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I'm looking to order a new Cooper rifle. I already have custom 300WSM that I love so this would be something a little smaller with less recoil. I have been considering the 25-06 and 257 Weatherby but also on the other end of the spectrum a 6.5 Creedmoor might be fun too. I will be shooting factory ammo so I understand that the Weatherby ammo cost a fortune but I will only be shooting 100 rounds a year or so. I also understand that the barrel life on the 257Roy is extremely low but if I'm shooting the heavier bullets with factory ammo and letting the barrel cool between shots, isn't that less of a concern? Not to mention I won't be shooting it that often and Cooper replaces barrels for cheap if you shoot it out. I really like the idea of the 6.5 Creed but I just wonder if it will have enough juice for me to reach for it over the 300WSM if I know my shots could be 400-500yds. Other calibers in consideration might be the old 270 or maybe a 7mm-08. Any suggestions?
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6.5 or 7mm-08, only for the bullets they sling.
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It seems that the industry is trying hard to find something new and as they attempt this feat, there seems to be a following that accepts little or no real improvement. If you really want to find nothing new that still performs as well as anything new, a 270 Winchester with 130 grain BT bullets will work fantastic and you won't have any problem finding ammunition anywhere you go, should you need factory ammo.
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You are going to get lots of suggestions of what to do but the bottom line is any cartridge that will throw a 100-150 gr bullet at about 3000fps or more will work for your needs.
If you are not a handloader, availability of a variety factory rounds would be a major consideration.
I am continually astounded at how quickly people make up their minds on little evidence or none at all.
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I practice regularly out to 600 yards with my 7mm-08. Low recoil, plenty of zing. I killed a decent mulie this year at 541 yards, one shot through the lungs. The bullet destroyed the off side shoulder knuckle on the way out, DRT.
That would be my vote.
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25-06 was the first that came to my mind when you mentioned antelope. But that thought may spring from reading Bob Milek in years past. There seems to be enough factory choices; 28 are listed on MidwayUSA.
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2shot,
Unless you decide to hand-load for the others, the 270 IMO would provide the best option. Available ammo anywhere you might travel, plenty of horsepower, lots of bullet choices, very manageable recoil, wide range of ammo prices, bullets, good BC and SD choices, will handle most game on any continent make it hard to beat in that mid-range of caliber choices. If you were to roll your own ammo I'd opt for the 7-08 as there are a zillion bullets in 284 to evolve into a serious rifle looney but most pre-made is rather limited but it's always what YOU want since it's your money for that Cooper When one of my 270's is not my primary weapon it's usually my backup of choice. I see that Midway offers 2X to 4X the ammo choices in 270 over the others mentioned. I would guess retail shops would be even more tilted to the 270.
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What Poobs said. 7mm/08 if the OP typed caliber and meant cartridge.
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I'm looking to order a new Cooper rifle. I already have custom 300WSM that I love so this would be something a little smaller with less recoil. I have been considering the 25-06 and 257 Weatherby but also on the other end of the spectrum a 6.5 Creedmoor might be fun too. I will be shooting factory ammo so I understand that the Weatherby ammo cost a fortune but I will only be shooting 100 rounds a year or so. I also understand that the barrel life on the 257Roy is extremely low but if I'm shooting the heavier bullets with factory ammo and letting the barrel cool between shots, isn't that less of a concern? Not to mention I won't be shooting it that often and Cooper replaces barrels for cheap if you shoot it out. I really like the idea of the 6.5 Creed but I just wonder if it will have enough juice for me to reach for it over the 300WSM if I know my shots could be 400-500yds. Other calibers in consideration might be the old 270 or maybe a 7mm-08. Any suggestions? .........After reading the details in your post and looking over the Cooper site, imo you should really consider one of the 26 Nosler chamberings offered by Cooper. In the 6.5mm world, its ballistic performance runs 2nd place behind the 6.5/300 Wby and should leave no doubt in your mind about reaching way out there just like with your 300 WSM if not more so. The Creed is very capable for what you want to do. But since you are going to spend that kind of $$$ for a Cooper anyway, why not go for the extra oooomph and get the 26 Nosler. Recoil should be less than your 300 WSM.
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270.
I've killed a lot of antelope and deer with the 270 out 400 yards.( I seem to have trouble finding one any further that I want to shoot).
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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For pronghorn a 24 caliber in maybe a 240 Weatherby.
For deer I'd step up to at least a 25. It's an excuse to purchase two rifles.
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It seems that those hunter/shooters favoring the 25-06 is now becoming a smaller group of devotees. The only negative that can be said of the 25-06 is there are no new "Designer" bullets being made in .257 caliber likely not....not surprising the caliber has lasted this long since Remington standardizing the 25-06 in 1969. LOL.. Hornady will not likely offer an "ELD" bullet in .257 as the 1/10 twist cannot stabilize the required length needed for distances past 500-600 yards.
The bullets and ammo presently available have kept the 25-06 going for 47 years and will continue to do so.
Flat shooting, ample killing power for deer sized game and importantly soft an the shoulder...what's not to like.
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Don't you know the 6.5 Creedmoor is the answer to all hunting questions?  As the saying goes, "the world is full of good deer cartridges." Any you mention will work to 500+ yards. Tough to beat the old 270...
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Speaking of the 270, What about the .277 ABLR 150gr? That could qualify under the "have my cake and eat it too" clause?
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Timmy!
I almost tried those in my 270 MT but read some reports that they are pretty soft and messy.
Stuck with the regular 140's.
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Timmy!
I almost tried those in my 270 MT but read some reports that they are pretty soft and messy.
Stuck with the regular 140's.
Howdy Sam!! Interesting. I did notice that Nosler shows the min expansion velocity for the LR as 1300 fps? That would imply that they are indeed softer than the AB?
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If you really want to drop down in recoil, and still be deer and antelope capable to 500 yds, try a .243.
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Tim, I tried the 7mm version in a 7-08, the tips were so soft they deformed in seating.
Forget it...
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If you really want to drop down in recoil, and still be deer and antelope capable to 500 yds, try a .243. Or if you want to exude class and panache, the 257 Roberts.
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