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If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck #11849152 02/23/17 Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,220 VA W WayneShaw OP Campfire Tracker OP WayneShaw Campfire Tracker W Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,220 VA Which is the better of the two, Dodge or Chevy? Ford is not an option. Last edited by WayneShaw; 02/23/17.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849156 02/23/17 Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 73,096 Punta Gorda, FL T LEE Campfire Kahuna T LEE Campfire Kahuna Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 73,096 Punta Gorda, FL Dodge! If you can't Dodge it, Ram it! George Orwell was a Prophet, not a novelist. Read 1984 and then look around you! Old cat turd! "Some men just need killing." ~ Clay Allison. I am too old to fight but I can still pull a trigger. ~ Me

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849159 02/23/17 Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 4,293 Bothell, Washington R Remington6MM Campfire Tracker Remington6MM Campfire Tracker R Joined: Sep 2010 Posts: 4,293 Bothell, Washington That's like choosing between a fat girl or an ugly one. I'd rather die in a BAD gunfight than a GOOD nursing home.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Remington6MM #11849166 02/23/17 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,939 Likes: 16 Hi-Line SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,939 Likes: 16 Hi-Line laughing.... So true.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849171 02/23/17 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,939 Likes: 16 Hi-Line SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,939 Likes: 16 Hi-Line Originally Posted by WayneShaw Which is the better of the two, Dodge or Chevy? Ford is not an option. Intended use?

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck SamOlson #11849178 02/23/17 Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 O Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger Oldelkhunter Campfire Ranger O Joined: Sep 2004 Posts: 29,383 Didn't know Chevy made trucks

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849181 02/23/17 Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 11,792 Likes: 1 Minnesota D dale06 Campfire Outfitter dale06 Campfire Outfitter D Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 11,792 Likes: 1 Minnesota Chevy hands down. NRA Patron

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Oldelkhunter #11849182 02/23/17 Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 69,698 Likes: 23 Not In The City rockinbbar Campfire Kahuna rockinbbar Campfire Kahuna Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 69,698 Likes: 23 Not In The City Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Didn't know Chevy made trucks They don't. Not real trucks, anyway. They make a vehicle with a pickup bed that goes down the highway alright though. Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla!

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849187 02/23/17 Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,016 Northern Nevada mcmurphrjk Campfire Tracker mcmurphrjk Campfire Tracker Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 4,016 Northern Nevada Just curious, why is Ford not an option? Democracy is not freedom. Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to eat for lunch. Freedom comes from the recognition of certain rights which may not be taken, not even by a 99% vote. *Marvin Simkin* L.A. Times (1992)

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849188 02/23/17 Joined: May 2007 Posts: 5,749 (513) F Folically_Challenged Campfire Tracker Folically_Challenged Campfire Tracker F Joined: May 2007 Posts: 5,749 (513) I've had problems with both Dodge and GM trucks. I've never yet had a problem with a Ford truck. Then again, I've never owned one yet, either... FC "Every day is a holiday, and every meal is a banquet." - Mrs. FC

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Oldelkhunter #11849192 02/23/17 Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 17,181 Northern California Hammerdown Campfire Ranger Hammerdown Campfire Ranger Joined: Mar 2003 Posts: 17,181 Northern California My Dodge truck is a 2004, 2500 4 door diesel. It has about 120,000 miles on it. Runs great, lots of power. If were to buy anther today, it would be another Dodge. I've been very happy with this truck. Randy NRA Patriot Life Benefactor

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Remington6MM #11849198 02/23/17 Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 59,186 Likes: 31 Next to the dump that Del Shan... 12344mag Campfire Kahuna 12344mag Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2011 Posts: 59,186 Likes: 31 Next to the dump that Del Shan... Originally Posted by Remington6MM That's like choosing between a fat girl or an ugly one. Always and I mean always pick the ugly girl! Paul "I'd rather see a sermon than hear a sermon".... D.A.D. Trump Won!, Sandmann Won!, Rittenhouse Won!, Suck it Liberal Fuuktards. molɔ̀ːn labé skýla

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849216 02/23/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 11,059 so cal pal Campfire Outfitter pal Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 11,059 so cal Toyota. "There's more to optics than meets the eye."--anon "...most of us would be better off losing half a pound around the waist than half a pound on our rifle."--dhg

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849223 02/23/17 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,847 Texas R RyanTX Campfire Regular RyanTX Campfire Regular R Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,847 Texas Originally Posted by WayneShaw Which is the better of the two, Dodge or Chevy? Ford is not an option. Need more info than that. Intended use? 1/2, 3/4 or 1 ton? Diesel or gas? around town occasional lumber yard grocery getter? You want a "Cadillac" with a bed on it or just the basics? I bought a new truck 6 months ago, went with 3/4 ton Ram with cummins, 4x4 and mega cab. Part of that decision was based on my experience with my previous truck (Ram with cummins) and with my experience with the other brands that we have at my work. I also drove the other brands, spent a bunch of time in them, and preferred the Ram. But, that's just me. "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same." - Ronald Reagan

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849239 02/23/17 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,324 Likes: 1 NW MT Stormin_Norman Campfire Outfitter Stormin_Norman Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,324 Likes: 1 NW MT Depends, the Duramax is decent as long as your not towing heavy. The GM IFS is like ridding a fat chick on waterbed loaded. Ram rides a bit rougher empty but is way better when towing/hauling heavy. On 1/2 tons, the Ram ride is way better and the 5.7/8 speed is king of the hill in power and economy. GM is better for hauling because of the leaf springs they still use from 1800's wagon builders blueprints I have a 13 ram 3500, my wife has the 15 ram 1500. Her 1500 rides like a Cadillac and is plenty quick with the 400HP 5.7 and 8 speed, while getting 16/21 MPG. If she let me drive it more, I'm sure I'd like it even better . "Life is tough, even tougher if your stupid" John Wayne

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 12344mag #11849243 02/23/17 Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 33,971 VA 2 SC byc Campfire 'Bwana byc Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 33,971 VA 2 SC Originally Posted by 12344mag Originally Posted by Remington6MM That's like choosing between a fat girl or an ugly one. Always and I mean always pick the ugly girl! Hmmmmm…..I dunno. One thing for sure…..choosy fkr's don't fk. Proud to be a true Sandlapper!! Go Nats!!!!

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849246 02/23/17 Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 17,101 G gitem_12 Campfire Ranger gitem_12 Campfire Ranger G Joined: Jun 2012 Posts: 17,101 no way I would look at a new dodge. that's what we have fo fleet vehicles and they are constantly in the shop for motor and tans mission. issues ... I've never had a problem with chevy trucks The government plans these shootings by targeting kids from kindergarten that the government thinks they can control with drugs until the appropriate time--DerbyDude Whatever. Tell the oompa loompa's hey for me. [/quote]. LtPPowell

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck gitem_12 #11849255 02/23/17 Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,518 virginia G gene270 Campfire Tracker gene270 Campfire Tracker G Joined: Sep 2008 Posts: 4,518 virginia the only thing i will say is whichever one you get buy an extended warr. for it ...when something breaks its going to cost you dearly

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck gene270 #11849280 02/23/17 Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 5,493 Delta Junction, Alaska VernAK Campfire Tracker VernAK Campfire Tracker Joined: Jun 2001 Posts: 5,493 Delta Junction, Alaska Had a Studebaker when I was a kid. Good truck for the times.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849281 02/23/17 Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,467 Texas Coast M Mikewriter Campfire Regular Mikewriter Campfire Regular M Joined: Aug 2013 Posts: 2,467 Texas Coast I just traded in a 2010 Ram dually Cummins 4wd on a Ram 1500 Eco-diesel 4wd. Had 2 3/4 Rams with Cummins, had Cummins in my Bertram and ran several others with Cummins. I LIKE Cummins. The 1500, however, rides like a nice car, will get over 30 mph on the highway, average in town, highway and towing a ling trailer is usually about 26. I can park it without needing 4 parking spaces. Miss my big dually, but really like the new truck. Mike [email protected]

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849286 02/23/17 Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 69,698 Likes: 23 Not In The City rockinbbar Campfire Kahuna rockinbbar Campfire Kahuna Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 69,698 Likes: 23 Not In The City Running 2 Ram HD's now. 3/4 ton 4x4, and 1 ton dually 4x4. Both are good vehicles. Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla!

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849289 02/23/17 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,383 Likes: 2 Idaho D drover Campfire Tracker drover Campfire Tracker D Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 6,383 Likes: 2 Idaho I had a 1999 Chev 1500 loaded extended cab, 5.3, 4wd, it was in the shop constantly. I finally traded it in on an identical 2003 (smart, HUH!) well, it was identical alright except it spent even more time in the shop. Finally in 2011 with the Chev's transmission starting to give up I traded again. This time we spent days driving Fords, Chevrolets, and Dodges, it took us over a month to make a decision but we kept coming back to the Dodge 1/2 ton crew cab short box, 5.7, auto, loaded. What a difference - more horsepower, more pulling power, better fuel mileage, great ride - the only truck I have been able to spend 12 hrs or more driving, and at 83000 miles it has never been to the shop for anything except normal service items. I pull a 27 ft bumper pull camper with it and where the Chev engines were working hard to pull it the Dodge 5.7 just loafs along - no muss, no fuss. The down side of the Dodge is that they are not finished off quite as nicely as the Chev's were but I am willing to live with that trade-off. This is the only Dodge pick-up I have owned but when it is time to trade I will be buying another one. A sample of one but I will be trying another one in a couple of years. drover 223 Rem, my favorite cartridge - you can't argue with truckloads of dead PD's and gophers. 24hourcampfire.com - The site where there is a problem for every solution.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Stormin_Norman #11849312 02/23/17 Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 16,733 Likes: 5 Minnesota R Rooster7 Campfire Ranger Rooster7 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Sep 2007 Posts: 16,733 Likes: 5 Minnesota Originally Posted by Stormin_ On 1/2 tons, the Ram ride is way better and the 5.7/8 speed is king of the hill in power and economy. GM is better for hauling because of the leaf springs they still use from 1800's wagon builders blueprints When is the last time you drove a Chevy half ton? Just curious. Last edited by Rooster7; 02/23/17. The deer hunter does not notice the mountains "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve" - Isoroku Yamamoto There sure are a lot of America haters that want to live here...

