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Dr. Howell, obviously I've offended you with my question, which I thought was a very fair and reasonable one. Since that is the case, I offer my apologies.

I'm not any sort of pillar of the gun industry -- just a guy who like guns and loves to hunt -- like 'most everyone else around here. Whatever I've been able to do in life I've earned the old-fashioned way, again, like 'most everyone else around here.

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Now, THAT is the behaviour of a REAL man and a gentleman to boot!

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... obviously I've offended you with my question, which I thought was a very fair and reasonable one.
Your question wasn't offensive, just nonsensical. Your repeated insistence that I must answer you as you expected was mildly offensive. Your implication that I'm a liar with lots to hide is beyond mildly offensive. So exactly what are you apologizing for?


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Happened to notice today at a magazine stand, that "Guns" magazine is headlining that Mike Venturino is now writing for them. If Mike has ever written an article on a subject I am interested in reading, I must have forgotten. I didn't buy that issue.


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Nothing at all against Mike but I just don't have much interest in the stuff he writes about. Really liked Seyfried's stuff much better but that says nothing at all about the character of either writer. As far as I know both are fine gentlemen.

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Venturino signed on with Rifle/Handloader and Guns/American Handgunner at the same time.

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As to Mike V... I sometimes enjoy his writings, but not enough to buy a magazine based on what he writes, nor to buy a magazine just because he's in it.
Don't care much for Barsness either, but a few were tolerable.
I skip the shotgun/water fowl aticicals, the truck articals, and most of the varmint articals - these do not interest me.
I enjoy Seyfried very much. His articals interest me. As does Shoemaker. Aagarrd was a favorite, too. I can easily buy magazines simply because these folks are in there. ~~~Suluuq

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BTW "why" isn't Seyfried writing for Wolfe? ~~~Suluuq

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Sulu we don't know for sure. He was "let go" details unavailable. Some here tried to get Mule Deer (John Barsness) to tell the bloody tale but that was a no go.

I guess there are some things us mortals are not meant to know no matter how curious we are. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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FVA - He's been called worse by better men than you, and they were all the more right...

Regards, sse

P.S. He's also been called better, by worse men than you. They, on the other hand, were wrong.


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LMAO sse, There were alot of comebacks that came to mind but I didn't want to get in a one upsmanship pissing match.
By the way. The Wife made quite a ham dinner with all the fixins the other day. Couldn't help but think of you.


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This may not be what you're looking for Allen, but since I write about guns on the internet, I'm sort of a "Gun Writer".

My shooting career began near Frostproof, Fl. in 1952 or so. My brother had been given a 98 Mauser(war trophy and disabled) so he gave me the pellet gun to lug around while he carried the Mauser on our squirrel hunts. I don't recall that we ever got any, but it wasn't for lack of trying or enthusiasm.

A few years later he graduated to an H&R Topper in .410 and began to hunt Dove and Quail with my father. He could no longer be bothered to hunt with empty rifles or pellet guns, I was too young to set out unsupervised, so my shooting career foundered until 1963 in Oklahoma when he managed to purchase his Rem. 870 in 20 Ga., and mom started hunting with the .410. I was taken on occasional hunts for birds and upland game as well, and thus began my love/hate relation with the .410. Also, I managed to purchase a Benjamin 312 in .22 cal, and so began my love affair with the stalk after having read a Gun Writer's article about hunting with a...Benjamin 312, just like mine!

Another move to Guam, where I purchased a Win. Model 50 in 12 Ga from the money I made with a paper route, and from spearfishing. Yes, there is/was hunting on the island, doves, hogs, deer, and feral goats. Tough work, but rewarding! My best adventure was the monitor lizard I intentionally "grazed" one day with a thought of having it mounted. It came back to life after I got home, and though I held it by the tail as this occurred, it still managed to completely filet my chest and shirt before finally meeting it's end. There was a good lesson learned that day. Always carry enough gun, and don't pull your punches!

Upon returning to the US I had the pleasure of hunting wild quail throughout central FL, with family and friends, and even alone on odd occasion. It was perhaps the period I hold dearest in my historical perspective as relates to hunting.

Next thing I knew I had been recruited by Uncle Sam to hunt VC/NVA. I pursued this with a bent for survival first and foremost, used a broad array of weapons from the Win. Mod 12 to the mini-gun, and a wad of things inbetween that dated back to WWII. My favorite source of humor was the M3, but that is another tale. It was a rather exciting time, often terrifying, and it left lasting impressions. In the context of hunting animals, my most memorable observation was the bagging of an elephant with a single shot from an M-16 to the brain. Another was the harvest of a water buff with a .45 ACP, again, one shot. From this experience I learned that you never know until you try.

