John, the 175 RN @2400fps is what I'm trying to replicate in the 30-06. I'm trying to find out which heavier bullet might open up at slower speeds, yet might not bloodshot as much as the 165s. Even at slower speeds the 170s open to violently. Captdavid
"It's not how hard you hit 'em, it's where you hit 'em." The 30-06 will, with the right bullet, successfully take any game animal in North America up to 300yds.
If you are a hunter, and farther than that, get closer!
John, the 175 RN @2400fps is what I'm trying to replicate in the 30-06. I'm trying to find out which heavier bullet might open up at slower speeds, yet might not bloodshot as much as the 165s. Even at slower speeds the 170s open to violently. Captdavid
In the case of 165s its the speed that does the bloodshot....faster always equals more bloodshot. In the caee of the 170s..its the bullet, they are designed for .30-30 velocity ( 2100 fps) and will be too violent at 24000....
Look up Hornady 220 RN bullet # 3090...that will be your Huckleberry.
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John, the 175 RN @2400fps is what I'm trying to replicate in the 30-06. I'm trying to find out which heavier bullet might open up at slower speeds, yet might not bloodshot as much as the 165s. Even at slower speeds the 170s open to violently. Captdavid
John, the 175 RN @2400fps is what I'm trying to replicate in the 30-06. I'm trying to find out which heavier bullet might open up at slower speeds, yet might not bloodshot as much as the 165s. Even at slower speeds the 170s open to violently. Captdavid
John, the 175 RN @2400fps is what I'm trying to replicate in the 30-06. I'm trying to find out which heavier bullet might open up at slower speeds, yet might not bloodshot as much as the 165s. Even at slower speeds the 170s open to violently. Captdavid
Sounds like you need to rebore it to .338 and load up some Speer 200's! That's the perfect match to your 7X57!
That has not been my experience with all 170-grain bullets for the .30-30, including the Core-Lokt and Nosler Partition. But if you really want to use a bullet that will expand without "exploding" in the .30-06, use the 200- or 220-grain Nosler Partition at 2400-2500 fps, which I hinted at earlier in my post. It doesn't really matter if one's a spitzer and one's a round-nose, they will both work.
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I'm trying to remember which gun rag I saw this in but it was written by the late Finn Aagaard. He did a bunch of cull hunts of Whitetail Deer on the ranch he was livings. He used the 30-06 and 220 gr. bullets. I forget which but he said they not only worked quite well but did minimal meat damage as well. I'm thinking maybe Rifle, Handloader or Successful Hunter but it could be one of the others as well. If I can find the time, I'll try and look for it. Paul B.
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I had a friend borrow a PH's rifle in Africa for a day. It was a 30-06 shooting 220 RNs. He had a shot at a Zebra in amongst many small trees. He took a shot and managed to kill a tree and a Zebra in one shot. After passing through the tree, the bullet entered the Zebra flying sideways and dropped the Zebra rather quickly. Cool looking entrance would though!
Look up Hornady 220 RN bullet # 3090...that will be your Huckleberry.
This, 2450~ out of my 22" barreled Safari Grade shoots through hogs with aplomb.
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Thanks John, maybe that will get me closer to a gun I've desired but couldn't rationalize, the 318WR. On my one trip to Africa 40yrs ago I was the last booked hunt. The lodge was a gatherings place for several PHs from the surrounding area. I remember three things distinctly: 1.They lamented the demise of the 318WR. 2. They really didn't like the 300 mags. It wasn't because they were not good. It was because they weren't needed and because of the hunters using them. Most couldn't handle them. 3. Most hunters would be better off using the 30-06 they left at home. Thanks for your help, captdavid
"It's not how hard you hit 'em, it's where you hit 'em." The 30-06 will, with the right bullet, successfully take any game animal in North America up to 300yds.
If you are a hunter, and farther than that, get closer!
i read somewhere that there are several locales in the USA where a lot of hunters shoot the 165 grain RN corelokt load out of their 280s. so i bought a box out of sheer curiosity... ... ... and got six inch groups at 100 yards. Dang. I decided i did not need to experiment any further, and went back to spitzers. i hope you have better luck with RN bullets in your 30-06...
The various 30-30 170 grain round nose flat points worked really well in my 308 pushed to moderate velocities. Soft enough for deer hard enough for Hogs and if anything the flat tip added to the leathality like a wad cutter or flat nosed solid.
Forgot what the velocity was but about 2300-2400 is my guess. I used a medium charge of 4350 for this. Another one to look for is the 200 grain bullet for the 300 Savage. Haven't shot this one but I believe Sam Fadala liked to use them for culling.
The Corelokt is never a bad choice either if you can find them. Last I found were the old style pre-bean counter type with a double tapered jacket.
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I'm not so much worried about killing the hogs as I always try to take out one shoulder. I Just don't want to pencil-through a doe with a double-lung shot.
Another one to look for is the 200 grain bullet for the 300 Savage.
I thought I was miss-remembering, and didn't mention it but the first reloader that I talked to used to load those in a 308. Where can I get them? Captdavid
"It's not how hard you hit 'em, it's where you hit 'em." The 30-06 will, with the right bullet, successfully take any game animal in North America up to 300yds.
If you are a hunter, and farther than that, get closer!
I'm not so much worried about killing the hogs as I always try to take out one shoulder. I Just don't want to pencil-through a doe with a double-lung shot.
Another one to look for is the 200 grain bullet for the 300 Savage.
I thought I was miss-remembering, and didn't mention it but the first reloader that I talked to used to load those in a 308. Where can I get them? Captdavid
I think you're pushing the concept a bit far here. I've loaded lots and lots of 300 Savage. I have a 700 Classic that I've enjoyed shooting quite a bit, far more than hunting requirements dictate. A 180 at 2400 is right in the little 300's wheelhouse, and it would do just what you're asking it to.
The reason the 175 roundnoses work so well in your 7x57 isn't because they have round noses, but because of the moderate muzzle velocity.
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Probably the 170's made for the .30-30 would work as well as the 175's from the 7x57 if loaded to similar velocities.
I just put together some practice loads using the old 175 grain Deep Curl bullets at a scorching 2100 fps. I might try them on a pig just to see how expansion is with that bullet at that velocity. My guess is that inside of 100 yards it'll probably do just fine.
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Keep me informed on how that combination works on pigs Rev. I have some 175 Mag Tips that I need to load up.
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