vestige of American culture.
For decades, those folks who finally said "enough" have been told that their culture, their way of life, and by extension that of their entire familial history, was wrong.
They had been told they were wrong to want to keep those manufacturing jobs because global markets were better for them than putting food on their own table.
They had been told they were wrong for wanting to defend themselves, their families, their neighborhoods, and their communities from violent criminals because those criminals were just "misunderstood" and "disenfranchised" and, well, some of us (or our children) were just going to have to be victims.
They had been told that to be proud of their heritage of being American was wrong because other cultures were somehow better or more important than our own, even here in our own country.
They had been told that they couldn't just be Americans any longer, that they had to be some kind of hyphenated American because that reflected diversity which was somehow better than unity.
They had been told that their beliefs were to be hidden, or worse forgotten, because other beliefs that had little to no history here in the U.S. were now the ones that deserved attention and praise and understanding, not the "backward" beliefs these folks held so dear.
They'd been told that because nothing was ever anyone else's fault when they got into trouble that by extension everything must be the fault of those folks who lived their whole lives trying to do what was right and stay out of trouble.
They'd been told that they had to keep paying more, and more, and more for everything they needed for themselves and their families, while their hard-earned, worked-for dollars went less and less and less far, while others who did nothing at all were given more and more and more by the government because those people who didn't work were somehow "entitled" to it.
Those folks all around the country had heard this for years, and they were hearing it again, louder and more shrill certainly from one side but also the same platitudes and undertones of the message from most of the other. And, they just said "enough; no more".
They took a look around their community and still saw crime, and thought that wasn't right; it was wrong.
Around their neighborhoods they still saw their friends and neighbors, good people, struggling and out of work, and thought that wasn't right; it was wrong.
They took a look at old family pictures and saw men and women who built this country, and thought those ancestors could not have been wrong.
They took a look at what they saw nationally; illegality lauded and legality derided, on so many levels that it shocked them, and they thought that wasn't right; it was wrong.
They took a look at those that had served, with them perhaps or with their family, at the memorials for those that never made it home and at those still in uniform, and they didn't see any hyphens, and they thought that wasn't wrong, but it was right.
They took a look at their husbands, wives, and children and thought "damn it, I'm going to do something for them" and by them, they meant all of those people they cared about; in their homes, their neighborhoods, their communities, their nation, and that had come before them. And, they did.
These people stood up and said "enough". No more handouts. No more criminal behavior going unpunished. No more giving away our jobs. No more giving up our rights. No more watching our friends and neighbors struggle to take care of their families. No more being victims. No more being ashamed of being an American; being proud; being faithful. Just, no more.
That's what they voted FOR, for once. It didn't matter WHO was saying what sounded like that to them; it only mattered that it was being said. Finally, those folks - those Americans - said "enough" and there was a voice out there saying it with them and to them.
It's about not one thing, or another; it's about all those things, and so many more. It's about culture; it's about OUR culture, and it's about believing that OUR culture is right.
I'm going to suggest you compile your two posts Sean and put them out there. This message is bigger than you, and I'd encourage you to overcome your modesty and PLEASE write this up as a package and GET IT OUT THERE. You are really dead on with this last piece. It could be a real encouragement to a lot of people, and would help solidify why we voted the way we did, and sadly, I think it might help some overcome their media-induced guilt for just being a proud American. I'd love to read your writing in a nationally recognized format. Get it out brother, from all of us.
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Here's why the left misses this completely, and to be honest so too does most of the political right. It's not a single issue; not the economy, or health care, or guns, or national defense, or immigration, and certainly not misogyny, or racism, or sexism, or homophobia, or xenophobia, or any other "scary" derogatory word pundits want to throw out there.
It's culture. Not a Southern culture, or Appalachia, or Midwestern, or urban, or rural; but American. At the core, it just comes right down to a vestige of American culture.
For decades, those folks who finally said "enough" have been told that their culture, their way of life, and by extension that of their entire familial history, was wrong.
They had been told they were wrong to want to keep those manufacturing jobs because global markets were better for them than putting food on their own table.
They had been told they were wrong for wanting to defend themselves, their families, their neighborhoods, and their communities from violent criminals because those criminals were just "misunderstood" and "disenfranchised" and, well, some of us (or our children) were just going to have to be victims.
