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This isn't sounding good for our neighbors to the north. Long wait times in emergency rooms due to too many patients using the emergency room rather than their doctors, and long wait times to see specialists. Worst of 11 industrialized nations that were surveyed, apparently. http://www.vancouversun.com/news/na...failing+grade+survey/12928089/story.htmlWell, it turns out that compared to other industrialized countries, Canada has the highest proportion of patients reporting excessively long waits in an emergency department, a report released Thursday by the Canadian Institute for Health Information (CIHI) shows.
The report, part of a survey of residents in 11 countries sponsored by the U.S.-based Commonwealth Fund, shows 29 per cent of Canadians had to wait four hours or longer before being seen by a practitioner during their most recent emergency department visit.
That’s almost three times the international average of 11 per cent of patients who had to wait that long. Patients in France, Germany and the Netherlands fared the best, with one to four per cent reporting a four-hour-plus wait time.
Canada also topped the list for having the highest proportion of patients with long delays to see specialists, with 56 per cent waiting longer than four weeks, compared with the international average of 36 per cent, CIHI said.
In Switzerland, the proportion of patients who waited that long was 22 per cent; in the U.S., it was 24 per cent.
“In seven out of eight measures of timely access to care, Canada was significantly below the international average,” Christina Lawand, a senior researcher at CIHI, said from Ottawa.
“I think timely access to care has been a challenge for a while that we’ve noted from these surveys and from patient experience more generally in Canada,” she said.
“We’re not really seeing improvements over the last 10 years in timely access to care from a patient’s perspective, particularly when we look at timely access to family doctors or primary-care doctors or to specialists and for emergency department wait times.”
The results were based on interviews with 4,200 Canadian adults aged 18 and older, conducted between March and May last year. Surveys that posed the same questions were undertaken in 10 other developed countries, including the United States, Britain, Australia and Sweden.
Digging further into the data, Lawand said the surveys show that Canadians tend to go to the emergency department more than their peers in other counties, “and often they tell us it’s for a problem that could have been treated by their regular doctor.”
“So all of these data help to shed light on the bigger picture, which is what is it in our system that may not be working so well and where could we concentrate or focus improvements?”
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That's what the democrats want for us
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Yeah, but doesn't free health care sound like a great idea?
That's what I hear from the demochits I work with.
When I die I hope I don't start voting democrat.
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Yeah, but doesn't free health care sound like a great idea?
That's what I hear from the demochits I work with. Let's talk about the definition of "free"... Seems they pay extra taxes. I'm not dissing their system, if it works for THEM and THEY like it, then by all means keep it. Only family member I know of that was involved with it was able to afford to come down to the states for timely care when something disastrous came up and they gave her a 4 month wait to see an oncologist.
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As a visitor to Ontario, Canada, it sounds like the care is all over the board.
The tax, as I hear it, is part of income tax. The bigger end of taxes must be on tobacco, alcohol, and more I'm sure.
Perhaps a Canadian will chip in with real knowledge.
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Perhaps a Canadian will chip in with real knowledge. Unless they've had health care outside of Canada, how do they compare?
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If health care is so good in Canada, why do Canadians with money come to the here for care?
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I've been waiting since mid November to see a specialist {gastroenterologist} here in NY. My appointment is the first week in March. Canada's wait time sounds good to me.
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Well, they do know more about their health care than a non Canadian. Some Canadians travel to the US , and pay out of pocket. Many buy travel insurance when planning to be out of Canada.
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Well, they do know more about their health care than a non Canadian. I never thought of that, thanks.
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We did 4 1/2 years of that and it plain sucked.
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What we need is DocRocket. I understand he practiced in Canada, and now in the US.
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It would be better with 300 million more people and 20 million illegal aliens.
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The reason their system has lasted as long as it has is because it is backed up by the US system.
I feel sorry for them.
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If health care is so good in Canada, why do Canadians with money come to the here for care? You answer your own question....because they have the money and can pay and dont have to wait, they go to Mexico too. Sift through a few layers and I think you will find that some of these professionals (doctors nurses) want long wait times so they can leverage the government for more funding. Honestly, its hard to know who is full of it, people in emergency because of a hangnail jambs up and overloads a free healthcare system.
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I think most Canadians realize our health care system is anything but ideal. We pay a huge amount of taxes, out wait times are way too long and in many places its pretty well impossible to get a family doctor. That's the reason so many people use the ER, and why the wait times there are so long. I haven't had a doctor since I moved to Alberta about 12 years ago.
My brother and his family were involved in a car wreck while in the US a few years ago. He said the level of care they got as well as the facility was way beyond everything they had ever seen. On the other hand, the costs were exorbitant too, amounting to something over $30 000 for a few days stay. Luckily his insurance is covering it.
Seems like in the US if you get seriously ill you can get top notch care,and spend the rest of your life trying to pay it off, while in Canada you won't have to put up much extra money, but your probably gonna die...
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If health care is so good in Canada, why do Canadians with money come to the here for care? I have friends in Saskatoon and Regina Saskatchewan. They come to Minnesota for their serious health issues.
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I have some friends that are Canadian. They told me the problem with the healthcare system was they have a cap on a doctors income. Once the doctor hits that cap, he quits until next year.
My friends told me don't get sick in December because there's no doctors around.
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I had one occasion to use Canada's health care; at the end of a 4 week waterfowl banding assignment, I came down with giardia. I took one look at the waiting room in Ft. Providence, NWT, saw about 40 tubercular Indians, and scampered out the back door. But, it was Free!!
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I think most Canadians realize our health care system is anything but ideal. We pay a huge amount of taxes, out wait times are way too long and in many places its pretty well impossible to get a family doctor. That's the reason so many people use the ER, and why the wait times there are so long. I haven't had a doctor since I moved to Alberta about 12 years ago.
My brother and his family were involved in a car wreck while in the US a few years ago. He said the level of care they got as well as the facility was way beyond everything they had ever seen. On the other hand, the costs were exorbitant too, amounting to something over $30 000 for a few days stay. Luckily his insurance is covering it.
Seems like in the US if you get seriously ill you can get top notch care,and spend the rest of your life trying to pay it off, while in Canada you won't have to put up much extra money, but your probably gonna die... I have lots of friends in Canada as I worked in an international business based in the USA but with lots of our business in Canada. Some of my dear Canadian friends have reminded me how cheap their healthcare system is. I ask them "what's your tax rate?" That pretty much ends the argument. They pay very high taxes to keep the healthcare system afloat.
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