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Since I haven't seen a 308 vs 30-06 thread in awhile, I figure a good brawl at the campfire is in order for the holidays! So let's get to it! 9 out of 10 Internet geniuses say, the golden ratio for what you get back for what you put in falls on the shoulders of the 6.5mm or 7mm? (Yes, I know the .270 is between these two but please don't...) So which one offers the most for all the constraints we badger ourselves with - recoil, long range effectiveness, effectiveness on game, works great in every cartridge, gets you laid, bucks the wind, easily hits steel at 1000 yards with iron sights, etc. etc. etc.!? I am asking mostly because I've been sniffing around getting a 6.5x55 or 6.5 Creedmoor; 280 or a 7 mag of some flavor. What say ye?
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Get both and decide for yourself.
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Strictly as a caliber for BG hunting, 7mm.
For long range play,gong matches, serious NRA match shooting, general shooting fun, and some BG hunting, 6.5.
Of course there's nothing saying you can't use a 7mm for the same stuff but it's bucking a trend to the 6.5's and 6mm's from what I see.
I am new to the 6.5 thing...I have both. But I would take the 7mm all day long for NA BG hunting.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Bob,
Where do you think the 7 really shines? 280 or something bigger?
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I've used 7 RM and 6.5X55 for a number of years. For my purposes it's six of one and half-a-dozen of the other as far as effectiveness goes. I've actually killed (by a slight margin) deer at greater distance with the 6.5X55, but that's a product of circumstance.
I like shooting the 6.5X55's better, they use less powder, make less noise, are more accurate (in my experience and rifles) and are generally better behaved.
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Bob,
Where do you think the 7 really shines? 280 or something bigger?
4winds: 7mm shines everywhere from 7/08 to 28 Nosler....IMHO... If I were choosing, it would be a boring old 7mm Rem Mag or 280 Remington. If you want to be more contemporary the 280AI. Without question my favorite is the 7mm Mashburn Super but it's a wildcat so not to be recommended for everyone. The nice thing about 7mm as a caliber is we have so many choices no matter how you want to roll. I'd hunt the continent with a 280.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I agree with Bob. I've owned both a 280 and various 7 mags since the early 1980s. It's tough to beat a 140 for deer size creatures and a 160 for about anything else. I used to set up my 280 with a 145 Speer for deer and a 160 Speer for anything else. And of course shot deer with the 160. Both have enough velocity to make a mess with softer bullets. I wish I would have used Partitions in the early days. I threw away alot of shoulder meat with both guns. If my 270 didn't shoot so well, it be a 280 AI. I still may get one just because the 280 is magic. At least to me. I can't comment on the 6.5 as a out the only one I've shot much is the 6.5x55. The ole MS is deadly at its sedate vels. All the kids shot either a 243 or 6.5 for their first rifles.
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I figured so on the 280, my Mauser may just be fitted with a new barrel in a 280 after the holidays. My other thoughts for it was the 6.5x55.
I've had a cz 550fs in 6.5x55 and thought it was a fine cartridge, but the rifle wasn't all that pleasant to shoot due to the stock not fitting me. The Creedmoor fad has certainly peaked my interest as I have a 308 in a Kimber 84M Montana that I have been toying with changing to a custom tube. I'm really looking for a light rifle to scurry up and down the hills with, but with a lot less recoil to keep it pleasant to shoot.
I have other rifles for elk, so, critters below their size need only apply.
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...... I'm really looking for a light rifle to scurry up and down the hills with, but with a lot less recoil to keep it pleasant to shoot.
I have other rifles for elk, so, critters below their size need only apply. So we narrow the criteria...... I'd get a custom tube for the Montana chambered for 6.5 Creedmoor and leave the elk sized stuff to the other rifles in your battery. There would be nothing wrong with getting a custom tube in 280 for the mauser, as well.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I'd hunt the continent with a 280. I'm SO relieved.
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I'd hunt the continent with a 280. I'm SO relieved. But what bullet does one choose for a continent?
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I'd hunt the continent with a 280. I'm SO relieved. But what bullet does one choose for a continent? North Fork solid. Deep penetration is required to stop a continent.
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I'd hunt the continent with a 280. I'm SO relieved. But what bullet does one choose for a continent? North Fork solid. Deep penetration is required to stop a continent. Ok Ok you guys are funny haha! You know what i meant.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I'm with the 280 - 7mm RM crowd. Of course if you were to hunt coyotes then:
YOU WOULD JUST HAVE TOO INCLUDE THE COYOTE CARTRIDGE, THE 270.
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Since I haven't seen a 308 vs 30-06 thread in awhile, I figure a good brawl at the campfire is in order for the holidays! So let's get to it! 9 out of 10 Internet geniuses say, the golden ratio for what you get back for what you put in falls on the shoulders of the 6.5mm or 7mm? (Yes, I know the .270 is between these two but please don't...) So which one offers the most for all the constraints we badger ourselves with - recoil, long range effectiveness, effectiveness on game, works great in every cartridge, gets you laid, bucks the wind, easily hits steel at 1000 yards with iron sights, etc. etc. etc.!? I am asking mostly because I've been sniffing around getting a 6.5x55 or 6.5 Creedmoor; 280 or a 7 mag of some flavor. What say ye? I'm a 260 Remington guy, but I'd pick the 6.5 Creedmore today.
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What size game are you hunting?
If you're looking at the most performance for the least recoil on paper and steel, I'd say neither and suggest a 6mm Dasher. For game, unless you're looking at elk, moose and large bears, I'd still say stick with the six.
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6.5, with the Creed filling your criteria....
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These days I own and hunt with twice as many 6.5mm rifles as 7mm's. They're both great calibers, but I would hesitate to hunt Montana with any of my 6.5's.
Yeah, I know Montana's not as big as "the continent," but that's part of why I'd go 6.5--their well-known precision would make it easier hit the smaller vital zone of Montana. No doubt a 7mm would do okay on something as large as North America.
“Montana seems to me to be what a small boy would think Texas is like from hearing Texans.” John Steinbeck
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Never ceases to amaze...... all the love for a cartridge loaded to 60,000psi to accomplish what has been done by another cartridge at 51,000psi for over 100 yrs.???
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