They had been told that to be proud of their heritage of being American was wrong because other cultures were somehow better or more important than our own, even here in our own country.
They had been told that they couldn't just be Americans any longer, that they had to be some kind of hyphenated American because that reflected diversity which was somehow better than unity.
They had been told that their beliefs were to be hidden, or worse forgotten, because other beliefs that had little to no history here in the U.S. were now the ones that deserved attention and praise and understanding, not the "backward" beliefs these folks held so dear.
They'd been told that because nothing was ever anyone else's fault when they got into trouble that by extension everything must be the fault of those folks who lived their whole lives trying to do what was right and stay out of trouble.
They'd been told that they had to keep paying more, and more, and more for everything they needed for themselves and their families, while their hard-earned, worked-for dollars went less and less and less far, while others who did nothing at all were given more and more and more by the government because those people who didn't work were somehow "entitled" to it.
Those folks all around the country had heard this for years, and they were hearing it again, louder and more shrill certainly from one side but also the same platitudes and undertones of the message from most of the other. And, they just said "enough; no more".
They took a look around their community and still saw crime, and thought that wasn't right; it was wrong.
Around their neighborhoods they still saw their friends and neighbors, good people, struggling and out of work, and thought that wasn't right; it was wrong.
They took a look at old family pictures and saw men and women who built this country, and thought those ancestors could not have been wrong.
They took a look at what they saw nationally; illegality lauded and legality derided, on so many levels that it shocked them, and they thought that wasn't right; it was wrong.
They took a look at those that had served, with them perhaps or with their family, at the memorials for those that never made it home and at those still in uniform, and they didn't see any hyphens, and they thought that wasn't wrong, but it was right.
They took a look at their husbands, wives, and children and thought "damn it, I'm going to do something for them" and by them, they meant all of those people they cared about; in their homes, their neighborhoods, their communities, their nation, and that had come before them. And, they did.
These people stood up and said "enough". No more handouts. No more criminal behavior going unpunished. No more giving away our jobs. No more giving up our rights. No more watching our friends and neighbors struggle to take care of their families. No more being victims. No more being ashamed of being an American; being proud; being faithful. Just, no more.
That's what they voted FOR, for once. It didn't matter WHO was saying what sounded like that to them; it only mattered that it was being said. Finally, those folks - those Americans - said "enough" and there was a voice out there saying it with them and to them.
It's about not one thing, or another; it's about all those things, and so many more. It's about culture; it's about OUR culture, and it's about believing that OUR culture is right.
I'm going to suggest you compile your two posts Sean and put them out there. This message is bigger than you, and I'd encourage you to overcome your modesty and PLEASE write this up as a package and GET IT OUT THERE. You are really dead on with this last piece. It could be a real encouragement to a lot of people, and would help solidify why we voted the way we did, and sadly, I think it might help some overcome their media-induced guilt for just being a proud American. I'd love to read your writing in a nationally recognized format. Get it out brother, from all of us. Again, I'm flattered and rather humbled by those comments. I would not even know where to start on placing it, even if it was good enough or I wanted to do so.
America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.
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Here's why the left misses this completely, and to be honest so too does most of the political right. It's not a single issue; not the economy, or health care, or guns, or national defense, or immigration, and certainly not misogyny, or racism, or sexism, or homophobia, or xenophobia, or any other "scary" derogatory word pundits want to throw out there.
It's culture. Not a Southern culture, or Appalachia, or Midwestern, or urban, or rural; but American. At the core, it just comes right down to a vestige of American culture.
For decades, those folks who finally said "enough" have been told that their culture, their way of life, and by extension that of their entire familial history, was wrong.
They had been told they were wrong to want to keep those manufacturing jobs because global markets were better for them than putting food on their own table.
They had been told they were wrong for wanting to defend themselves, their families, their neighborhoods, and their communities from violent criminals because those criminals were just "misunderstood" and "disenfranchised" and, well, some of us (or our children) were just going to have to be victims.
They had been told that to be proud of their heritage of being American was wrong because other cultures were somehow better or more important than our own, even here in our own country.
They had been told that they couldn't just be Americans any longer, that they had to be some kind of hyphenated American because that reflected diversity which was somehow better than unity.
