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LOL, having owned a Colt 9mm carbine and an identical one in 223, it didn't take much shooting to know which one was a cool range toy and which one I'd stake my life on.
That said, I did search the house one night with a 9mm pistol and that's what I carry everyday, it ain't gonna bounce off. I just don't believe the benefits of the 223 carbine can be beat, if you're grabbing a carbine...
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Pistol chambered carbines do hold an advantage when kept subsonic and used with a suppressor.
But that's a pretty tight niche even by loony standards.
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One more time, I"m just curious, all raise their hands that have ear muffs by the bed and intend to use them in the heat of the moment? Not me, I have a suppressor by the bed. At that point (just talking about sound level here), caliber doesn't really matter. Personally, if I'm going to use a 9mm on someone in my house, it'll be a pistol, for maneuverability around corners. If I'm going to use a long gun, it'll be a rifle caliber; I want all the advantages I can get.
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LOL, having owned a Colt 9mm carbine and an identical one in 223, it didn't take much shooting to know which one was a cool range toy and which one I'd stake my life on.
That said, I did search the house one night with a 9mm pistol and that's what I carry everyday, it ain't gonna bounce off. I just don't believe the benefits of the 223 carbine can be beat, if you're grabbing a carbine... And there is never a doubt that 223 trumps 9mm no matter the case.
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I'm thinking this is good for at least another 3 pages.
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I view the .223 like a criminal proceeding. The prosecution has to prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it's not perfection.
Good luck.
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Oh it has to be AI'd to meet perfection but it is close.
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One more time, I"m just curious, all raise their hands that have ear muffs by the bed and intend to use them in the heat of the moment? That's kind of a personal question Jeff.
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Ear muffs.... damn didn't type slow enough. LOL
I try to keep the muff here in the bed and not by it. LOL
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My thinking was full-pervert; that earphones were kept handy for "in the heat of the moment" hearing protection..............to which I'd say your technique is strong. Anyway, back your regularly scheduled programming..........
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What made you a huge fan?
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Versatility. If you aren't running suppressed you won't see as much gain. The ability to have reliable function with subsonic ammo through a can gives you another tool that you just don't have with the 556. At first there were no good options for projectiles, but now we have Barnes black tips and Lehigh MEs. The round was engineered with short barrels and cans in mind. I still rely on the 556 for many roles (love the 70 TSX) but like not having to dick with blackouts to make them function suppressed and short.
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One more time, I"m just curious, all raise their hands that have ear muffs by the bed and intend to use them in the heat of the moment? If it's a life and death situation, I don't care as much about some hearing loss. But, if I have something that's small enough to be maneuverable, long enough to be accurate and steady, and suppressed enough to not go death, it's worth considering imo. Of course, no one knows what the bad guy is shooting which can kill your hearing so this may be moot. But all other things being equal, I'd rather have no hearing protection on so I can tactically hear the other guy moving around up until I hopefully shoot first and it doesn't matter what he has in his hands.
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yes, I think some folks overthink some safety type things when it comes to life and death.
I know I can't have a suppressed gun to kill a charging brown bear most likley... and I won't have time to put muffs on either...
Same goes for human life and death.
I much prefer to experience neither. Bear or human issues.
But I've no issue with using a suppressor in the house, I'm good with that, but as noted, do I put out a sign that perps have to have cans too?
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Heck we took care of our ears with custom molded plugs for years of shooting service rifle and my hearing was still damaged by that WITH protection...
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having fired a supersonic BO "outdoors" a few times and fired a 5.56 in similar situations its my impression the BO report is not as loud or painful. I have a set of pro ears gold on my dresser, not sure if I would grab them in an emergency but they are sitting there, as I am quite familiar with the 5.56 report out of doors. About 5 years ago I had to stop shooting feral shoats because it was painful to shoot again and I had 10 more 75 scirroco's left in the magazine and a bunch more piglets in front of me.
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pull 2 rounds out of the gun and put one backwards in each ear and keep shooting RE the pigs....
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do I put out a sign that perps have to have cans too? Hopefully, you hear them and kill them before they make too much noise.
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Am I the only one that has electric ear pro stored with my rifle? I pick it up, charge it and then slip the ears on.
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What made you a huge fan?
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Versatility. If you aren't running suppressed you won't see as much gain. The ability to have reliable function with subsonic ammo through a can gives you another tool that you just don't have with the 556. At first there were no good options for projectiles, but now we have Barnes black tips and Lehigh MEs. The round was engineered with short barrels and cans in mind. I still rely on the 556 for many roles (love the 70 TSX) but like not having to dick with blackouts to make them function suppressed and short. Thank you. Travis
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