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849322 02/23/17 Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,972 Northeastern Pennyslvania keystoneben Campfire Regular keystoneben Campfire Regular Joined: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,972 Northeastern Pennyslvania Dodge the father, Ram the daughter

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849329 02/23/17 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 151,876 Likes: 22 Texas hanco Campfire Savant hanco Campfire Savant Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 151,876 Likes: 22 Texas I have a 2004 Dodge Diesel, 160,000 mile on it. Put a water pump on it, that's all. I'm gonna get another Dodge.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849415 02/23/17 Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,951 Likes: 5 Georgia J JMR40 Campfire Outfitter JMR40 Campfire Outfitter J Joined: Feb 2007 Posts: 7,951 Likes: 5 Georgia 1/2 ton! Tundra. Most people don't really want the truth. They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Mikewriter #11849488 02/23/17 Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,588 Southern Oregon L logger Campfire Tracker logger Campfire Tracker L Joined: Jan 2004 Posts: 4,588 Southern Oregon Originally Posted by Mikewriter I just traded in a 2010 Ram dually Cummins 4wd on a Ram 1500 Eco-diesel 4wd. Had 2 3/4 Rams with Cummins, had Cummins in my Bertram and ran several others with Cummins. I LIKE Cummins. The 1500, however, rides like a nice car, will get over 30 mph on the highway, average in town, highway and towing a ling trailer is usually about 26. I can park it without needing 4 parking spaces. Miss my big dually, but really like the new truck. Mike You need more horsepower. Last edited by logger; 02/23/17.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Remington6MM #11849521 02/23/17 Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 8,826 Likes: 6 Central, Texas L LBP Campfire Outfitter LBP Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 8,826 Likes: 6 Central, Texas Originally Posted by Remington6MM That's like choosing between a fat girl or an ugly one. Pick the fat girl, I sure would... Will Munny: It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have. The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming. Will Munny: We all got it coming, kid.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck LBP #11849531 02/23/17 Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 69,698 Likes: 23 Not In The City rockinbbar Campfire Kahuna rockinbbar Campfire Kahuna Joined: Aug 2004 Posts: 69,698 Likes: 23 Not In The City Originally Posted by LBP Originally Posted by Remington6MM That's like choosing between a fat girl or an ugly one. Pick the fat girl, I sure would... Yeah, I think we know that... Personally, I'd go for the ugly one. We'd make good wingmen! Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla!

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Rooster7 #11849569 02/23/17 Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,324 Likes: 1 NW MT Stormin_Norman Campfire Outfitter Stormin_Norman Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,324 Likes: 1 NW MT Originally Posted by Rooster7 Originally Posted by Stormin_ On 1/2 tons, the Ram ride is way better and the 5.7/8 speed is king of the hill in power and economy. GM is better for hauling because of the leaf springs they still use from 1800's wagon builders blueprints When is the last time you drove a Chevy half ton? Just curious. last year, before we bought my wife's new RAM. The GM 1/2 ton 5.3?? didn't hold a candle to the RAM in the power or ride category. The last GM I owned was 1988, giant POS, sold it after a year and never looked backed. "Life is tough, even tougher if your stupid" John Wayne

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck rockinbbar #11849572 02/23/17 Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 8,826 Likes: 6 Central, Texas L LBP Campfire Outfitter LBP Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 8,826 Likes: 6 Central, Texas Originally Posted by rockinbbar Originally Posted by LBP Originally Posted by Remington6MM That's like choosing between a fat girl or an ugly one. Pick the fat girl, I sure would... Yeah, I think we know that... Personally, I'd go for the ugly one. We'd make good wingmen! Hell yeah we would... Will Munny: It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have. The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming. Will Munny: We all got it coming, kid.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck LBP #11849581 02/23/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... Originally Posted by LBP Originally Posted by Remington6MM That's like choosing between a fat girl or an ugly one. Pick the fat girl, I sure would... I saw one yesterday and immediately thought of you. I wanted to take a picture, but no way was I getting caught with that in the lens. Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849582 02/23/17 Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 18,243 North Central Idaho FieldGrade Campfire Ranger FieldGrade Campfire Ranger Joined: Sep 2012 Posts: 18,243 North Central Idaho In true campfire fashion.....Toyota.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Remington6MM #11849587 02/23/17 Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 21,805 Likes: 2 Alvadore, Oregon B BMT Campfire Ranger BMT Campfire Ranger B Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 21,805 Likes: 2 Alvadore, Oregon Originally Posted by Remington6MM That's like choosing between a fat girl or an ugly one. Amen! "The Church can and should help modern society by tirelessly insisting that the work of women in the home be recognized and respected by all in its irreplaceable value." Apostolic Exhortation On The Family, Pope John Paul II

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849598 02/23/17 Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 21,805 Likes: 2 Alvadore, Oregon B BMT Campfire Ranger BMT Campfire Ranger B Joined: Nov 2002 Posts: 21,805 Likes: 2 Alvadore, Oregon Been running dodge caravans and Ford F-250s for 20 years now. Don't see a reason to change "The Church can and should help modern society by tirelessly insisting that the work of women in the home be recognized and respected by all in its irreplaceable value." Apostolic Exhortation On The Family, Pope John Paul II

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849606 02/23/17 Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 448 Arkansas Obi_Wan Campfire Member Obi_Wan Campfire Member Joined: Feb 2015 Posts: 448 Arkansas I just bought a 2016 Ram 1500 with the 5.7L Hemi. Love it. Rides great, lots of power. Really not a dime's worth of difference in any of the 1/2 tons. I like the way the Rams look better than the others and I liked the interior better than the others. Toyota just drinks too much gas. The expert at anything was once a beginner. JC

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849639 02/23/17 Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,741 lapine oregon baltz526 Campfire Regular baltz526 Campfire Regular Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,741 lapine oregon I would buy a 1/2ton short bed 4x4 fleet model. Front leveling kit, Warn grill guard with receiver, A decent set of Cooper tires and 20 years from now do it again. The truck, Might need a few sets of tires in 20 years. The anti American Constitutional party (Democrat). Wants to dismantle your rights, limiting every aspect of your constitutional rights. Death by 1000 cuts is the tactic. Each cut bleeds constitutional rights to control you. Control is the goal.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849679 02/23/17 Joined: Jun 2000 Posts: 11,316 Likes: 14 Los Angeles, California RickBin Campfire Outfitter RickBin Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2000 Posts: 11,316 Likes: 14 Los Angeles, California I have an '03 Duramax with 170K on it that's been real good to me. Stuck an injector at 14K, fixed under warranty. Dealer replaced injectors and glow plugs at 115K for a $500 deductible. I though that was a good deal. I've gone through some ball joints and tie rod ends, but that's partly my fault for not springing for a real lift kit that keeps CV axle and tie rod angles flat. Just got an oil analysis back and the engine is still running great. They suggested I could go 23K miles on this new batch of (synthetic) oil. About due for a tranny/torque converter flush. Yeah I have secondary oil and fuel filtration (since new), and I believe I am reaping the benefits now. I've "built my own" on the mfg websites, and you can get a diesel into $80K territory. That's Porsche money. I hope she goes another 170K. Been a damned good truck. Just got back from ol' Mex with it. "What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives every thing its value. Heaven knows how to put a proper price upon its goods; and it would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as freedom should not be highly rated." Thomas Paine

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849691 02/23/17 Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas ltppowell Campfire Kahuna ltppowell Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas Originally Posted by WayneShaw Which is the better of the two, Dodge or Chevy? Ford is not an option. Chevys are cushy. Dodges are cheap. There's not really any other reason to consider either one and your choice should be obvious, according to your needs. The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849707 02/23/17 Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,731 In my Stomping Grounds Sbrown Campfire Regular Sbrown Campfire Regular Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 1,731 In my Stomping Grounds Tacoma!! “Alive in JESUS!” NRA LIFE MEMBER

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Sbrown #11849733 02/23/17 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 16,405 Likes: 1 Las Vegas NM M mark shubert Campfire Ranger mark shubert Campfire Ranger M Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 16,405 Likes: 1 Las Vegas NM Looked at a 4 door Tundra to replace "The Warden" s GMC. They don't offer it with a long enough bed to haul a gooseneck stock trailer. Deal killer, right there. I've always been a curmudgeon - now I'm an old curmudgeon. ~Molɔ̀ːn Labé Skýla~

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849745 02/23/17 Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,342 Finger Lakes NY fishdog52 Campfire Regular fishdog52 Campfire Regular Joined: Jun 2006 Posts: 2,342 Finger Lakes NY Rented a 1/2 ton Ram in Florida last year. Got rear ended by a Caddie. I drove on home with little more than some scratched metal. I understand that the Caddie was totaled, it surely did not look good. BTW, caddie driver was found to have been on his cell phone. Imagine your grave on a windy winter night. You've been dead for 70 years. It's been 50 since a visitor last paused at your tombstone..... Now explain why you're in a pissy mood today.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Obi_Wan #11849757 02/23/17 Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas ltppowell Campfire Kahuna ltppowell Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas Originally Posted by Obi_Wan I just like the way the Rams look better than the others and I liked the interior better than the others. The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849843 02/23/17 Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 9,099 New Mexico prairie dog shooter Campfire Outfitter prairie dog shooter Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jan 2001 Posts: 9,099 New Mexico I've had four Chevy's over the last 40 years, Swore to my self I wouldn't buy another after the Obama bail out. But this summer I was in need of a new truck after giving my 08 Z71 to my youngest son. I went truck shopping and after looking at every brand and talking to new owners, ended up buying a new Chevy 1500 Z-71. This one has the 6.2 litter engine and 8 speed tyranny. It also has all the bells and whistles. It is the first new truck I've bought that I actually like better than the old one. It's giving me 40% more horse power and 20% better gas mileage. If my memory is accurate, 420 horse power and 450 pounds of torque. Pulling my Winnebago Mini travel trailer over the Colorado mountains from Durango to Silverton is a breeze. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." Edmund Burke 1795 "Give me liberty or give me death" Patrick Henry 1775

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849863 02/23/17 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 4,975 Likes: 9 SE Arizona 4 45_100 Campfire Tracker 45_100 Campfire Tracker 4 Joined: Nov 2011 Posts: 4,975 Likes: 9 SE Arizona Fat girls are said to be warm in the winter and shady in the summer!