They had been told that their beliefs were to be hidden, or worse forgotten, because other beliefs that had little to no history here in the U.S. were now the ones that deserved attention and praise and understanding, not the "backward" beliefs these folks held so dear.
They'd been told that because nothing was ever anyone else's fault when they got into trouble that by extension everything must be the fault of those folks who lived their whole lives trying to do what was right and stay out of trouble.
They'd been told that they had to keep paying more, and more, and more for everything they needed for themselves and their families, while their hard-earned, worked-for dollars went less and less and less far, while others who did nothing at all were given more and more and more by the government because those people who didn't work were somehow "entitled" to it.
Those folks all around the country had heard this for years, and they were hearing it again, louder and more shrill certainly from one side but also the same platitudes and undertones of the message from most of the other. And, they just said "enough; no more".
They took a look around their community and still saw crime, and thought that wasn't right; it was wrong.
Around their neighborhoods they still saw their friends and neighbors, good people, struggling and out of work, and thought that wasn't right; it was wrong.
They took a look at old family pictures and saw men and women who built this country, and thought those ancestors could not have been wrong.
They took a look at what they saw nationally; illegality lauded and legality derided, on so many levels that it shocked them, and they thought that wasn't right; it was wrong.
They took a look at those that had served, with them perhaps or with their family, at the memorials for those that never made it home and at those still in uniform, and they didn't see any hyphens, and they thought that wasn't wrong, but it was right.
They took a look at their husbands, wives, and children and thought "damn it, I'm going to do something for them" and by them, they meant all of those people they cared about; in their homes, their neighborhoods, their communities, their nation, and that had come before them. And, they did.
These people stood up and said "enough". No more handouts. No more criminal behavior going unpunished. No more giving away our jobs. No more giving up our rights. No more watching our friends and neighbors struggle to take care of their families. No more being victims. No more being ashamed of being an American; being proud; being faithful. Just, no more.
That's what they voted FOR, for once. It didn't matter WHO was saying what sounded like that to them; it only mattered that it was being said. Finally, those folks - those Americans - said "enough" and there was a voice out there saying it with them and to them.
It's about not one thing, or another; it's about all those things, and so many more. It's about culture; it's about OUR culture, and it's about believing that OUR culture is right.
... This message is bigger than you.... I'd love to read your writing in a nationally recognized format. Get it out brother, from all of us. Get it out there. But don't fall into this trap of becoming too verbose.
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Here's why the left misses this completely, and to be honest so too does most of the political right. It's not a single issue; not the economy, or health care, or guns, or national defense, or immigration, and certainly not misogyny, or racism, or sexism, or homophobia, or xenophobia, or any other "scary" derogatory word pundits want to throw out there.
It's culture. Not a Southern culture, or Appalachia, or Midwestern, or urban, or rural; but American. At the core, it just comes right down to a vestige of American culture.
For decades, those folks who finally said "enough" have been told that their culture, their way of life, and by extension that of their entire familial history, was wrong.
They had been told they were wrong to want to keep those manufacturing jobs because global markets were better for them than putting food on their own table.
They had been told they were wrong for wanting to defend themselves, their families, their neighborhoods, and their communities from violent criminals because those criminals were just "misunderstood" and "disenfranchised" and, well, some of us (or our children) were just going to have to be victims.
They had been told that to be proud of their heritage of being American was wrong because other cultures were somehow better or more important than our own, even here in our own country.
They had been told that they couldn't just be Americans any longer, that they had to be some kind of hyphenated American because that reflected diversity which was somehow better than unity.
They had been told that their beliefs were to be hidden, or worse forgotten, because other beliefs that had little to no history here in the U.S. were now the ones that deserved attention and praise and understanding, not the "backward" beliefs these folks held so dear.
They'd been told that because nothing was ever anyone else's fault when they got into trouble that by extension everything must be the fault of those folks who lived their whole lives trying to do what was right and stay out of trouble.
They'd been told that they had to keep paying more, and more, and more for everything they needed for themselves and their families, while their hard-earned, worked-for dollars went less and less and less far, while others who did nothing at all were given more and more and more by the government because those people who didn't work were somehow "entitled" to it.