Time passed and as access to wild quail and small game became restricted in the Windy State, I began to hunt deer and other larger game. I have found success with a wide array of rifles and shotguns, and as time has passed have come to the conclusion that most anything will work within its limitations, and mine.

A couple of years back on another forum, a fellow took the occasion to kick me in the teeth without good reason in regards to the queston of 'wind drift'. Stinging from that a bit I launched into a study of the three divisions of ballistic science, firstly by reading the likes of Vaughn, McCoy, and a few other learned gents as they spoke of the science of external ballistics. Then came the muddy waters of Internal and Terminal Ballistics. So I guess I'm up to about the 3rd grade with that, just far enough to realize that 99% of the shooting public knows less than I. And I know less than ALL of those fellows. I am petty enough that I drifted back to that sight and delivered a well deserved kick in the seat of that fellow's pants, unfortunately the delivery was too subtle for the rank and file I believe. One even thought I was "dizzy". <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />My target understood I think, he never did respond to the post. Maybe next time he will be less arrogant, and more thoughtful. It is possible for some truths to be published on the Internet IMO.

I have hunted in Laos, Cambodia, North and South Viet Nam, the Bahamas, Guam and the US. That includes Florida, Georgia, Alabama, Oklahoma, and Kansas. I did bag a ground squirrel with a 2000 Impala about 100 miles northwest of Great Falls, MT, but don't think that's important. I've pretty much lost track of the deer and hogs I've killed, the small game and upland birds, well, it's a wad and that's a fact. I shoot clays a fair bit and really like SxS guns, rifle or shotgun, or both. I like pumps, leverguns, single shots, black and smokeless. Don't have a lot of use for handguns though, got tired of that a long while back.

I have been writing on the 'net for several years, and find that if you read a fella's posts for awhile you can pretty much see his/her character. You can learn things here, and you can swallow something HL&S if you're not objective and thoughtful. It goes with the territory, reading skills need a lot of excercise to be useful. I have even published tales unrelated to hunting! Would you be interested in hearing about my first colonoscopy? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

Well, that about sums it up. Yeah, I left out some fine details, and a whole lot of philosophy! There are a lot of truisms out there, and I've seen enough crazy stuff in this arena to know better than to question what somebody says without good reason. Sometimes writing skills don't match thinking skills and things are tough to translate. Doesn't mean they are false or quetionable, just that a few questions have to be asked to get to the bottom of it. You know, like, "What's a good deer rifle?"

There's my particulars, and that's my take on cyberspace. And real space. Yep, the world according to Dan...


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Gun writers. Yep that is what i call 'em. God bless 'em all. We are so lucky to have 'em. If the gun scribe is writing about something which catches my eye I then read it. No matter what his or her name is. I like 'em all.

Seeing as to the fact this Mike Venturino is from West Virginia , welllllllllllllllll i read his writings, when they catch my eye. Hell, I liked Charley Askins very much, liked his style.

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allenday, answer Ken's question, 'what are you apologizing for?". Been waiting to hear your answer,or have you left us?


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I think he's left us, Bart � hasn't posted anything on any thread since his "apology" here.


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I Googled Mike Venturino and found this page. I side with what Allen Day had posted.

Ken, AD (a very good man) passed away a number of years ago. I have no doubt he would have responded to you if he had wanted to. Obviously you will have to agree to disagree.




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Originally Posted by BrotherBart
allenday, answer Ken's question, 'what are you apologizing for?". Been waiting to hear your answer,or have you left us?
Again, leave AD alone, God rest his soul.


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Originally Posted by brooksrange
I Googled Mike Venturino and found this page. I side with what Allen Day had posted.

Ken, AD (a very good man) passed away a number of years ago. I have no doubt he would have responded to you if he had wanted to. Obviously you will have to agree to disagree.




Ugh, Ken is likely with Allen.


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Nothing like digging up a 12 year old thread.......


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Why someone would dig up an ancient post, and interject themselves to take sides against one of the parties to a private dispute from over 12 years ago, is beyond me. The fact that one or both of the disputing parties have passed to the Happy Hunting Ground, suggests why this may not be a good idea.

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