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11849872 02/23/17 Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 25,116 Likes: 1 South Carolina MadMooner Campfire Ranger MadMooner Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2007 Posts: 25,116 Likes: 1 South Carolina Dodge is likely better now than they were 15-20 years ago, but I'd still not buy one unless it was a Cummings to haul with. Chevy all day. And always pick the ugly chick. Ugly goes away when the lights go off or ya turn her face down. Fat don't. “Life is life and fun is fun, but it's all so quiet when the goldfish die.”

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck kingston #11849882 02/23/17 Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 8,826 Likes: 6 Central, Texas L LBP Campfire Outfitter LBP Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 8,826 Likes: 6 Central, Texas Originally Posted by kingston Originally Posted by LBP Originally Posted by Remington6MM That's like choosing between a fat girl or an ugly one. Pick the fat girl, I sure would... I saw one yesterday and immediately thought of you. I wanted to take a picture, but no way was I getting caught with that in the lens. Lol Will Munny: It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have. The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming. Will Munny: We all got it coming, kid.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 45_100 #11849889 02/23/17 Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 8,826 Likes: 6 Central, Texas L LBP Campfire Outfitter LBP Campfire Outfitter L Joined: Oct 2010 Posts: 8,826 Likes: 6 Central, Texas Originally Posted by 45_100 Fat girls are said to be warm in the winter and shady in the summer! That's right... Will Munny: It's a hell of a thing, killing a man. Take away all he's got and all he's ever gonna have. The Schofield Kid: Yeah, well, I guess they had it coming. Will Munny: We all got it coming, kid.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck RickBin #11849936 02/23/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... I have an 07 Duramax and a 2016 Duramax, both 2500HDs. The 07 has been worked heavy and hard. I bought it new and it's been a fantastic truck. It's a crew cab long bed and twice as long as a short-bus... I run it modestly PPE tuned, with a 4" down pipe back exhaust (no kitty), shimmed fuel rail, EGR blocked, PPE boost, AirDog 150 lift pump filter and water separator, controller, Frederico solid front and rear sway bars, I swapped in a 1-Ton DRW spring packs, overload packs and overload frame perches, Kurt Class 5 hitch, B&W Gooseneck hitch. The 2016 is a freakin' Cadillac. The new GM truck interiors are phenomenal. They've got tons of storage, lots of little cubbies, no space is wasted. The center console is cavernous and has built in file hanger tracks! My only real complaints are with the way they've programmed the electro-over-hydraulic steering and the rear seat configuration when folded up against the rear of the cab. While the former will hopefully be rectified by a software update, the latter is subjective. Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11850331 02/23/17 Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 15,885 Likes: 1 N. La. Oldman03 Campfire Ranger Oldman03 Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2009 Posts: 15,885 Likes: 1 N. La. Wouldn't own a Government Motors Old Turd- Deplorable- Unrepentant Murderer- Domestic Violent Extremist Just "Campfire Riffraff and Trash" This will be my last post! Flave 1/3/21

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11850370 02/23/17 Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 28,875 Likes: 1 Grants Pass,OR Ringman Campfire Ranger Ringman Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 28,875 Likes: 1 Grants Pass,OR Originally Posted by WayneShaw Which is the better of the two, Dodge or Chevy? Ford is not an option. Like you I was not considering a Ford at all. I looked at Toyota, Dodge, Chevy, and finally the Ford. If/when I buy it will be a Ford 150 4X4. "Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation." Everyday Hunter

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck VernAK #11850386 02/23/17 Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 18,994 OZARK Foothills B BOWSINGER Campfire Ranger BOWSINGER Campfire Ranger B Joined: Mar 2008 Posts: 18,994 OZARK Foothills Originally Posted by VernAK Had a Studebaker when I was a kid. Good truck for the times. We did too... Leo of the Land of Dyr NRA FOR LIFE I MISS SARAH “In Trump We Trust.” Right???? SOMEBODY please tell TRH that Netanyahu NEVER said "Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away."

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11850390 02/23/17 Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,693 Likes: 4 Fairbanksan in Aleutian Hell stevelyn Campfire Ranger stevelyn Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2005 Posts: 15,693 Likes: 4 Fairbanksan in Aleutian Hell I will never drive a GM product bought with my own money. Z

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11850405 02/23/17 Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 8,662 back home in Potter Co. PA O old_willys Campfire Outfitter old_willys Campfire Outfitter O Joined: Apr 2008 Posts: 8,662 back home in Potter Co. PA Just past 307k miles on my 04 Dodge 4x4, I purchased it new dec 2003 and run the snot out of it every chance I get. The little 4.7 V8 always got poor gas mileage but it is all original and still purring. Ted

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11850415 02/23/17 Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,376 L Lucas1 Campfire Regular Lucas1 Campfire Regular L Joined: Nov 2014 Posts: 1,376 When I was a kid I always wondered why my dad and my uncle would beat on the dash of their Chevys trying to find rattles. After owning three of them I now know. I am currently driving a 2015 Nissan. No rattles yet at 32,000 miles.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11850611 02/23/17 Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,220 VA W WayneShaw OP Campfire Tracker OP WayneShaw Campfire Tracker W Joined: Oct 2008 Posts: 4,220 VA OK, I have a '05 Dodge Cummins 2500HD. It's not going anywhere. I will say though, the A/C in this model truck leaves a lot to be desired. There are common duct/door problems, which I have not had, but the design really hampers the A/C. What I'm considering is replacing my '02 Chevy. Bought it new, 2WD, 4.3. It has been almost trouble free. I did have to replace the intake gasket last year, common problem on that engine. But, looking ahead of getting something new before I retire. My Dodge is a 4WD, so for this truck it would be a 2WD commuter type. I like an extended cab and a short bed is fine too.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Oldman03 #11850666 02/23/17 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 19,110 Arkansas milespatton Campfire Ranger milespatton Campfire Ranger Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 19,110 Arkansas Quote Wouldn't own a Government Motors My thoughts too. After the deal that Obama cut with the Unions and left the stockholders hanging, I will never own another GM product. And I had no GM stock. miles Look out for number 1, don't step in number 2.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11850687 02/23/17 Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 6,457 Mountains of Central PA Terryk Campfire Tracker Terryk Campfire Tracker Joined: Feb 2013 Posts: 6,457 Mountains of Central PA Toyota is the most American. GM is corrupt, Dodge has poor track record.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11850809 02/23/17 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 12,194 Likes: 7 O Orion2000 Campfire Outfitter Orion2000 Campfire Outfitter O Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 12,194 Likes: 7 Have a friend who runs the service shop for a construction company. Total of 80 trucks in his fleet from 1/2 ton to 80K GVW that get used and abused everyday. Asked him what he would buy for a 3/4 ton 4WD farm truck. He said out of the current new model trucks, hands down, the new Chevy/GMC with 6.0 or 6.2 liter gas motor with the 8 speed trans. He spends 55-60 hours per week working on trucks. For a "work truck", the current GM gas motor trucks give him the least head ache and cost the least total $$$'s to keep on the job.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11850908 02/23/17 Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,047 Alabama AMRA Campfire Regular AMRA Campfire Regular Joined: Apr 2006 Posts: 2,047 Alabama Toyota Molan Labe

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11850932 02/23/17 Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 7,870 The RED part of MD S StoneCutter Campfire Outfitter StoneCutter Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Jan 2015 Posts: 7,870 The RED part of MD I get a new truck every 5 years and I'm in the process of ordering a 2017. My brother married into a family that owns a bunch of car dealerships. I've always driven a GMC. When I was a kid, I worked at their Buick-GMC dealership for a couple of years. It drives my brother crazy because he's the GM at the Ford dealership. I drive a 2500HD Crew Cab. In 2007, GM messed with the suspension and it was the first year for the 6 speed trans. That was the worst truck I've ever owned. The trans didn't work right and it rode like a piece of crap. It was so bad that in 2012 I almost bought a Ford. I ended up getting a GMC instead and they've reworked everything and it is probably the best truck I've ever owned. It rides like a Cadillac. There's nothing wrong with a Ford though. I've rented them before and they're really nice. It's just a different flavor. The only problem I see is the durability of the aluminum body. I think that if you add a spray in liner and a rubber mat, it should be fine. I do that anyway. I'm not a fan of Diamler Chrysler products even though I've got 5 Freightliners. They have their issues. "Government is not the solution to our problem, government is the problem." Ronald Reagan

