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When did this pop Up? See brass and factory ammo, but where are the rifles and other info?
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Lots of custom rifle builders chamber it. People wanting a little more velocity ( than the 6.5 ) to go along with high ballistic coefficient bullets. Typical rifle loonies. Neck it down and throw some more powder behind it.........
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Sounds like the .243 reinvented.... ?
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6.5/.284 is the way to go. lol
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duplicates the 243 with a bit less powder and probably better throat life and less trimming......and works better in short actions and semi autos with the long match bullets
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All things equal 243 will still outrun the 6 creed when both are being pushed. Especially with heavier bullets. Only real advantage I see is OAL and mag restraints. Gotta resize and trim anyway. Brass is readily available for a 243 and lapua makes brass for it too. Creedmore is hornady's fancy abbreviation for "-250". I have not owned a 6 creed, but have been looking at it pretty hard over the past year. Decided to stay wih my 243 vanilla and 6br lapua as no major benefit over what I already have. Just my opinion. I guess for a competition shooter the benefit could add up, but it doesn't reinvent the wheel
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It does reinvent the wheel..... For retarded rifle manufacturers to offer a 6mm with the correct twist rate.
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Ok. I will give you that one. I wasn't thinking much about factory rifles with my comment. Although a 9.25 twist isn't all that terrible for a factory 243. It's just that 8 twist is that much better. My model 7 243 shoots 95nbt, and 95vld into nice groups. I have yet to try the 105 vld in it though due to twist. My 6br is a 8 twist, and 105 vld and Amax go into extremely tiny groups with it. 1/2 moa to 500 yards is norm for it. My 7 will soon have a #2 hart in a 8 twist but I will probably continue to shoot 95nbt as it performs so dang well on everything I shoot with it. I have a thing for 6mm's I guess
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Ruger will likely have something in 6mm Creed in 2017. They seem to share the same bed with Hornady when it comes to dreaming up new calibers and rifle to chamber them in. If I were to bet, I'd say a Ruger American rifle in 6mm Creed will be popping up soon.
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OK educate me. What was Rem 243 twist in my early 70's rifle , and what "should" it have been? I'm thinking a 6mm should easily shoot sub MOA? Mine shoots 1.5- 1.75 MOA free-floated, with factory ammo, also with the several hand loads I tried several years ago. Didn't shoot any better wearing the unmodified factory stock, tho it wears a home-whittle now. I recently tried some fore-end tip pressure (folded grocery receipt, and found it WILL shoot certain factory loads sub MOA. Or it did that session. Fed 80 gr, & Hornady Whitetail 100 gr. And one it won't. Rem 95 gr Accutip., which didn't shoot any better with the bore cleaned, everything else left unchanged. Now I just have to get it bedded with the right pressure....and choose the right ammo... Be it noted that over the 40 years I've owned it, the rifle has killed everything I attempted with it - moose, bear, sheep, caribou - with those crappy groupings. But still.....
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I have no clue the twist in your rifle. Remington will though!! You could also use the cleaning rod trick to check it yourself. Twist is also based upon need. For big game and other things requiring heavier bullets 8-9 twist is what you need. For varmint a 10 works well. I shoot deer and targets. So 8 is my preference
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For big game and other things requiring heavier bullets 8-9 twist is what you need. For varmint a 10 works well. What absolute horse shyt ! There are tons of good deer weight bullets that'll shoot just fine out of the standard factory 10 twist .243. My 10 twist Tikka shoots sub MOA with 100 gr. Hornady interlock, 95 gr SST's, 100 gr Sierra pro hunter, 100 gr core lokt's, 100 gr Federal power shoks {factory} and 85 gr Sierra BTHP Gamekings. Geezus most of us don't give a rats azz about shooting high BC target bullets at flies in outer space and are fine with doing a little bit of hunting before we pull the trigger.
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Sounds like the .243 reinvented.... ? Shhhhhhhhhhhh.....
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I'm really hoping they bring this to market.
8 twist or tighter good brass
And hopefully, Kimber puts it in their Hunter. I'd buy that in a heartbeat.
