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I realize this is not a political forum but there is a very serious threat to all of us fellow hunters. The current regime in the white house has just authorized the sale of massive amounts of public land. I for one truly don't want this to happen.
My hunting days are limited but I want my sons to have some of the wonderful opportunities I have had. The future is bleak indeed.
As a concerned community we need to oppose this with everything we've got. Flame on but this is a very real concern to me.
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All I've seen is a proposal by US representative Jason Chaffetz of Utah. Utah has been fighting this battle for decades. Nothing from "The White House".
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The current regime in the white house has just authorized the sale of massive amounts of public land. David Boston Where's this coming from? Do you have some wires crossed?
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That article makes it appear that the new administration is _opposed_ to that particular type of tax money giveaway.
I also STRONGLY OPPOSE the giveaway of federal lands (and cash, and benefits, and ...) at this point.
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The future is bleak? Hell the future was bleak with the prospect of Hillary.
Hunting on public lands would be under severe fire from the greenies, and who can afford to hunt when they are unemployed?
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Utah's large land owners and investors want the public lands under state controls. The LDS chruch the largest ranching and land leasing concern in Utah favors this. If the public lands become state controlled they will be sold to these powerful orgs. They will be gated and you will pay high fees to hunt. The LDS church owned Deseret Ranches charge $10,000 for an elk.
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It's not coming from the White House, but from some western states' congressmen and senators. Jason Chaffetz from UT put out HR 621 that called for the sale of 3+ million acres of lands that were tagged for disposal under Clinton. LOTS of folks have been making him and their representatives know that is unacceptable. He has since killed the bill.
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Chaffetz is withdrawing the bill
drover Thanks I was concerned but this will come up again.
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I would like to see the gummint get a fair price for the stuff companies take from public lands, like timber, oil, minerals, grazing and such. Not much in favor of selling any off, but transferring some to the states is okay, as long as it can't be sold by them afterwards. I've seen too much public property in the East sold off in sweetheart deals to developer friends of public officials to go for that. To paraphrase Chico Marx, they're honest, but you've got to watch them a little bit.
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I realize this is not a political forum but there is a very serious threat to all of us fellow hunters. The current regime in the white house has just authorized the sale of massive amounts of public land. I for one truly don't want this to happen.
My hunting days are limited but I want my sons to have some of the wonderful opportunities I have had. The future is bleak indeed.
As a concerned community we need to oppose this with everything we've got. Flame on but this is a very real concern to me.
David Boston The above is absolutely and completely false. Trump is on the record opposing the sale or transfer of public lands; Don, Jr., is a massive supporter of sportsmen and public lands; and, SecInterior Ryan Zinke is on the record and strongly opposed to the sale or transfer of public lands. If anything, we have a far GREATER degree of support for sportsmen and public lands in DC than we have had for decades.
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SecInterior Ryan Zinke is on the record and strongly opposed to the sale or transfer of public lands.
If anything, we have a far GREATER degree of support for sportsmen and public lands in DC than we have had for decades. I remain unconvinced, and now is NOT the time to relax vigilance. Aside from TR, Republicans have historically and notoriously been poor on conservation issues. A case in point is the current H.R. 622 which is just another Republican's attempt to weaken Fed Land Mgmt. It's its own sort of Trojan Horse, chipping away at Public Lands. And while Zinke opposes the transfer of federal public lands to the states, he supports transferring management of federal lands to the states in some circumstances. Zinke voted for a bill sponsored by Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) that would transfer management of up to four million of acres of federal public lands to states and counties. Under such a scenario, federal environmental laws that protect wildlife, clean water and clean air would not apply to these lands. I think it remains unclear what sort of Interior Secretary Zinke will be. Will he be a James Watt's? I'm hopeful he won't, but I'm not going to relax on this. I wrote Zinke this morning on HR622...
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SecInterior Ryan Zinke is on the record and strongly opposed to the sale or transfer of public lands.
If anything, we have a far GREATER degree of support for sportsmen and public lands in DC than we have had for decades. I remain unconvinced, and now is NOT the time to relax vigilance. Aside from TR, Republicans have historically and notoriously been poor on conservation issues. A case in point is the current H.R. 622 which is just another Republican's attempt to weaken Fed Land Mgmt. It's its own sort of Trojan Horse, chipping away at Public Lands. And while Zinke opposes the transfer of federal public lands to the states, he supports transferring management of federal lands to the states in some circumstances. Zinke voted for a bill sponsored by Rep. Raul Labrador (R-Idaho) that would transfer management of up to four million of acres of federal public lands to states and counties. Under such a scenario, federal environmental laws that protect wildlife, clean water and clean air would not apply to these lands. I think it remains unclear what sort of Interior Secretary Zinke will be. Will he be a James Watt's? I'm hopeful he won't, but I'm not going to relax on this. I wrote Zinke this morning on HR622... Well stated.
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I have to admit to having mixed feelings with this issue. I am quite conservative, but I do enjoy climbing, backpacking, and hunting-all on public lands. Being in southern Idaho, most all the recreation I do is on either National Forest or BLM land. I think 4ager and Brad both make some good points. I am cautiously optimistic, but, as stated in this thread, we need to stay vigilant.
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Not to stir the pot any, but a lot of the land earmarked for "disposal" has no access to it for the public.
I am not saying that a bill like this is not the camel's nose under the tent, but little bits and pieces left over from the homestead days are difficult and very costly to manage.
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Here is another link about this bill. Proud of the Montanan's that opposed this. http://usuncut.com/resistance/hunters-fishermen-public-land/
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