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11850951 02/23/17 Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 709 Northwest Wisconsin R rondrews Campfire Regular rondrews Campfire Regular R Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 709 Northwest Wisconsin Had quite a few trucks in my time. I bought a new Chev Colorado in 2015. Best truck I ever owned. It's supposed to be a mid-size, but it is only a couple of inches smaller than an F-150. 27 MPG on the highway. With the front seat back all the way, I have a hard time reaching the gas pedal, and I am 6 ft. tall. Can't rate a Dodge. Never had a Dodge truck. Had a Dodge once, but it was a Station wagon and I junked it when the gas tank fell off on the road. To be fair that was a long time ago. Better to be over the hill than under it.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11851030 02/24/17 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,494 Alaska R rost495 Campfire Kahuna rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,494 Alaska I have not bought a GM product since the late 90s. From about 83 or so onward every GM thing we had was junk. Went wtih ford since and have been rarely wrong there. Since ford is not an option, I don't have anything bad to say about dodge from friends that have them lately. Other than fuel mileage. Nephew bought a cummins 2 or so years ago, mega cab thing... best he could get was 8mpg. That sucks. My stroker will get 15-18 loaded or not at least. We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck StoneCutter #11851035 02/24/17 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,494 Alaska R rost495 Campfire Kahuna rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,494 Alaska Originally Posted by StoneCutter I get a new truck every 5 years and I'm in the process of ordering a 2017. My brother married into a family that owns a bunch of car dealerships. I've always driven a GMC. When I was a kid, I worked at their Buick-GMC dealership for a couple of years. It drives my brother crazy because he's the GM at the Ford dealership. I drive a 2500HD Crew Cab. In 2007, GM messed with the suspension and it was the first year for the 6 speed trans. That was the worst truck I've ever owned. The trans didn't work right and it rode like a piece of crap. It was so bad that in 2012 I almost bought a Ford. I ended up getting a GMC instead and they've reworked everything and it is probably the best truck I've ever owned. It rides like a Cadillac. There's nothing wrong with a Ford though. I've rented them before and they're really nice. It's just a different flavor. The only problem I see is the durability of the aluminum body. I think that if you add a spray in liner and a rubber mat, it should be fine. I do that anyway. I'm not a fan of Diamler Chrysler products even though I've got 5 Freightliners. They have their issues. Durability of the AL is just a GM false advertising thing you see. In reality it won't be bad for 99% of uses... 3 of my boats are AL and the airboat takes severe abuse and rarely has an issue, maybe a ding, but never a puncture.... We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck rost495 #11851101 02/24/17 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,847 Texas R RyanTX Campfire Regular RyanTX Campfire Regular R Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,847 Texas Originally Posted by rost495 Nephew bought a cummins 2 or so years ago, mega cab thing... best he could get was 8mpg. That sucks. Loaded or empty? My '16 gets 15 around town, but about 10mpg pulling the 5th wheel. It gets close to 20 empty hwy and 14-15 with most lighter trailers. "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same." - Ronald Reagan

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Orion2000 #11851275 02/24/17 Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 28,875 Likes: 1 Grants Pass,OR Ringman Campfire Ranger Ringman Campfire Ranger Joined: Nov 2003 Posts: 28,875 Likes: 1 Grants Pass,OR Originally Posted by Orion2000 Have a friend who runs the service shop for a construction company. Total of 80 trucks in his fleet from 1/2 ton to 80K GVW that get used and abused everyday. Asked him what he would buy for a 3/4 ton 4WD farm truck. He said out of the current new model trucks, hands down, the new Chevy/GMC with 6.0 or 6.2 liter gas motor with the 8 speed trans. He spends 55-60 hours per week working on trucks. For a "work truck", the current GM gas motor trucks give him the least head ache and cost the least total $$$'s to keep on the job. My cousin has three trucks he runs in his business. When he started he was friends with the local Chevy dealer so he bought three Chevys. They were in the shop a lot. At the end of three years he sold them and got Toyotas. They were never in the shop and at the end of three years they had better resale value. He's been running Toyotas trouble free for years. I had three Chevys. My 1970 was so bad at eating starters I finally installed slip tips on the truck wires and did the same for the starter before I stuck into where it was bolted in. The 1974 was in the shop thirteen times in its first 10,000 miles. I got rid of it. The I got a 1999. I ran it for 126,000 miles. In that time it needed three water pump replacements, three power steering pump replacements, the entire 4X4 computer system replaced, and one rear brake because of faulty factory workmanship. When I remembered this I left the Chevy dealer. He called and asked about it. So I told him. He won't be calling again. "Only Christ is the fullness of God's revelation." Everyday Hunter

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck RyanTX #11851297 02/24/17 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,494 Alaska R rost495 Campfire Kahuna rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,494 Alaska Originally Posted by RyanTX Originally Posted by rost495 Nephew bought a cummins 2 or so years ago, mega cab thing... best he could get was 8mpg. That sucks. Loaded or empty? My '16 gets 15 around town, but about 10mpg pulling the 5th wheel. It gets close to 20 empty hwy and 14-15 with most lighter trailers. Don't know that he's ever had it loaded yet.... was a stupid purchase but it is what it is. We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Ringman #11851311 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 11,059 so cal pal Campfire Outfitter pal Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 11,059 so cal My 4x4 GMC Yukon and Suburban were by far the most expensive to maintain vehicles I've owned, due to premature failure of parts. "There's more to optics than meets the eye."--anon "...most of us would be better off losing half a pound around the waist than half a pound on our rifle."--dhg

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11851314 02/24/17 Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 14,731 Likes: 2 Northeast Louisiana S Sharpsman Campfire Outfitter Sharpsman Campfire Outfitter S Joined: Apr 2010 Posts: 14,731 Likes: 2 Northeast Louisiana I'd buy a Dodge!! Even birds know not to land downwind!

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck rost495 #11851322 02/24/17 Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,847 Texas R RyanTX Campfire Regular RyanTX Campfire Regular R Joined: Nov 2005 Posts: 2,847 Texas Originally Posted by rost495 Originally Posted by RyanTX Originally Posted by rost495 Nephew bought a cummins 2 or so years ago, mega cab thing... best he could get was 8mpg. That sucks. Loaded or empty? My '16 gets 15 around town, but about 10mpg pulling the 5th wheel. It gets close to 20 empty hwy and 14-15 with most lighter trailers. Don't know that he's ever had it loaded yet.... was a stupid purchase but it is what it is. Seems like sometimes you just get a vehicle that's weird that way. We've got a 2010 Chevy here at work with the 5.3. That thing has never gotten better than 11 mpg even on the highway. We've had it in the shop numerous times and they can't find a reason why. We have two other similar configurations and they'll get close to 21 hwy. Wife had a 99 suburban with the vortec 350 that would only get 9 around town. and 15 hwy. Others were getting 15/22. Who knows with some. "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. We didn't pass it to our children in the bloodstream. It must be fought for, protected, and handed on for them to do the same." - Ronald Reagan

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck milespatton #11851432 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by milespatton Quote Wouldn't own a Government Motors My thoughts too. After the deal that Obama cut with the Unions and left the stockholders hanging, I will never own another GM product. And I had no GM stock. miles Even though the deal was entirely done by Obama and his minions, you choose to blame GM. Got it.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Terryk #11851438 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by Terryk Toyota is the most American. GM is corrupt, Dodge has poor track record. Sending profits to Japan is American. News to me.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11851463 02/24/17 Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 151,876 Likes: 22 Texas hanco Campfire Savant hanco Campfire Savant Joined: Apr 2011 Posts: 151,876 Likes: 22 Texas This thread is making me think about a new one!

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851468 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by Terryk Toyota is the most American. GM is corrupt, Dodge has poor track record. Sending profits to Japan is American. News to me. Internationally traded company, and the highest percentage manufactured in the US. You've lost this argument many times over, even as you continue to shill for the UAW. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851473 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by milespatton Quote Wouldn't own a Government Motors My thoughts too. After the deal that Obama cut with the Unions and left the stockholders hanging, I will never own another GM product. And I had no GM stock. miles Even though the deal was entirely done by Obama and his minions, you choose to blame GM. Got it. Considering it was a payoff to the GM UAW, and GM begged for it, in addition to having their charge holders and the taxpayers (but not the UAW) screwed by it; yep, f'k'm. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11851509 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger tex_n_cal Campfire Ranger Joined: Dec 2002 Posts: 22,274 Back in Texas, for good! As a longtime Ford owner, Dodge would be a pretty easy 2nd choice. One, the Chevys with the square wheel wells look goofy. Two, I think Dodge understands trucks need to be durable. I don't think the 6.7 Cummins is as refined as the 6.7 Powerstroke, but it's not far behind. Heck, may even get better fuel economy. When my Jeep lease is over I may seriously consider an Ecodiesel for a company car. Last edited by tex_n_cal; 02/24/17. "...the designer of the .270 Ingwe cartridge!..."