Those folks all around the country had heard this for years, and they were hearing it again, louder and more shrill certainly from one side but also the same platitudes and undertones of the message from most of the other. And, they just said "enough; no more".
They took a look around their community and still saw crime, and thought that wasn't right; it was wrong.
Around their neighborhoods they still saw their friends and neighbors, good people, struggling and out of work, and thought that wasn't right; it was wrong.
They took a look at old family pictures and saw men and women who built this country, and thought those ancestors could not have been wrong.
They took a look at what they saw nationally; illegality lauded and legality derided, on so many levels that it shocked them, and they thought that wasn't right; it was wrong.
They took a look at those that had served, with them perhaps or with their family, at the memorials for those that never made it home and at those still in uniform, and they didn't see any hyphens, and they thought that wasn't wrong, but it was right.
They took a look at their husbands, wives, and children and thought "damn it, I'm going to do something for them" and by them, they meant all of those people they cared about; in their homes, their neighborhoods, their communities, their nation, and that had come before them. And, they did.
These people stood up and said "enough". No more handouts. No more criminal behavior going unpunished. No more giving away our jobs. No more giving up our rights. No more watching our friends and neighbors struggle to take care of their families. No more being victims. No more being ashamed of being an American; being proud; being faithful. Just, no more.
That's what they voted FOR, for once. It didn't matter WHO was saying what sounded like that to them; it only mattered that it was being said. Finally, those folks - those Americans - said "enough" and there was a voice out there saying it with them and to them.
It's about not one thing, or another; it's about all those things, and so many more. It's about culture; it's about OUR culture, and it's about believing that OUR culture is right.
I'm going to suggest you compile your two posts Sean and put them out there. This message is bigger than you, and I'd encourage you to overcome your modesty and PLEASE write this up as a package and GET IT OUT THERE. You are really dead on with this last piece. It could be a real encouragement to a lot of people, and would help solidify why we voted the way we did, and sadly, I think it might help some overcome their media-induced guilt for just being a proud American. I'd love to read your writing in a nationally recognized format. Get it out brother, from all of us. Again, I'm flattered and rather humbled by those comments. I would not even know where to start on placing it, even if it was good enough or I wanted to do so. Do you listen to Laura Ingraham? Either way, you may consider checking this out. https://www.lifezette.com/
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Another good write (right?) up.
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Thank you. That's the best explanation/articulation of why Trump won I've seen.
What Fireball2 said, compile those posts and get them out there.
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Folks don't want their child to get a participation trophy and pat on the head for coming in last, they want them to learn the hard lesson and try harder next time.
They want their educators to teach up to the best and brightest. They would rather their child struggle to receive a 70% at that level than a 100% of the lowest denominator.
They wish to go to church and socialize with like minded families without the over educated liberal 'elite' living off their tax money deriding their social choices as paranoid, backwards, homophobic and uneducated.
These folks don't have time or care to protest in the street or cry on youtube... they have work to do, families to raise and life to live.
They just took an hour or so to vote the stupid away and are back to what really matters.
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I've forwarded this on... 
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we were standing on the edge of a cliff ready to get pushed off,america said hell no.
nov8 2016 ,the america grew a set of balls
great thread 4eager
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Kudos Sean...
and a Grand Slam Home Run....
"Minus the killings, Washington has one of the lowest crime rates in the Country" Marion Barry, Mayor of Wash DC
“Owning guns is not a right. If it were a right, it would be in the Constitution.” ~Alexandria Ocasio Cortez
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This has no place back on page 3
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-- “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.”- Mark Twain
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This has no place back on page 3
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Folks don't want their child to get a participation trophy and pat on the head for coming in last, they want them to learn the hard lesson and try harder next time. Kent I have a friend who is a retired Navy SEAL (a real deal SEAL, 21 years). He said the SEALs have a saying, "A second place winner is a first place loser." Same with all these "participation" trophies that a kid can put on the shelf in his "safe space." By the way 4AGER, those two commentaries are as well written and succinct as any of the many professional commentaries about Clinton's loss that I've read. Well done. L.W.
"Always go straight forward, and if you meet the devil, cut him in two and go between the pieces." (William Sturgis, clipper ship captain, 1830s.)
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Thanks for taking the time to pen this...excellent!
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