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bwinters,
My thought is if you want to move up from the great 30-06, I'd leap over the 300WSM and look seriously at the 300 WM.. In my book, more separation of performance with the 30-06. Above that would be something like the 300RUM or 300 Weatherby. But, I'm not a fan of either one.
I have a .308 Win. as my base, a 300WM and jump to a 375 H&H M70 Alaskan.
You could devote the 30-06 to 165's and then keep the 300WSM and devote it to 180's or 200's and have some separation of performance that way.
Its fun to debate and consider the possibilities as we allow winter to pass by.
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There is very little you can do with any 338 or 35 caliber cartridge that you can't do as well or better with a 30-06. Next step is 375 and if I were buying one today I'd look hard at the 375 Ruger. My thought is if you want to move up from the great 30-06, I'd leap over the 300WSM and look seriously at the 300 WM.. In my book, more separation of performance with the 30-06. I'm gonna disagree. A 30-06 with top end 180 gr book loads is going to be at or near 2800 fps. I know some push 'em faster, but I've not seen any loading manual that lists a faster load. A 300 WSM will easily beat that by 150 fps and some loads 250 fps faster. At best a 300 WM beats 300 WSM by 50-75 fps and it needs 10-15 gr more powder resulting in noticeably more recoil.
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I'll have my head cracked for suggesting this but as you're using Partitions rather than high BC bullets, what about the 325WSM?
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I'll have my head cracked for suggesting this but as you're using Partitions rather than high BC bullets, what about the 325WSM?
Crikey mate. Only an Ausie would suggest such an atrocity...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I'm a nostalgic fan of the 8x57... 
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I'll have my head cracked for suggesting this but as you're using Partitions rather than high BC bullets, what about the 325WSM?
Kimber 8400 in 325 WSM makes a nice mountain rifle
I probably hit more elk with a pickup than you have with a rifle. I have yet to see anyone claim Leupold has never had to fix an optic. I know I have sent a few back. 2 MK 6s, a VX-6, and 3 VX-111s.
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I'm a nostalgic fan of the 8x57... Ha ha... I was thinking damn, this guy probably likes the 8x57 mauser too...  That's all my dad ever used while I was growing up. He bought me a 30-06 when I was 12, but I knew to respect the old 8mm... 
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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If Africa is on the schedule, jump to the 375 H&H and save yourself a bunch of time and money. An '06 and a 375 cover an awful lot of game.
We're going to Africa twice this year. On the shopping list is warthog, bushbuck, eland, sable, roan, kudu, two leopards and a hippo. Guns are a 300 H&H and a 375H&H. Probably won't get everything I'm looking for, but it won't be because of the guns!
(The 300 is going only because I like that rifle better than my 30-06s! The difference in performance isn't worth talking about!)
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bwinters,
My thought is if you want to move up from the great 30-06, I'd leap over the 300WSM and look seriously at the 300 WM.. In my book, more separation of performance with the 30-06. I agree w/ the 300 WM. I've had several, Ruger 77. Rem 700, BBR, now a Win 70. From my Oehler 33 at 15' from muzzle I easily get - 3120 + with 180 NP and very reasonable case life. That's more than 50-75 fps over the WSM. Now we have some newER powders that might push those 180 or 200 grainers even faster. Jerry
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You may want to investigate revamping your 300 WSM EW to a lighter platform... I have the same M70 EW in 300 WSM. Mine has a 3.5-10x40 Leupold in X-Low Talley Lwt's. I swapped-out the steel follower with an aluminum one, and the factory bottom metal with a PT&G aluminum one. Those two items shaved 2.5 oz's. I'll be selling the B&C stock and putting it in a Bansner or Brown. All-up weight with sling and rounds will be around 7.75 lbs. RL17 sends the 180's at 3,030. It's the most accurate rifle I own, and I really like its weight-forward feel over the lighter Kimber's. It doesn't offer that much more than a 30-06, but for me it's more about the rifle it's chambered in. It's a better LR rig than the Kimber. A bit heavier and more barrel weight. Only other thing I'd suggest is a 375 H&H. Like me, you sound bored  I've had both a 338WM and a 375H&H for over 30 years. I like my Sako 375 because it's light enough to carry around, yet the recoil is very tolerable. The Win mod 70 375, (and I've had 4 of them) is anything but light. I like the rifle, because it's stainless, but I keep the Sako AV. Mine is in a McMillian stock and I couldn't ask for anything better.
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bwinters,
My thought is if you want to move up from the great 30-06, I'd leap over the 300WSM and look seriously at the 300 WM.. In my book, more separation of performance with the 30-06. I agree w/ the 300 WM. I've had several, Ruger 77. Rem 700, BBR, now a Win 70. From my Oehler 33 at 15' from muzzle I easily get - 3120 + with 180 NP and very reasonable case life. That's more than 50-75 fps over the WSM. Now we have some newER powders that might push those 180 or 200 grainers even faster. Jerry RL26 baby.....
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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I strongly suspect that Rl 26 will do that but haven't tried it yet.
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A step up would be a 6.5 Creedmoor. 
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attack on the Second Amendment. You will suffer the consequences.
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I jump from an '06 to a win classic model 70 375H&H.
The 375 mod 70 is 9 pounds, but I don't want to cut one ounce off of it, because the heavier rifles really minimize recoil.
To me, cutting one pound out of my rifle (12%) and adding that much more in recoil would be a stupid move on my part.
I try to avoid out-thinking myself as much as possible...
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A step up would be a 6.5 Creedmoor. Not if he is shooting Partitions.
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What is inadequate with the .30-06 that you need a 'step up'? As you've said, gains are marginal and if you stick with a .30 and 180g bullets the cost in recoil and/or rifle weight always goes up.
If planning for Africa I'd look at a .375.
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A good .30-06 is a 99% solution.
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C H, I agree with you but Mr. Winters said this,
"The subject of Africa and a moose hunt keeps coming up with my Dad. He's headed to Africa in May and wants to plan a follow up."
With "Africa" as an objective, a step up could have merit.
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jwall stated my thoughts. In NA, I have no need, especially considering I'll never pay the $$$ to hunt a coastal brown. In Africa, the equation changes a bit - lots of big bitey creatures. If I ever go, I'd love to hunt eland - I find those big SOBs really cool.
I'll probably end up with a 9.3x62 if I need a bigger hammer. I keep hearing stories of guys 'walking all day' in search of various animals. I guess carrying a 9lb rifle in 100 degree heat is the 'effort price' to pay. Thought I swore off 9lb rifles 15 years ago........
I'll likely lighten up my 300 WSM and shoot 200 Partitions or 165-180 TTSX if I make the trip across the pond.
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I keep hearing stories of guys 'walking all day' in search of various animals. I guess carrying a 9lb rifle in 100 degree heat is the 'effort price' to pay. Thought I swore off 9lb rifles 15 years ago........
Not as bad as you might imagine. Most of Africa is fairly flat and low elevation, although there are exceptions. Also most stalks are not all day unless you are after elephant. My 375 at a little over 9lb has never been a problem.
I am continually astounded at how quickly people make up their minds on little evidence or none at all.
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If you need more than a 30-06, then you need a lot more. I've chosen the 30-06 and 338 WM for my next few years of hunting in the Mountain West, the Pacific Northwest, Canada, and Alaska. For Africa, I MIGHT swap the 338 WM for the 9.3x62.
I also spend a lot more time in the gym, which makes everything seem lighter.
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