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck hanco #11851520 02/24/17 Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 14,370 Tuolumne M Middlefork_Miner Campfire Outfitter Middlefork_Miner Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jun 2007 Posts: 14,370 Tuolumne Originally Posted by hanco This thread is making me think about a new one! Better yet, if you're capable, buy an older one and rebuild from the ground up. Minus all the sensors, relays and other electronic schitt that you'll find in todays vehicles.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851521 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by Terryk Toyota is the most American. GM is corrupt, Dodge has poor track record. Sending profits to Japan is American. News to me. Internationally traded company, and the highest percentage manufactured in the US. You've lost this argument many times over, even as you continue to shill for the UAW. Internationally traded company? Not in the USA. And I've yet to loose this argument, as you'll soon find out.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851526 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by milespatton Quote Wouldn't own a Government Motors My thoughts too. After the deal that Obama cut with the Unions and left the stockholders hanging, I will never own another GM product. And I had no GM stock. miles Even though the deal was entirely done by Obama and his minions, you choose to blame GM. Got it. Considering it was a payoff to the GM UAW, and GM begged for it, in addition to having their charge holders and the taxpayers (but not the UAW) screwed by it; yep, f'k'm. Obama's payoff to the UAW. GM didn't beg for what they got.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851538 02/24/17 Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 46,745 Just The Tip T tzone Campfire 'Bwana tzone Campfire 'Bwana T Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 46,745 Just The Tip Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by milespatton Quote Wouldn't own a Government Motors My thoughts too. After the deal that Obama cut with the Unions and left the stockholders hanging, I will never own another GM product. And I had no GM stock. miles Even though the deal was entirely done by Obama and his minions, you choose to blame GM. Got it. Considering it was a payoff to the GM UAW, and GM begged for it, in addition to having their charge holders and the taxpayers (but not the UAW) screwed by it; yep, f'k'm. Obama's payoff to the UAW. GM didn't beg for what they got. You're a clown and you continue to prove it. Camp is where you make it.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck tzone #11851576 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Quote You're a clown and you continue to prove it. And names will never hurt me. Do you have something factual you'd like to add? Apparently not, so allow me. Last year was the biggest truck sales year in a decade or so. Ford sold 820,799 F series in the U.S., up from 780,354 in 2015. Click Here For the Toyota Tundra, again in the biggest truck sales market in a decade, sold 115,489 ugly Tundras. That is DOWN from 118,880 the previous year. How do you sell fewer Tundras in such a hot truck market? Easy, by not updating your product in 10 YEARS! And for 2018, Toyota is content to simply refresh the same old Tundra one more time rather than come out with a new product. Click Here

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851588 02/24/17 Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 16,272 Likes: 1 A add Campfire Ranger add Campfire Ranger A Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 16,272 Likes: 1 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by Terryk Toyota is the most American. GM is corrupt, Dodge has poor track record. Sending profits to Japan is American. News to me. Internationally traded company, and the highest percentage manufactured in the US. You've lost this argument many times over, even as you continue to shill for the UAW. And I've yet to loose this argument, as you'll soon find out. No further citation needed. Epstein didn't kill himself. "Play Cinnamon Girl you Sonuvabitch!" Biden didn't win the election.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851590 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Quote You're a clown and you continue to prove it. And names will never hurt me. Do you have something factual you'd like to add? Apparently not, so allow me. Last year was the biggest truck sales year in a decade or so. Ford sold 820,799 F series in the U.S., up from 780,354 in 2015. Click Here For the Toyota Tundra, again in the biggest truck sales market in a decade, sold 115,489 ugly Tundras. That is DOWN from 118,880 the previous year. How do you sell fewer Tundras in such a hot truck market? Easy, by not updating your product in 10 YEARS! And for 2018, Toyota is content to simply refresh the same old Tundra one more time rather than come out with a new product. Click Here Considering Toyotas don't wear out or break as often, they don't need to be replaced as often. This coming from a fan of both Ford and Toyota. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851592 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by Terryk Toyota is the most American. GM is corrupt, Dodge has poor track record. Sending profits to Japan is American. News to me. Internationally traded company, and the highest percentage manufactured in the US. You've lost this argument many times over, even as you continue to shill for the UAW. Internationally traded company? Not in the USA. And I've yet to loose this argument, as you'll soon find out. Yeah, you have - multiple times. You still haven't figured out what an ADR is, but TM (Toyota Motor Company) is actively traded on the NYSE, using an ADR for currency exchange. You lose. Again. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851597 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Quote You're a clown and you continue to prove it. And names will never hurt me. Do you have something factual you'd like to add? Apparently not, so allow me. Last year was the biggest truck sales year in a decade or so. Ford sold 820,799 F series in the U.S., up from 780,354 in 2015. Click Here For the Toyota Tundra, again in the biggest truck sales market in a decade, sold 115,489 ugly Tundras. That is DOWN from 118,880 the previous year. How do you sell fewer Tundras in such a hot truck market? Easy, by not updating your product in 10 YEARS! And for 2018, Toyota is content to simply refresh the same old Tundra one more time rather than come out with a new product. Click Here Considering Toyotas don't wear out or break as often, they don't need to be replaced as often. This coming from a fan of both Ford and Toyota. Sure, because they're used by metrosexuals to go to the mall, while Ford's do the work. When is the last time you saw an ugly Tundra with a ladder rack on it? I rest my case.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851599 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Quote You're a clown and you continue to prove it. And names will never hurt me. Do you have something factual you'd like to add? Apparently not, so allow me. Last year was the biggest truck sales year in a decade or so. Ford sold 820,799 F series in the U.S., up from 780,354 in 2015. Click Here For the Toyota Tundra, again in the biggest truck sales market in a decade, sold 115,489 ugly Tundras. That is DOWN from 118,880 the previous year. How do you sell fewer Tundras in such a hot truck market? Easy, by not updating your product in 10 YEARS! And for 2018, Toyota is content to simply refresh the same old Tundra one more time rather than come out with a new product. Click Here Of course names won't hurt you; you sold out to the UAW long ago, and have no pride left to hurt. They, and the Ds they support/buy OWN you, and you pay for leftist, anti-American POS like Hussein and Hitlery with every paycheck. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851601 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Quote You're a clown and you continue to prove it. And names will never hurt me. Do you have something factual you'd like to add? Apparently not, so allow me. Last year was the biggest truck sales year in a decade or so. Ford sold 820,799 F series in the U.S., up from 780,354 in 2015. Click Here For the Toyota Tundra, again in the biggest truck sales market in a decade, sold 115,489 ugly Tundras. That is DOWN from 118,880 the previous year. How do you sell fewer Tundras in such a hot truck market? Easy, by not updating your product in 10 YEARS! And for 2018, Toyota is content to simply refresh the same old Tundra one more time rather than come out with a new product. Click Here Considering Toyotas don't wear out or break as often, they don't need to be replaced as often. This coming from a fan of both Ford and Toyota. Sure, because they're used by metrosexuals to go to the mall, while Ford's do the work. When is the last time you saw an ugly Tundra with a ladder rack on it? I rest my case. About a dozen said trucks, with racks, today. More than Gov'tMotors trucks, for sure. When's the last time you didn't send money, monthly, to the DNC? Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851611 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Quote You're a clown and you continue to prove it. And names will never hurt me. Do you have something factual you'd like to add? Apparently not, so allow me. Last year was the biggest truck sales year in a decade or so. Ford sold 820,799 F series in the U.S., up from 780,354 in 2015. Click Here For the Toyota Tundra, again in the biggest truck sales market in a decade, sold 115,489 ugly Tundras. That is DOWN from 118,880 the previous year. How do you sell fewer Tundras in such a hot truck market? Easy, by not updating your product in 10 YEARS! And for 2018, Toyota is content to simply refresh the same old Tundra one more time rather than come out with a new product. Click Here Of course names won't hurt you; you sold out to the UAW long ago, and have no pride left to hurt. They, and the Ds they support/buy OWN you, and you pay for leftist, anti-American POS like Hussein and Hitlery with every paycheck. Uh, never worked for a union and never voted democrat. You see, we're trying to deal in facts here and it would be best if you didn't make stuff up.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851620 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Quote You're a clown and you continue to prove it. And names will never hurt me. Do you have something factual you'd like to add? Apparently not, so allow me. Last year was the biggest truck sales year in a decade or so. Ford sold 820,799 F series in the U.S., up from 780,354 in 2015. Click Here For the Toyota Tundra, again in the biggest truck sales market in a decade, sold 115,489 ugly Tundras. That is DOWN from 118,880 the previous year. How do you sell fewer Tundras in such a hot truck market? Easy, by not updating your product in 10 YEARS! And for 2018, Toyota is content to simply refresh the same old Tundra one more time rather than come out with a new product. Click Here Considering Toyotas don't wear out or break as often, they don't need to be replaced as often. This coming from a fan of both Ford and Toyota. Sure, because they're used by metrosexuals to go to the mall, while Ford's do the work. When is the last time you saw an ugly Tundra with a ladder rack on it? I rest my case. About a dozen said trucks, with racks, today. More than Gov'tMotors trucks, for sure. When's the last time you didn't send money, monthly, to the DNC? But you don't have any photos. Again, try to deal in reality here, not fantasy. Tundra's are not used as work trucks.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851625 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Quote You're a clown and you continue to prove it. And names will never hurt me. Do you have something factual you'd like to add? Apparently not, so allow me. Last year was the biggest truck sales year in a decade or so. Ford sold 820,799 F series in the U.S., up from 780,354 in 2015. Click Here For the Toyota Tundra, again in the biggest truck sales market in a decade, sold 115,489 ugly Tundras. That is DOWN from 118,880 the previous year. How do you sell fewer Tundras in such a hot truck market? Easy, by not updating your product in 10 YEARS! And for 2018, Toyota is content to simply refresh the same old Tundra one more time rather than come out with a new product. Click Here Of course names won't hurt you; you sold out to the UAW long ago, and have no pride left to hurt. They, and the Ds they support/buy OWN you, and you pay for leftist, anti-American POS like Hussein and Hitlery with every paycheck. Uh, never worked for a union and never voted democrat. You see, we're trying to deal in facts here and it would be best if you didn't make stuff up. Ah, I stand corrected. I thought you were a union shill, as that is the only understandable reason for your myopia. Seeing that you have no reason that makes any sense at all now, please carry on. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11851627 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager [quote=walt501] Quote You're a clown and you continue to prove it. And names will never hurt me. Do you have something factual you'd like to add? Apparently not, so allow me. Last year was the biggest truck sales year in a decade or so. Ford sold 820,799 F series in the U.S., up from 780,354 in 2015. Click Here For the Toyota Tundra, again in the biggest truck sales market in a decade, sold 115,489 ugly Tundras. That is DOWN from 118,880 the previous year. How do you sell fewer Tundras in such a hot truck market? Easy, by not updating your product in 10 YEARS! And for 2018, Toyota is content to simply refresh the same old Tundra one more time rather than come out with a new product. Click Here Considering Toyotas don't wear out or break as often, they don't need to be replaced as often. This coming from a fan of both Ford and Toyota. Sure, because they're used by metrosexuals to go to the mall, while Ford's do the work. When is the last time you saw an ugly Tundra with a ladder rack on it? I rest my case. About a dozen said trucks, with racks, today. More than Gov'tMotors trucks, for sure. When's the last time you didn't send money, monthly, to the DNC? [/quote But you don't have any photos. Again, try to deal in reality here, not fantasy. Tundra's are not used as work trucks. Yeah, I'm going to take pics of random construction and contractor work trucks on a daily basis. You're nuts. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851649 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by Terryk Toyota is the most American. GM is corrupt, Dodge has poor track record. Sending profits to Japan is American. News to me. Internationally traded company, and the highest percentage manufactured in the US. You've lost this argument many times over, even as you continue to shill for the UAW. Internationally traded company? Not in the USA. And I've yet to loose this argument, as you'll soon find out. Yeah, you have - multiple times. You still haven't figured out what an ADR is, but TM (Toyota Motor Company) is actively traded on the NYSE, using an ADR for currency exchange. You lose. Again. Really, I loose again? Not so fast. Actually, I do know what an ADR is because I dealt with them for decades. It stands for American Depository receipt, where banks hold actual shares of a foreign company and reissue shares denominated in US dollars. So no, Toyota doesn't trade on the NYSE or any other American exchange. Why? Because listing on our exchanges would require Toyota to abide by exchange rules, including opening the books to U.S. regulators. Wouldn't want that, now would we? Shall we look at company ownership next and see which company benefits America most? I'm beginning to think some here haven't been listening to President Trump's message. If you had, you'd never buy Japanese. Last edited by walt501; 02/24/17.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11851658 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 [quote=Terryk]Toyota is the most American. GM is corrupt, Dodge has poor track record. Sending profits to Japan is American. News to me. Internationally traded company, and the highest percentage manufactured in the US. You've lost this argument many times over, even as you continue to shill for the UAW. Internationally traded company? Not in the USA. And I've yet to loose this argument, as you'll soon find out. [/quote Yeah, you have - multiple times. You still haven't figured out what an ADR is, but TM (Toyota Motor Company) is actively traded on the NYSE, using an ADR for currency exchange. You lose. Again. Really, I loose again? Not so fast. Actually, I do know what an ADR is because I dealt with them for decades. It stands for American Depository receipt, where banks hold actual shares of a foreign company and reissue shares denominated in US dollars. So no, Toyota doesn't trade on the NYSE or any other American exchange. Why? Because listing on our exchanges would require Toyota to abide by exchange rules, including opening the books to U.S. regulators. Wouldn't want that, now would we? Shall we look at company ownership next and see which company benefits America most? I'm beginning to think some here haven't been listening to President Trump's message. If you had, you'd never buy Japanese. Yep, you just proved you don't know what you're talking about - agin. Thanks for playing. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851676 02/24/17 Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 16,272 Likes: 1 A add Campfire Ranger add Campfire Ranger A Joined: Feb 2009 Posts: 16,272 Likes: 1 Originally Posted by walt501 Really, I loose again? Yes, repeatedly. Epstein didn't kill himself. "Play Cinnamon Girl you Sonuvabitch!" Biden didn't win the election.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851678 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Quote Yep, you just proved you don't know what you're talking about - agin. Thanks for playing. So go ahead, prove me wrong. Hurry up, I'll give you a chance to research it, before I prove who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck add #11851683 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by add Originally Posted by walt501 Really, I loose again? Yes, repeatedly. Have anything rational to add there, ADD? Apparently not.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851697 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Quote Yep, you just proved you don't know what you're talking about - agin. Thanks for playing. So go ahead, prove me wrong. Hurry up, I'll give you a chance to research it, before I prove who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't. Cross-listed stocks, those listed on more than one international exchange, do so via ADRs in the US and their equivalent on international markets for currency exchange reasons. Those listed stocks meet all requirements and regulations for the listing markets. If you had a clue, you'd know this. You don't, and it's obvious. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851704 02/24/17 Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 46,745 Just The Tip T tzone Campfire 'Bwana tzone Campfire 'Bwana T Joined: Feb 2004 Posts: 46,745 Just The Tip Originally Posted by walt501 Quote You're a clown and you continue to prove it. And names will never hurt me. Do you have something factual you'd like to add? Apparently not, so allow me. Last year was the biggest truck sales year in a decade or so. Ford sold 820,799 F series in the U.S., up from 780,354 in 2015. Click Here For the Toyota Tundra, again in the biggest truck sales market in a decade, sold 115,489 ugly Tundras. That is DOWN from 118,880 the previous year. How do you sell fewer Tundras in such a hot truck market? Easy, by not updating your product in 10 YEARS! And for 2018, Toyota is content to simply refresh the same old Tundra one more time rather than come out with a new product. Click Here What do you want me to prove? That Toyota isn't publicly traded? I don't have a toyota, but it's not hard to figure out. Camp is where you make it.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851719 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Quote Yep, you just proved you don't know what you're talking about - agin. Thanks for playing. So go ahead, prove me wrong. Hurry up, I'll give you a chance to research it, before I prove who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't. Cross-listed stocks, those listed on more than one international exchange, do so via ADRs in the US and their equivalent on international markets for currency exchange reasons. Those listed stocks meet all requirements and regulations for the listing markets. If you had a clue, you'd know this. You don't, and it's obvious. Nice play on words. Yes, they meet all requirements for LISTED stocks. ADR's are not the same as a listing and thus no information outside of what the company voluntarily discloses plus one annual report is required. That is not opening the books to U.S. regulators. Click Here Thanks for proving my point. Last edited by walt501; 02/24/17.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck tzone #11851725 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by tzone Originally Posted by walt501 Quote You're a clown and you continue to prove it. And names will never hurt me. Do you have something factual you'd like to add? Apparently not, so allow me. Last year was the biggest truck sales year in a decade or so. Ford sold 820,799 F series in the U.S., up from 780,354 in 2015. Click Here For the Toyota Tundra, again in the biggest truck sales market in a decade, sold 115,489 ugly Tundras. That is DOWN from 118,880 the previous year. How do you sell fewer Tundras in such a hot truck market? Easy, by not updating your product in 10 YEARS! And for 2018, Toyota is content to simply refresh the same old Tundra one more time rather than come out with a new product. Click Here What do you want me to prove? That Toyota isn't publicly traded? I don't have a toyota, but it's not hard to figure out. Toyota ADR's are publicly traded, not Toyota stock. Big difference. Keep reading and you'll learn something.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851755 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Quote Yep, you just proved you don't know what you're talking about - agin. Thanks for playing. So go ahead, prove me wrong. Hurry up, I'll give you a chance to research it, before I prove who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't. Cross-listed stocks, those listed on more than one international exchange, do so via ADRs in the US and their equivalent on international markets for currency exchange reasons. Those listed stocks meet all requirements and regulations for the listing markets. If you had a clue, you'd know this. You don't, and it's obvious. Nice play on words. Yes, they meet all requirements for LISTED stocks. ADR's are not the same as a listing and thus no information outside of what the company voluntarily discloses plus one annual report is required. That is not opening the books to U.S. regulators. Click Here Thanks for proving my point. Ya stupid f'k, ADRs are how foreign based cross listed companies are listed on the NYSE, and their equivalent are how US (or other not-same-nation-based as the exchange) companies are listed on other international exchanges. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851764 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Quote Yep, you just proved you don't know what you're talking about - agin. Thanks for playing. So go ahead, prove me wrong. Hurry up, I'll give you a chance to research it, before I prove who knows what they're talking about and who doesn't. Cross-listed stocks, those listed on more than one international exchange, do so via ADRs in the US and their equivalent on international markets for currency exchange reasons. Those listed stocks meet all requirements and regulations for the listing markets. If you had a clue, you'd know this. You don't, and it's obvious. Nice play on words. Yes, they meet all requirements for LISTED stocks. ADR's are not the same as a listing and thus no information outside of what the company voluntarily discloses plus one annual report is required. That is not opening the books to U.S. regulators. Click Here Thanks for proving my point. Ya stupid f'k, ADRs are how foreign based cross listed companies are listed on the NYSE, and their equivalent are how US (or other not-same-nation-based as the exchange) companies are listed on other international exchanges. You keep saying that, but do you have any proof? You know, a link to an outside source to back up your claim?

