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I am thinking the chamber reamer used was on the last leg of its life when this shotgun was chambered . I would send it off to a gunsmith to have the chamber polished and while at it polish the forcing cone.

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Why should the OP have to pay to have that done on a new shotgun?


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Originally Posted by battue
Why should the OP have to pay to have that done on a new shotgun?


He has 3 options

a> Return it to Remington with no guarantee it will be significantly better

b. Buy a 30 year old wingmaster

c. Have a gunsmith repair what Remington should have done correctly in the first place.


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D: It's new and doesn't work. Return to the place he bought it from and get something else.


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Originally Posted by battue
D: It's new and doesn't work. Return to the place he bought it from and get something else.


Yea he can do that as well. My newest 870 is 10 years old and it is rough as a cob but have not had a sticky shell issue with it .

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Any new 870 should have the stock and fore end removed. Remove the bolt from the stock. Spray it out with carb cleaner. When dry spray some Eezox inside the receiver and inside the fore end tube. Wipe it down while wet with Eezox and reassemble.

If it won't run 1000 rounds without issue after that get rid of it. I am with Battue on this one. I have dropped an 870 overboard into loon [bleep] and all it took to keep going was to jack the shells out of it and then work the action in water a few times.

I walked into an 870 marine magnum that had so much plastic in the barrel that it took a whole can of carb cleaner spray and a brush chucked up in a drill, yet it still worked just fine.

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I bought my son an 870 for his first shotgun. He never used it much but he told me it was a little hard to work so we took it all apart.cleaned everything out of and off of the moving parts. oiled them and put it all back together. It was slick as could be. The thick cosmoline like grease was pretty stiff and needed to be cleaned out.

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Originally Posted by MILES58
Any new 870 should have the stock and fore end removed. Remove the bolt from the stock. Spray it out with carb cleaner. When dry spray some Eezox inside the receiver and inside the fore end tube. Wipe it down while wet with Eezox and reassemble.

If it won't run 1000 rounds without issue after that get rid of it. I am with Battue on this one. I have dropped an 870 overboard into loon [bleep] and all it took to keep going was to jack the shells out of it and then work the action in water a few times.

I walked into an 870 marine magnum that had so much plastic in the barrel that it took a whole can of carb cleaner spray and a brush chucked up in a drill, yet it still worked just fine.


DId all that just recently on my 10 year old 870 still rough as a cob.

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Just for clarity, y'all talking Wingmasters or Express Models? Technically you can call an Express an 870 but it's a far cry from the Wingmaster imho. Sorta tarnishes the good name the Wingmaster built over many years of reliable service. I sure hope Remington hasn't mucked up the QC so bad as to ruin the Wingmaster.


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Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter
Originally Posted by MILES58

If it won't run 1000 rounds without issue after that get rid of it. I am with Battue on this one.


DId all that just recently on my 10 year old 870 still rough as a cob.


The quoted two sentences above apply.

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Given good shells, the new autoloaders with their gas systems and bleed offs will most often shoot 1000 plus without a malfunction, and then do it again.

To think a well made pump should or would be any less reliable is unreasonable. Of course many think operating a pump takes some sort of black magic.

If this one had been made right, it wouldn't be close if you compared the two for malfunctions that were not caused by the user.

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The Express are known for needing to have the chamber polished from the get go. Just check out a youtube video.

Most likely that will fix the problem.

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Originally Posted by battue
This is both sad and humorous that Remington can no longer make an 870 that works and keeps doing so with little more than a wipe down. They used to and they are out there to be easily found.

50 rounds and it is sticking and it isn't because of lubricant on the shell. Nor the barrel getting hot from 50 rounds.

Have an old Wingmaster that I can't wouldn't know how many rounds have gone down the barrel. Beat up trap gun when I bought it, used it myself for trap for a few years and also used it in the field and for sporting clays. I've got at least 10,000 rounds out of it and who knows how many from the previous owners.