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For big game and other things requiring heavier bullets 8-9 twist is what you need. For varmint a 10 works well. What absolute horse shyt ! There are tons of good deer weight bullets that'll shoot just fine out of the standard factory 10 twist .243. My 10 twist Tikka shoots sub MOA with 100 gr. Hornady interlock, 95 gr SST's, 100 gr Sierra pro hunter, 100 gr core lokt's, 100 gr Federal power shoks {factory} and 85 gr Sierra BTHP Gamekings. Geezus most of us don't give a rats azz about shooting high BC target bullets at flies in outer space and are fine with doing a little bit of hunting before we pull the trigger. Calm down a little killer. Nobody said it was mandatory. Not sure why your up in arms. First off my 243 is a model 7 9.25 twist. Not exactly shooting it to outer space at flies with high bc bullets. How about deer at under 200 with a 95nbt. Hate to burst your little bubble but a 8 or 9 twist does everything the 10 twist does and even more. Few concessions need made. I am sure that many of the 10 twist do just fine, I simply posed the mere fact that 8-9 twist barrels leave more options for big game and target shooting. Which seems to be what is discussed most on this forum isn't it? So GFY
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Ruger will likely have something in 6mm Creed in 2017. They seem to share the same bed with Hornady when it comes to dreaming up new calibers and rifle to chamber them in. If I were to bet, I'd say a Ruger American rifle in 6mm Creed will be popping up soon. Maybe they will make one in the Predator. I would love to have one to match my 6.5. If nothing else but to play with since I have a crap load of 6mm bullets. If I go to throw a rifle in my truck it's hard not to reach for my RAP it shoots nearly as good as my custom and the 1.5# Timney completes the package.
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For big game and other things requiring heavier bullets 8-9 twist is what you need. For varmint a 10 works well. What absolute horse shyt ! There are tons of good deer weight bullets that'll shoot just fine out of the standard factory 10 twist .243. My 10 twist Tikka shoots sub MOA with 100 gr. Hornady interlock, 95 gr SST's, 100 gr Sierra pro hunter, 100 gr core lokt's, 100 gr Federal power shoks {factory} and 85 gr Sierra BTHP Gamekings. Geezus most of us don't give a rats azz about shooting high BC target bullets at flies in outer space and are fine with doing a little bit of hunting before we pull the trigger. Calm down a little killer. Nobody said it was mandatory. Not sure why your up in arms. First off my 243 is a model 7 9.25 twist. Not exactly shooting it to outer space at flies with high bc bullets. How about deer at under 200 with a 95nbt. Hate to burst your little bubble but a 8 or 9 twist does everything the 10 twist does and even more. Few concessions need made. I am sure that many of the 10 twist do just fine, I simply posed the mere fact that 8-9 twist barrels leave more options for big game and target shooting. Which seems to be what is discussed most on this forum isn't it? So GFY 10 twist will shoot 95 nbt's just fine too you ignorant little prick.
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I'm sure it does, and no where did I say that it didn't. You came into this conversation all to hell from the word go. I on the other hand did not and would have loved a friendly discussion with you about it. Insted of maybe being a little friendly and making your statement you went on a rant attacking me with your comment. No where did I say anything about long range hunting, but you inferred that I did. So not quite sure why your being such a dick
On the other hand the 6 creedmore is a long range hunting/competition round by design first and foremost. That's the only place it has any advantage over the 243 isn't it??
Why would I want a 10 twist over a 8 or 9 twist? What advantage would there be? Why don't you attempt to answer that one. Good luck
That's why the twist for the 243 "should" be 8-9 cause the above question doesn't have a logical answer (other than for spinning light bullets faster for say varmint maybe?!?)
Have you ever heard of the 244 Remington? if not maybe you should educate yourself on it and you will understand this discussion a little better. It died because of being spun to slow in factory chambers. They renamed it the 6mm Remington and spun it 9 twist to stabilize heavier bullets. Not my fault tikka spun your barrel to slow.
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Ruger will likely have something in 6mm Creed in 2017. They seem to share the same bed with Hornady when it comes to dreaming up new calibers and rifle to chamber them in. If I were to bet, I'd say a Ruger American rifle in 6mm Creed will be popping up soon. Maybe they will make one in the Predator. I would love to have one to match my 6.5. If nothing else but to play with since I have a crap load of 6mm bullets. If I go to throw a rifle in my truck it's hard not to reach for my RAP it shoots nearly as good as my custom and the 1.5# Timney completes the package. I'd likely have to buy a 6mm Creed RAR Predator if they turned one out with a 1-8" twist.
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