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11851766 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 https://www.sec.gov/answers/adrs.htm ADRs are exchangeable for the stock they represent, and are offered by the Us banks that handle them for currency purposes. Last edited by 4ager; 02/24/17. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851774 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager https://www.sec.gov/answers/adrs.htm ADRs are exchangeable for the stock they represent, and are offered by the Us banks that handle them for currency purposes. Not arguing what ADR's are, just that they're not the same as a listing on our stock exchanges because they don't follow our regulatory rules, which I have already referenced. So far, no one has proved me wrong on that point. Last edited by walt501; 02/24/17.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11851776 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 While you are busy Googling stuff up, and finding out you're losing (hint) again, try "Global Depository Receipts". Thanks for playing! Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851779 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager https://www.sec.gov/answers/adrs.htm ADRs are exchangeable for the stock they represent, and are offered by the Us banks that handle them for currency purposes. Not arguing what ADR's are, just that they're not the same as a listing on our stock exchanges because they don't follow our regulatory rules, which I have already referenced. So far, no one has proved me that point. If you can READ, the link provided states that those stocks listed as ADRs are fully subject to SEC regulation. That would mean our regulatory rules, in case your utter stupidity cannot connect the dots. Toyota is specifically mentioned. https://www.fool.com/amp/investing/...you-need-to-know-before-buying-fore.aspx Last edited by 4ager; 02/24/17. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851783 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager While you are busy Googling stuff up, and finding out you're losing (hint) again, try "Global Depository Receipts". Thanks for playing! I thought we were talking about Toyota ADR's listed on the NYSE and how they don't offer investors the same level of regulatory oversight as actual common stock listed on out exchanges. So far, no one has refuted what I have said here but by all means, keep trying.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851789 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager While you are busy Googling stuff up, and finding out you're losing (hint) again, try "Global Depository Receipts". Thanks for playing! I thought we were talking about Toyota ADR's listed on the NYSE and how they don't offer investors the same level of regulatory oversight as actual common stock listed on out exchanges. So far, no one has refuted what I have said here but by all means, keep trying. Just stuffed that line of horsechit back up your ass. Enjoy! https://www.investingdaily.com/19317/adrs-make-global-investing-easy/ Last edited by 4ager; 02/24/17. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851793 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager While you are busy Googling stuff up, and finding out you're losing (hint) again, try "Global Depository Receipts". Thanks for playing! I thought we were talking about Toyota ADR's listed on the NYSE and how they don't offer investors the same level of regulatory oversight as actual common stock listed on out exchanges. So far, no one has refuted what I have said here but by all means, keep trying. Just stuffed that line of horsechit back up your ass. Enjoy! Let me translate that for you. You lost the argument. Next!