The barrel hasn't had an inside wipe in years. Feed it and it works.

The only thing it doesn't like all that well is some of the new Spanish shell offerings. Especially those made with steel instead of brass in that the steel doesn't spring back enough in the chamber to allow easy ejection. Feed it Remington, Winchester or Federal cases and it just keep running smooth.

Best suggestion, trade it in on and old 870 Wingmaster and enjoy trouble free shooting with minimal maintenance.




Made a little correction there buddy.. I love my '79 left hand wingmaster...


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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Originally Posted by nighthawk
First, I didn't say it was the lube on the shell thing. Don't believe it is though I've seen something like that instructing 4-H trap with heavily used club guns.

I have seen various model pumps including 870's exhibit the symptoms the OP describes, gradually increasing difficulty opening the action after firing until the kid couldn't do it anymore and the coach had difficulty. If you consider the surface area of the hull being held in contact with a sticky chamber it doesn't take much. In all instances a THOROUGH cleaning of the chamber up to the spinning steel wool trick fixed it. Occasionally it was surface rust and a true polish fixed it. It's a place to start, quick and easy.

IMHO all new firearms should be field stripped and cleaned before use as a matter of course. You don't know what the manufacturer used as a preservative. It may not lubricate well, it may thicken in the cold, it may have oxidized sticky sitting on the dealer's shelf a long time. You just don't know.

(Yes, I'm having a particularly crabby day.)


You are making some good points. I know batue realizes that too. There are ways to make these express models really sing. I've done a few of them myself. Polishing the chamber and lengthening the forcing cone will get you a long way with how it operates. I also agree with battue, you won't have to do this with an older wingmaster, unless you are shooting trap competitively like I know he has. Like I said, mine is a '79 and it was built right from the factory. However, it's a sleeper because I made it that way whistle . You don't get in between 2 guys sporting Perazzi's in an Annie line and expect to win money, unless you have some tricks up your sleeve. Trust me on this one.... wink


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I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
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The shotgun in mention is a brand new 870 Tactical-extended magazine 7 shot.

I was shooting W-W shells.

IF it won't function after my cleaning, I'll try the steel wool on a drill trick.

IF that doesn't work, it's off to a gunsmith.

I don't want to replace this gun.

I also had a "spacer tube" built for it, for the long magazine, so I could use a standard barrel, and bought a 28" vent rib barrel.

Haven't tried it yet with the longer barrel. That's in my next "test run"


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Since some are suggesting it could be a problem with the chamber, try swapping out the barrel and see if the problem goes away. That will at least narrow it down.

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bsa,

Oh I'm not disagreeing with battue, I like the older models better too. Seems like manufacturers are chasing the price point on the lower end of their line and there goes fit and finish. Faster it goes from CNC to out the door the better. Had a chance to work on an old model 12 some time ago, something minor for someone, don't remember what. Now that was just plain fun given that it was designed for hand fitting and made with quality.


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The 870 design is so simple, that if it's not ejecting, I'd look at ether a very rough chamber or (and) cheap promo shells with steel heads rather than brass.

I strip down any new or new to me gun for a clean and lube before firing a shot. It's also a good time to inspect parts.

I much prefer Wingmasters, either old or new, to the Express line. Along with a smoother action, Wingmasters don't rust at the drop of a hat. The Express "gravel blast" finish goes out of its way to rust while sitting in a row of other guns that don't.


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One more thing to try, just to eliminate an unknown; try dry-firing the gun. Make sure the slide release isn't partly hanging up with factory gunk after the shot, and keeping the bolt locked. I've never experienced that, but in a system as dirt simple as an 870, there are only so many things that could go wrong.


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I much prefer Wingmasters, either old or new, to the Express line.


I bought a Wingmaster back in the mid 1970's and simply could not hit crap with it. My buddy loved it, so I sold it to Him. Several years later I got an Express and it was my go-to shotgun for many years. I guess it still would be if there was anything here to shoot with a shotgun. miles


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