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God only knows.

In a million years science may be able to predict coin flips. Keep working at it. There are a lot of currently out of control variables. A big one is the consciousness of the coin flipper. No good model for that right now. We don't have a clue. Our best scientist Stuart Hameroff, says the best test for consciousness is to ask them if they are awake.

I have a rational and enquiring mind, though diminished by usage and misusage, despite 21st Century scientification. Though science has certainly advanced to the point of further explaining certain facts we previously understook only incompletely or not at all, it too often suffers self idolotry evidenced by considering its work in terms of 'always', 'never', 'absolutely', 'impossible', etc. when these terms are 'absolutely' inappropriate. I do not deny this extends to some scientific studies of Biblical origin and history, even truth. However this does not diminish my acceptance of the reality of God. I can wade thru the muck out pretty well.

There is never the absence of fact or, perhaps more accurately, truth. But as stated previously fact (truth) can interpreted correctly, incorrectly, or in an incomplete version of either, possibly both simultaneously. There are so many instances in scripture of real people trying their best to accurately describe what they are seeing, thinking or dreaming when there is simply not enough data on the hard drive to give a fully accurate description of the truth they have observed or experienced. Our actions and beliefs today can be critiqued in the same manner.

Many can and do look at Biblical accounts with the attitude of 'absolute' disbelief. How can a dead man possibly live? How can water gush from a rock? How can a people be fed daily in a desert devoid of food by an invisible entity they call God? Well, perhaps these are truths the lack of data on the hard drive prevents us from accurately interpreting. Who is man to say he is all knowing? Only thru arrogance is this voiced. We can't begin to know what we don't know or how to compensate for our ignorance. I am convinced reality extends into realms the human mind has not yet begun to understand. I see an analogy of walking into a dark room with your dog. Suddenly it is light. Dog MIGHT recognize that change has something to do with you, after all it doesn't get light with just him there. Then try to explain to him the perfect logic of it all; "fire burns the coal, which heats the water to steam, which turns the rotors, yada yada yada, then all I do is flip the switch". If dog could reply he'd probly ask "What's a switch". OK, when it comes to fully understanding the power of God, we're the dog. Nice conversation. Thanks.

Pascals wager?

Really?

Says the Young Earth Creationist.

You just keep repeating meaningless BS without any proof.

Yea, that pretty much sums up where theology falls on your chart.

But it can predict a million within a margin of error.

pre·dict
prəˈdikt/
verb
say or estimate that (a specified thing) will happen in the future or will be a consequence of something.
"it is too early to predict a result"
synonyms: forecast, foretell, foresee, prophesy, anticipate,..


When you get down to probability, your model is failing at that point.
That is why quantum mechanics is an incomplete theory.
It has been for 100 years. We are stuck.
The Schrodinger equation is a probability wave.

Read up on the difference between probabilistic and deterministic models.

Relative to flawed human awareness of course there can be absence of fact, where it be purposely hidden from them
, or the person just ignorantly blind to it. >> I did not say the non-existence of fact, but the abscence of fact.
Something can be absent from somewhere or someone, and still exist cant it?



Not all questioning/enquiring men claim to be all knowing...some simply question the validity of biblical claims, eg; like talking donkeys.
Many rational christians themselves don't believe such stories but still embrace and live christian values, very early Christians did not
believe that Jesus was divine...and some still don't.
Christians argued between themselves about divinity of Jesus, and it was supposedly settled in the 4th century by being decided by vote ,
which was then rejected and overturned by those who didn't like the result.

Our Founding Fathers had different strong beliefs and faiths yet specifically made a point of not forcing one group's on others.
Why this need to try and destroy or ridicule others faith or beliefs? That's what ISIS does!

Miracles, by definition, can't be explained by natural or scientific law. Hence, arguing they didn't happen based on one's understanding of science is moot.

Likewise, trying to explain them by science, as a spate of TV shows have tried to do, is silly because miracles are again, by definition, not explainable by science.

I'm not arguing whether or not they occurred. One can believe or not as they wish.

If you have faith, you don't need to justify or defend it.
If you don't believe then fine, but you can't prove there is no God with a capital "G" either.
If one feels one has to justify their faith or prove prove that God doesn't exist, they're missing something.

Pie times the radius squared

First Peter 3:15:

3:15 But sanctify the Lord God in you hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you...

I've got no problem with those that don't believe in God

Nor do I have a problem with those that believe God is real

I've had my own struggles with whether there's a creator or not.


When I'm surrounded by humans oftentimes it's very hard for me to believe there's a God, particularly the one described in the Bible kjv


But when I'm in the places that make my heart sing, the deep timber, the lonely windswept ridges, on the beach or in the mountains it's hard for me to deny the existence of a creator

YMMV, and I'm fine with that

Just my own personal experience

Nicely put

Such "main stream Bible scholars" are as legitimate as the main stream news. Deluded liars all.

This.

But, those like Ringman, Starman, and Snyper simply cannot allow that others believe or believe differently than they do.

I wonder if they can also prove the existence of other invisible beings like the Tooth Fairy? My youngest Grandson told me he has actually seen the Tooth Fairy and he looks a lot like my Son.

One of the best explanations of who God is and why we are who we are and the world is what it is is in the 1977 movie "Oh God", starring George Burns as God.

https://youtu.be/G1YsGmhaWyw

lol.

even my Grandmom, raised in a good standing Lutheran family, and who later fell by the wayside and joint the Baptists knows that pie are round. and i can attest that her homemade applepies were delish.

she even knows that if we were to send a rocket ship to the moon, it'd destroy us all, because the rocket would punch a hole in the atmosphere and let all the air out. now that's something to think about.

it amazes me that we can even be here, having this conversation. but, here we are nevertheless.

There are physical scientists with significantly more education than yours who accept a young earth as strongly as you accept an old earth. We all have the same information. It our wold view that tells us how to interpret it. You start with the idea the majority is correct. So did Dr. Kindell. And yet he studied ten different fields during his education. He now lectures on science without using the Bible.

He looks at a single rock with four different ages that vary by a billion years and says, "The dating system is flawed." You look at the same information and say, "This proves the Bible is wrong."