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851799 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager While you are busy Googling stuff up, and finding out you're losing (hint) again, try "Global Depository Receipts". Thanks for playing! I thought we were talking about Toyota ADR's listed on the NYSE and how they don't offer investors the same level of regulatory oversight as actual common stock listed on out exchanges. So far, no one has refuted what I have said here but by all means, keep trying. Just stuffed that line of horsechit back up your ass. Enjoy! Let me translate that for you. You lost the argument. Next! This means you can neither read nor comprehend. Gotcha; you're an idiot. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851811 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager While you are busy Googling stuff up, and finding out you're losing (hint) again, try "Global Depository Receipts". Thanks for playing! I thought we were talking about Toyota ADR's listed on the NYSE and how they don't offer investors the same level of regulatory oversight as actual common stock listed on out exchanges. So far, no one has refuted what I have said here but by all means, keep trying. Just stuffed that line of horsechit back up your ass. Enjoy! Let me translate that for you. You lost the argument. Next! This means you can neither read nor comprehend. Gotcha; you're an idiot. You keep giving me reference regarding what constitutes an ADR. No argument on what they are....and are not. They are not common shares listed on our exchanges and subjected to our regulations, which I have already shown.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851816 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager While you are busy Googling stuff up, and finding out you're losing (hint) again, try "Global Depository Receipts". Thanks for playing! I thought we were talking about Toyota ADR's listed on the NYSE and how they don't offer investors the same level of regulatory oversight as actual common stock listed on out exchanges. So far, no one has refuted what I have said here but by all means, keep trying. Just stuffed that line of horsechit back up your ass. Enjoy! Let me translate that for you. You lost the argument. Next! This means you can neither read nor comprehend. Gotcha; you're an idiot. Devolving into name calling usually means an argument is weak or non-existent and reflects poorly on those who use such tactics.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11851823 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 When I've proven that what ADRs are and why they exist, that ADRs are fully exchangeable for stock of the traded companies, that GDRs are how US and other stocks are listed on international exchanges, and that ADR stocks traded on the NYSE are subeject to FINRA and/or SEC regulations, you have no position left. You've been proven wrong, and you just refuse to actually read or comprehend the facts posted. That doesn't make calling you an idiot "name-calling"; it makes it accurate. You lose (hint), again. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851831 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager When I've proven that ADRs are fully exchangeable for stock of the traded companies, that GDRs are how US and other stocks are listed on international exchanges, and that ADR stocks traded on the NYSE are subeject to FINRA and/or SEC regulations, you have no position left. You've been proven wrong, and you just refuse to actually read or comprehend the facts posted. That doesn't make calling you an idiot "name-calling"; it makes it accurate. You lose (hint), again. Let me be perfectly clear here - you have NOT show where ADR's are subject to US regulation. I have specifically shown that they are not subject to US regulation with a link to the Securities and Exchange Commission web site. Here's the link, once again, showing the lack of regulatory oversight of ADR's. Click Here

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851848 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager When I've proven that ADRs are fully exchangeable for stock of the traded companies, that GDRs are how US and other stocks are listed on international exchanges, and that ADR stocks traded on the NYSE are subeject to FINRA and/or SEC regulations, you have no position left. You've been proven wrong, and you just refuse to actually read or comprehend the facts posted. That doesn't make calling you an idiot "name-calling"; it makes it accurate. You lose (hint), again. Let me be perfectly clear here - you have NOT show where ADR's are subject to US regulation. I have specifically shown that they are not subject to US regulation with a link to the Securities and Exchange Commission web site. Here's the link, once again, showing the lack of regulatory oversight of ADR's. Click Here Paragraph 6, last sentence. You just proved what you claimed false. Want more? Here - https://www.sec.gov/divisions/corpfin/internatl/foreign-private-issuers-overview.shtml Have fun. You lose (hint), again. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck T LEE #11851861 02/24/17 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,916 Likes: 1 Deer Park, Tx R Reloder28 Campfire Ranger Reloder28 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,916 Likes: 1 Deer Park, Tx Originally Posted by T LEE Dodge! If you can't Dodge it, Ram it! What grade are you in? "I never thought I'd live to see the day that a U.S. president would raise an army to invade his own country." Robert E. Lee

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851868 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager When I've proven that ADRs are fully exchangeable for stock of the traded companies, that GDRs are how US and other stocks are listed on international exchanges, and that ADR stocks traded on the NYSE are subeject to FINRA and/or SEC regulations, you have no position left. You've been proven wrong, and you just refuse to actually read or comprehend the facts posted. That doesn't make calling you an idiot "name-calling"; it makes it accurate. You lose (hint), again. Let me be perfectly clear here - you have NOT show where ADR's are subject to US regulation. I have specifically shown that they are not subject to US regulation with a link to the Securities and Exchange Commission web site. Here's the link, once again, showing the lack of regulatory oversight of ADR's. Click Here Paragraph 6, last sentence. You just proved what you claimed false. Want more? Here - https://www.sec.gov/divisions/corpfin/internatl/foreign-private-issuers-overview.shtml Have fun. You lose (hint), again. Not quite sure what you're referring to, but the article references raising capital in the US. ADR's don't always raise capital in the US, they're simply a convenient means of owning foreign shares. Please be more specific.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851873 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager When I've proven that ADRs are fully exchangeable for stock of the traded companies, that GDRs are how US and other stocks are listed on international exchanges, and that ADR stocks traded on the NYSE are subeject to FINRA and/or SEC regulations, you have no position left. You've been proven wrong, and you just refuse to actually read or comprehend the facts posted. That doesn't make calling you an idiot "name-calling"; it makes it accurate. You lose (hint), again. Let me be perfectly clear here - you have NOT show where ADR's are subject to US regulation. I have specifically shown that they are not subject to US regulation with a link to the Securities and Exchange Commission web site. Here's the link, once again, showing the lack of regulatory oversight of ADR's. Click Here Paragraph 6, last sentence. You just proved what you claimed false. Want more? Here - https://www.sec.gov/divisions/corpfin/internatl/foreign-private-issuers-overview.shtml Have fun. You lose (hint), again. Not quite sure what you're referring to, but the article references raising capital in the US. ADR's don't always raise capital in the US, they're simply a convenient means of owning foreign shares. Please be more specific. Paragraph 6; last sentence. Reporting requirements. Sponsored, listed, ADRs are subject to reporting requirements (I.e., regulations) to the SEC/FINRA. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Reloder28 #11851874 02/24/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... Originally Posted by T LEE Dodge! If you can't Dodge it, Ram it! Is this another fat chick joke? Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11851880 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Walt, you can just go ahead and say "oh, I stand corrected" and admit you were wrong at any point now. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851883 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Next up, let's take a look at how buying a new Ford compares to buying a new Toyota as it relates to keeping your money working here in the U.S., one of President Trump's central campaign themes. First up, let's look at ownership of Ford - Click Here Well look at that, millions and millions of Ford shares held in retirement and mutual fund accounts driving the American dream for U.S. investors. Next up, Toyota ADR's - Click Here Hmmm....looks like Toyota is funding millions of dreams also, just not in the U.S. You're making someone in Japan very happy when you buy their ugly junk.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851888 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Walt, you can just go ahead and say "oh, I stand corrected" and admit you were wrong at any point now. Please, since it's a long article and I don't want to misquote you, please copy/paste what you're referring to so we can all be on the same page.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851902 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Walt, you can just go ahead and say "oh, I stand corrected" and admit you were wrong at any point now. Please, since it's a long article and I don't want to misquote you, please copy/paste what you're referring to so we can all be on the same page. Educate yourself. Clearly, you need the practice. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851906 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Next up, let's take a look at how buying a new Ford compares to buying a new Toyota as it relates to keeping your money working here in the U.S., one of President Trump's central campaign themes. First up, let's look at ownership of Ford - Click Here Well look at that, millions and millions of Ford shares held in retirement and mutual fund accounts driving the American dream for U.S. investors. Next up, Toyota ADR's - Click Here Hmmm....looks like Toyota is funding millions of dreams also, just not in the U.S. You're making someone in Japan very happy when you buy their ugly junk. Buying new is simply stupid in the first place. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11851908 02/24/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... Try this with any other truck! Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851915 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Walt, you can just go ahead and say "oh, I stand corrected" and admit you were wrong at any point now. Please, since it's a long article and I don't want to misquote you, please copy/paste what you're referring to so we can all be on the same page. Educate yourself. Clearly, you need the practice. Always willing to learn, don't know how to copy/paste? Shame.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851921 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Next up, let's take a look at how buying a new Ford compares to buying a new Toyota as it relates to keeping your money working here in the U.S., one of President Trump's central campaign themes. First up, let's look at ownership of Ford - Click Here Well look at that, millions and millions of Ford shares held in retirement and mutual fund accounts driving the American dream for U.S. investors. Next up, Toyota ADR's - Click Here Hmmm....looks like Toyota is funding millions of dreams also, just not in the U.S. You're making someone in Japan very happy when you buy their ugly junk. Buying new is simply stupid in the first place. The fact still remains, as President Trump has repeatedly said, Americans need to keep jobs and money in this country. If you buy a Ford you can do that, Toyota not so much.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851931 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Next up, let's take a look at how buying a new Ford compares to buying a new Toyota as it relates to keeping your money working here in the U.S., one of President Trump's central campaign themes. First up, let's look at ownership of Ford - Click Here Well look at that, millions and millions of Ford shares held in retirement and mutual fund accounts driving the American dream for U.S. investors. Next up, Toyota ADR's - Click Here Hmmm....looks like Toyota is funding millions of dreams also, just not in the U.S. You're making someone in Japan very happy when you buy their ugly junk. Buying new is simply stupid in the first place. The fact still remains, as President Trump has repeatedly said, Americans need to keep jobs and money in this country. If you buy a Ford you can do that, Toyota not so much. Good; maybe Ford and GovtMotors can follow Toyota's lead and make more of their trucks on the US. That would mean US jobs, right? Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851932 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 4ager Campfire Ranger 4ager Campfire Ranger Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 23,453 Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Walt, you can just go ahead and say "oh, I stand corrected" and admit you were wrong at any point now. Please, since it's a long article and I don't want to misquote you, please copy/paste what you're referring to so we can all be on the same page. Educate yourself. Clearly, you need the practice. Always willing to learn, don't know how to copy/paste? Shame. You've shown the inability to comprehend anything posted, including what you posted from the SEC. You need the reading comprehension practice. Have fun. Originally Posted by Mannlicher America needs to understand that our troops are not 'disposable'. Each represents a family; Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Cousins, Uncles, Aunts... Our Citizens are our most valuable treasure; we waste far too many.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851934 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Motor Trend already panning the 2018 Tundra, and why not? It's essentially the same truck underneath as the 2007 model! Click Here 2018 Toyota Tundra Model Overview Overall Rating: 3 of 5 start You’ll Like Spacious rear seats TRD Pro model is great off-road Comfortable ride You Won’t Like Uncomfortable front seats Noisy cabin Poor fuel economy

