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While I agree that a higher magnification scope could help one shoot smaller groups, I've never had a problem getting a 9 or 10x scope to shoot small enough groups that confirm great accuracy from a particular load. This group was shot yesterday with a 3-10 Leupy, it'll work. Montana 30-06 shooting 168 TTSX's. ![[Linked Image]](http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v228/DallSheep4me/Mobile%20Uploads/2017-02/943AC35D-5F3E-47A5-A746-06886D8B3BDC_zps9xkq46mm.jpg)
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PS- There are NO rifles comparable to the Kimber Montana.
None. Zero. Nada.
Clark Thank God.
It is irrelevant what you think. What matters is the TRUTH.
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I don't know if this is the place to post this... but...
Can I call first right of refusal for all these [bleep] kimbers that can't shoot that the owners want to dump???
I'm happpy to dispose of them properly for you (in my safe) I'll take your word for it that they can't shoot and will pay a fair amout of money for a poor shooting rifle. Low powered lightweight scopes and mounts will be considered if they are offered in the deal as well.
Thank you,
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Nope
When I dump mine you can bet on two things
Low Low Low shot count.....or unknown but low
If you do your part and feed it ammo that it likes it will shoot
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Or maybe, just maybe -- some of us shoot a bunch and have tried it all. And maybe some of us know what we're talking about. BTW, I'll be at the Cooper one shot in Hamilton this July. You bring your low power scope, and some cash. You game? Run your rifle not your mouth..... Ho Lee [bleep], I'm rolling here. One shot at 150, closest to the X. You're going to a Turkey shoot for rifles. What a hoooot 😳 You must have graduated from special education. A simple google search would have told you that in the morning, there are shots fired for friendly wagers. If you did as much shooting your rifle as you did your mouth, you would have posted some pics of better groups. Some of those are downright embarrassing. I would just throw my rifle away, and use a slingshot.....[bleep]
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I found out about the friendly wagers. It's the equivalent of a Turkey shoot and little more. Set up so some can get lucky and win vs the top shooters taking home the prize. And oh ya, have to shoot a Cooper.
Make it at 300-500 yards bring what you may and it would be serious competition.
Turkey shoot with a big dinner to promote Cooper to the masses. Nothing more.
Most everyone here could enter and shoot at 150 with a tuned up rifle and be competitive.
Be sure and have fun, Turkey.
laissez les bons temps rouler
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You have 19 posts and the majority are insults and generally negative. Even if I could outshoot you with a worthless Nikon or Leopold low power scope or heaven forbid a bushnell I wouldn't attempt it(not claiming that I could by the way). Why would I throw away precious time trying to win an internet argument with someone so energy draining and fun sucking. Lighten up and contribute to the general campfire experience instead of trying to bring everyone else down with you. It's a choice to respond a certain way, not a necessity.
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Tell me the odds of putting grease on the same pancake? I Know they are there, well ice and house slippers. -Kawi
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Suggestion: Take your dog and pony show over to the long range forum, where the big boys play, and see what they have to say. Should be interesting.
Last edited by battue; 02/05/17.
laissez les bons temps rouler
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PS- There are NO rifles comparable to the Kimber Montana.
None. Zero. Nada.
Clark Thank God. I'm guessing you still don't own one. Dave
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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I wouldn't be surprised if Mathman may have shot more rifles than you have groups. As Stick says you should be doing more reading than giving advice.
What advice have I given? It's pretty obvious to anybody past 1st grade that better magnification shrinks groups significantly. If one disagrees with that, they are either retarded, or argue just for the sake of arguing. Are you from west Texas? Travis
Trump being classless,tasteless and clueless as usual. Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit. My young wife decided to play the field and had moved several dudes into my house
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Never had much a problem shooting MOA at 700 yards with a 6x scope.
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You have 19 posts and the majority are insults and generally negative. Even if I could outshoot you with a worthless Nikon or Leopold low power scope or heaven forbid a bushnell I wouldn't attempt it(not claiming that I could by the way). Why would I throw away precious time trying to win an internet argument with someone so energy draining and fun sucking. Lighten up and contribute to the general campfire experience instead of trying to bring everyone else down with you. It's a choice to respond a certain way, not a necessity.
MM That's the thing, I did come in here with a positive attitude, posted my experience and why I thought a lot of Montana's get condemned so quick. Then I got the, "all you need is a cheap Leupold" line. A low power Leupold is a decent cheap scope. Nothing more, nothing less. There is a reason competitive shooters use big magnification, high $$$ scopes. If they didn't outperform low magnification scopes, nobody would bother wasting money on them. Shooting MOA with a low power Leupold is not that hard. I have no problem doing it. The thing is, MOA is not good enough for ME, and a lot of others. I thought I made that pretty clear in my post, but some must not read before they post nonsense.
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You have 19 posts and the majority are insults and generally negative. Even if I could outshoot you with a worthless Nikon or Leopold low power scope or heaven forbid a bushnell I wouldn't attempt it(not claiming that I could by the way). Why would I throw away precious time trying to win an internet argument with someone so energy draining and fun sucking. Lighten up and contribute to the general campfire experience instead of trying to bring everyone else down with you. It's a choice to respond a certain way, not a necessity.
