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...  I don't think they understood the question.
If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty
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Mr Burns,
You still using the .264? Yes, sort of. My .264 Win has much more freebore and a shallower leade angle than SAAMI. It might be a bit hard to find ammo in a pinch but it's still my favorite. The .26 Nosler is probably a better choice these days as getting the 140gr VLD to 3250 fps is a bit easier. The SAAMI .26 Nosler throat is still blunt and a bit short for best accuracy and barrel life but can work.
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A 'SERIOUS" hunter would not have to ask this question.
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Buddy of mine with lots of African experience borrowed my 270 to take over there. He previously shot a lot 300 magnum. When I asked why he said, unlike North American hunting where you hunt days for one trophy ,and may take one or two shots, in Africa you are constantly shooting to fill tags, quotas for bait,varmints, etc
The sustained pounding from a 300 magnum gets under some peoples skin. I loaded 150 Partitions and he liked it much better as a light rifle.
For a couple shots anybody can handle anything. Yep, makes total sense..............
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This was solved in Europe long ago with the 8x57, 7x57, and 6.5x55.
In America we basically did the same thing only with the 30-06, and later with the 270 win and 308 win.
They all do basically the same thing. Of course we all know this.
I would agree the important bit is getting the equipment that fits well,nsuits your weight parameters.
Any of these will do the job and they're far easier to learn and employ than an stick bow or atlatl.
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A 'SERIOUS" hunter would not have to ask this question. Yet a serious hunter choose to start a discussion. Ponder that. 
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Yet a serious hunter chose to start a discussion.
Indeed ! What's the saying "open your mouth and ...." ? Jerry
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I admit I have taken more game with a .270 Winchester than anything else in my vault. Of course, at a time is was the ONLY thing in my vault too. I drive the Mrs nutz when I carry on about what rifles to take on a given hunt and then proceed to shoot up a bunch of ammo in the half dozen cartridges just to confuse myself. All that said, if push came to shove and I had only ONE to pick, and it better not, I'd have to go .30-06 Springfield. Gobs of bullets and powders for the reloader, ammo everywhere when you need it, manageable recoil, modest weight, will kill anything on the planet with the right bullets. Boring but will get the job done.
Why does a man who is 50 pounds overweight complain about a 10 pound rifle being too heavy?
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I thought you 270 fans would enjoy this quote from Jack O'Conner.
Jack O'Connor Quote
On his favorite cartridges...."The .30-06, the .270, the .375, and the .416. Now you're going to ask me 'In what order?' In that order."~Jack O'Connor~
~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~
As Bob Hagel would say"You should not use a rifle that will kill an animal when everything goes right; you should use one that will do the job when everything goes wrong."Good words of wisdom...............
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Interesting. Poor 270 never gets any love. Kinda like 16 Gauge shotguns.
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baldhunter, a lot of folks don't even know how JOC felt about the 30-06 and just assume he ONLY liked the 270. I believe I read someplace his wife took a jumbo with a 30-06.
Why does a man who is 50 pounds overweight complain about a 10 pound rifle being too heavy?
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I can't think of any better cartridge especially when one considers worldwide availability of ammo, weight, recoil, bullet performance, ease of use, velocity, etc.
There are arguments for other cartridges but I believe in becoming very familiar with one cartridge. Couldn't agree more and I went through a variety of cartridges before reaching that very conclusion. Toward the end of my search, I was shooting cartridges like the 300 Win, 338 Win, 257 Wby and 300 Wby but I didn't enjoy shooting the big magnums for long range sessions and didn't like paying for any of the ammo. As a result, I made up my mind to go back to a vanilla '06-based cartridge because I wanted to shoot a bunch and still afford and enjoy it. I purchased a 25/06, 270 Win, 280 Rem and 30/06 and shot them side-by-side all summer long. There's not a lot of difference between any of these rounds but when it was all said and done, I knew the 270 Win was the one for me. I never had a 270 before that and I haven't looked back since. I love the cheap ammo, low recoil and on-game performance....really a perfect hunting round IME.
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This was solved in Europe long ago with the 8x57, 7x57, and 6.5x55.
In America we basically did the same thing only with the 30-06, and later with the 270 win and 308 win.
They all do basically the same thing. Of course we all know this.
I would agree the important bit is getting the equipment that fits well,nsuits your weight parameters.
Any of these will do the job and they're far easier to learn and employ than an stick bow or atlatl. How dare you make that much sense in these forums...you're supposed to tell everyone that they need either a really obscure hard to find/find ammo for cartridge or approximately 87 rifles of various weights and chamberings to be serious....
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I can't think of any better cartridge especially when one considers worldwide availability of ammo, weight, recoil, bullet performance, ease of use, velocity, etc.
There are arguments for other cartridges but I believe in becoming very familiar with one cartridge. Couldn't agree more and I went through a variety of cartridges before reaching that very conclusion. Toward the end of my search, I was shooting cartridges like the 300 Win, 338 Win, 257 Wby and 300 Wby but I didn't enjoy shooting the big magnums for long range sessions and didn't like paying for any of the ammo. As a result, I made up my mind to go back to a vanilla '06-based cartridge because I wanted to shoot a bunch and still afford and enjoy it. I purchased a 25/06, 270 Win, 280 Rem and 30/06 and shot them side-by-side all summer long. There's not a lot of difference between any of these rounds but when it was all said and done, I knew the 270 Win was the one for me. I never had a 270 before that and I haven't looked back since. I love the cheap ammo, low recoil and on-game performance....really a perfect hunting round IME. Nicely said Jeff.
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I think I could pretty easily get by with a stainless T3 Lite .308 in a McMillan stock.
That said, I would very much prefer a 3 rifle combo to cover everything that I normally go after, and at the various distances I tend to shoot.
Those would be:
T3 in .300 WM in a McMillan Sako Hunter
T3 in .308 Win in a McMillan Edge
Colt AR .223 in an ultra light configuration
Those would cover varmints to elk/big critters nicely.
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I own a 270 WSM, 270 Weatherby , might as well own the other one as well. I think after I buy yet another 7mm Rem mag might do that .
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I agree with RinB's assesment.
Have spent years chasing my tail and am now working to do the one big game gun thing.
That said I'll take a 30-06 please!
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A serious hunter has often killed many of the animals he hunts with different rounds and knows what works at the range he normally hunts animals.
they also tend to read and research a great deal on thier game, and limit things to thier favorites vs. bouncing all over the place.
For me this boils down to having 2 rifles (a spare if I'm traveling) for close range work, and one for longer pokes.
I use a 260 for WT under 300
I use a 280AI or 30-06 beyond that and or for elk
For lopes I have a 25-06 that shoots ragged holes that I refuse to sell.
I don't hunt lopes often.
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When the Classic Stainless M70 was first released, I hastily purchased a .30/06 as my one and only,
then I purchased another in .338win, from that moment on the 06' collected dust.
I contemplated a 7mmMag to replace my old 270-wby, ...only reason I went .338 was because I was
planning to hunt in buffalo and wild cattle country.
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After having spent a lot of money and thought on the issue I have concluded...I believe in becoming very familiar with one cartridge. I agree. I have done that with my 300 WSM, 100% reliable & repeatable.
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