MM That's the thing, I did come in here with a positive attitude, posted my experience and why I thought a lot of Montana's get condemned so quick. Then I got the, "all you need is a cheap Leupold" line. A low power Leupold is a decent cheap scope. Nothing more, nothing less. There is a reason competitive shooters use big magnification, high $$$ scopes. If they didn't outperform low magnification scopes, nobody would bother wasting money on them. Shooting MOA with a low power Leupold is not that hard. I have no problem doing it. The thing is, MOA is not good enough for ME, and a lot of others. I thought I made that pretty clear in my post, but some must not read before they post nonsense. Just curious, but what do 25x scopes and shooting in the .1's have to do with lightweight hunting rifles?
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Or maybe, just maybe -- some of us shoot a bunch and have tried it all. And maybe some of us know what we're talking about. BTW, I'll be at the Cooper one shot in Hamilton this July. You bring your low power scope, and some cash. You game? Run your rifle not your mouth..... Ho Lee [bleep], I'm rolling here. One shot at 150, closest to the X. You're going to a Turkey shoot for rifles. What a hoooot 😳 You must have graduated from special education. A simple google search would have told you that in the morning, there are shots fired for friendly wagers. If you did as much shooting your rifle as you did your mouth, you would have posted some pics of better groups. Some of those are downright embarrassing. I would just throw my rifle away, and use a slingshot.....[bleep] So 0.2-0.75 MOA groups are embarrassing? Best to check the distance of the target before judging the holes in the paper...
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A few years ago a rep from Kimber was hunting in Utah with, I believe, Lee J. Hoots. The rep shot a 3-4" group at 100 yards. They were very happy with that.
I hope they can do better than that now. I want a .257 Roberts. The Kimber and MRC are the only ones I see that list it.
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You have 19 posts and the majority are insults and generally negative. Even if I could outshoot you with a worthless Nikon or Leopold low power scope or heaven forbid a bushnell I wouldn't attempt it(not claiming that I could by the way). Why would I throw away precious time trying to win an internet argument with someone so energy draining and fun sucking. Lighten up and contribute to the general campfire experience instead of trying to bring everyone else down with you. It's a choice to respond a certain way, not a necessity.
MM That's the thing, I did come in here with a positive attitude, posted my experience and why I thought a lot of Montana's get condemned so quick. Then I got the, "all you need is a cheap Leupold" line. A low power Leupold is a decent cheap scope. Nothing more, nothing less. There is a reason competitive shooters use big magnification, high $$$ scopes. If they didn't outperform low magnification scopes, nobody would bother wasting money on them. Shooting MOA with a low power Leupold is not that hard. I have no problem doing it. The thing is, MOA is not good enough for ME, and a lot of others. I thought I made that pretty clear in my post, but some must not read before they post nonsense. Just curious, but what do 25x scopes and shooting in the .1's have to do with lightweight hunting rifles? Nothing. I just simply pointed out an experience. If one is after consistent accuracy, it's better to spend the money on glass and get a cheaper rifle. For some reason, most here go the opposite way. Makes little sense.
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Or maybe, just maybe -- some of us shoot a bunch and have tried it all. And maybe some of us know what we're talking about. BTW, I'll be at the Cooper one shot in Hamilton this July. You bring your low power scope, and some cash. You game? Run your rifle not your mouth..... Ho Lee [bleep], I'm rolling here. One shot at 150, closest to the X. You're going to a Turkey shoot for rifles. What a hoooot 😳 You must have graduated from special education. A simple google search would have told you that in the morning, there are shots fired for friendly wagers. If you did as much shooting your rifle as you did your mouth, you would have posted some pics of better groups. Some of those are downright embarrassing. I would just throw my rifle away, and use a slingshot.....[bleep] So 0.2-0.75 MOA groups are embarrassing? Best to check the distance of the target before judging the holes in the paper... Where did I say that? Instead of putting words in my mouth, try reading what I posted a few times before you post a response. Some of the groups posted weren't anywhere near that.
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A few years ago a rep from Kimber was hunting in Utah with, I believe, Lee J. Hoots. The rep shot a 3-4" group at 100 yards. They were very happy with that.
I hope they can do better than that now. I want a .257 Roberts. The Kimber and MRC are the only ones I see that list it. I bet most Kimber rifles can shoot MOA. You just have to be prepared to do the tweaks posted on this site, and as the worst case scenario, be prepared to re barrel. In the end it's hard to beat the value that Kimber has to offer in the Montana/Hunter Models.
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Shooting MOA with a low power Leupold is not that hard. I have no problem doing it. The thing is, MOA is not good enough for ME, and a lot of others. I thought I made that pretty clear in my post, but some must not read before they post nonsense.
I have a 10x scope that is parallax adjustable and has a fine reticle. Using an appropriate target and a precise enough rifle it is no problem to shoot far below MOA with that scope. For the present purpose I'll assume you're pretty good at shooting a rifle. Here's my point: If you mount this same 10x scope on the Kimber, you use an appropriate target, and you shoot it with your best form, consistency, and without bias, you'll find that scope sufficient to reveal all of the precision the rifle can reliably and repeatedly produce. It's like a base model four banger in an economy car set up for 87 octane gas. Putting in 93 octane gets you nothing.
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So 0.2-0.75 MOA groups are embarrassing? Best to check the distance of the target before judging the holes in the paper...
Where did I say that? Instead of putting words in my mouth, try reading what I posted a few times before you post a response. Some of the groups posted weren't anywhere near that. I see (1) group that is about 1 MOA. All the others are about 0.75 MOA or under. Some are well under. That is not too shabby at all for a lightweight rifle, regardless of scope magnification.
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