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck 4ager #11851937 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Originally Posted by walt501 Originally Posted by 4ager Walt, you can just go ahead and say "oh, I stand corrected" and admit you were wrong at any point now. Please, since it's a long article and I don't want to misquote you, please copy/paste what you're referring to so we can all be on the same page. Educate yourself. Clearly, you need the practice. Always willing to learn, don't know how to copy/paste? Shame. You've shown the inability to comprehend anything posted, including what you posted from the SEC. You need the reading comprehension practice. Have fun. Your version of reality - not mine.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851945 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota walt501 Campfire Regular walt501 Campfire Regular Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 2,209 Likes: 1 Minnesota I did not think they could make the Tundra uglier, but never underestimate Toyota when it comes to ugly.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851950 02/24/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... Originally Posted by walt501 I did not think they could make the Tundra uglier, but never underestimate Toyota when it comes to ugly. I know it's a Hilux, but... Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck walt501 #11851952 02/24/17 Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 11,059 so cal pal Campfire Outfitter pal Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jul 2011 Posts: 11,059 so cal Originally Posted by walt501 ...When is the last time you saw an ugly Tundra with a ladder rack on it?... Tundra's are not used as work trucks... Don't be such an idiot. Here's mine. "There's more to optics than meets the eye."--anon "...most of us would be better off losing half a pound around the waist than half a pound on our rifle."--dhg

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11851963 02/24/17 Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,810 E edk Campfire Regular edk Campfire Regular E Joined: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,810 I have the new chevy 1500 with the 6.2 engine.Third 6.2 and i love the power and cushy feel of the Chevy. ED K

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11851967 02/24/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... I know several guys who have fleets of Tundras with ladder racks on them. Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11852007 02/24/17 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,939 Likes: 16 Hi-Line SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,939 Likes: 16 Hi-Line Ladder racks and work trucks..... For some reason that cracks me up!

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Oldelkhunter #11852165 02/24/17 Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,587 Likes: 1 grottoes ,virginia,usa srwshooter Campfire Outfitter srwshooter Campfire Outfitter Joined: Dec 2005 Posts: 9,587 Likes: 1 grottoes ,virginia,usa Originally Posted by Oldelkhunter Didn't know Chevy made trucks 4 chevies sense 1979,and i still own 2 of them. 350,000miles on a 1978 345,000 on a 1988 169,000 on my 2004 colorado 56,000 on my 2007 gmc stop buying trucks wwith all the bullshit on them,go to a work truck lot to buy.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck SamOlson #11852281 02/24/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... Originally Posted by SamOlson Ladder racks and work trucks..... For some reason that cracks me up! You don't know what you're missing. Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11852306 02/24/17 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,939 Likes: 16 Hi-Line SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,939 Likes: 16 Hi-Line I was just trying to piss off the Toyota guys hauling a couple 2x4's on the rack.....grin Not mine but I drove it for years. Great pickup, wish I could have bought it when the company went under. 7.3 and six speed manual, good combo for the hills in western MT.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Sbrown #11852938 02/24/17 Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,698 Minnesota W whelennut Campfire Tracker whelennut Campfire Tracker W Joined: Sep 2006 Posts: 6,698 Minnesota [quote=Sbrown] Tacoma!! [/quote Just curious what people haul in the bed of a truck that small? I like to do my hunting BEFORE I pull the trigger! There is only one kind of dead, but there are many different kinds of wounded.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck whelennut #11860516 02/27/17 Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas ltppowell Campfire Kahuna ltppowell Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas Tacoma's ain't for hauling. NOTHING can touch them for dependability and off-road performance. Nothing more...nothing less. The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11860546 02/27/17 Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas ltppowell Campfire Kahuna ltppowell Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas All bullshit aside, when I'm looking for a "new" truck, I watch the want-adds and car dealerships for the right buy on a used vehicle. The truck I drive now was 12 years old when I bought it. The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11860556 02/27/17 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,939 Likes: 16 Hi-Line SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,939 Likes: 16 Hi-Line I WISH Toyota would make a pickup that could legitimately compete with an F350. Seriously.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck SamOlson #11860565 02/27/17 Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... kingston Campfire 'Bwana kingston Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Jan 2010 Posts: 32,130 Likes: 1 Somewhere between lost and fou... Originally Posted by SamOlson I WISH Toyota would make a pickup that could legitimately compete with an F350. Seriously. Or just offered a diesel in something other than a HINO. Originally Posted by 16penny If you put Taco Bell sauce in your ramen noodles it tastes just like poverty

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck SamOlson #11860575 02/27/17 Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas ltppowell Campfire Kahuna ltppowell Campfire Kahuna Joined: Oct 2004 Posts: 50,169 Likes: 1 SE Texas Originally Posted by SamOlson I WISH Toyota would make a pickup that could legitimately compete with an F350. Seriously. Right? It would be cool to take oil leaks seriously (or not), wouldn't it? The only thing worse than a liberal is a liberal that thinks they're a conservative.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11860580 02/27/17 Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,939 Likes: 16 Hi-Line SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana SamOlson Campfire 'Bwana Joined: Feb 2006 Posts: 43,939 Likes: 16 Hi-Line I'd take a gas engine provided the suspension/drivetrain was up to the task of actually hauling or pulling something...

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11860708 02/27/17 Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,073 N Nebraska Campfire Outfitter Nebraska Campfire Outfitter N Joined: Aug 2002 Posts: 14,073 Had a kid texting and driving hit my 2016 F150 broadside about a month ago. I ended up trading my wrecked truck on a new one and could've went any direction I wanted too but went with the exact same truck (2016 Ford F150 2.7L ecoboost, super crew, 4x4,XLT). I like Tacomas too but the rust/corrosion issues really need to be resolved before I buy another Toyota..... Biden's most truthful quote ever came during his first press conference, 03/25/21. Drum roll please...... "I don't know, to be clear." and THAT is one promise he's kept!!!

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11860751 02/27/17 Joined: May 2009 Posts: 757 B bpas105 Campfire Regular bpas105 Campfire Regular B Joined: May 2009 Posts: 757 I'd have, without a second thought, gone with Toyota if they offered the CrewMax cab with a bed more than 5.5'. What are they thinking? I had a T-100 and a Tundra, each for 10 years without any problems. In the end, I ended up with a Ram, and 2 of the first 4 months with it were in the shop waiting (and waiting) for a fuel gauge that worked. Very frustrating - I can't begin to tell the lies and stupidity I was shown.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck SamOlson #11871741 03/03/17 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,916 Likes: 1 Deer Park, Tx R Reloder28 Campfire Ranger Reloder28 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,916 Likes: 1 Deer Park, Tx Originally Posted by SamOlson I WISH Toyota would make a pickup that could legitimately compete with an F350. Seriously. Can you imagine how oversize & butt-ugly it would be? And, how terrible the mileage would be? "I never thought I'd live to see the day that a U.S. president would raise an army to invade his own country." Robert E. Lee

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck bpas105 #11871752 03/03/17 Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,916 Likes: 1 Deer Park, Tx R Reloder28 Campfire Ranger Reloder28 Campfire Ranger R Joined: Mar 2006 Posts: 20,916 Likes: 1 Deer Park, Tx Originally Posted by bpas105 In the end, I ended up with a Ram, and 2 of the first 4 months with it were in the shop waiting (and waiting) for a fuel gauge that worked. Very frustrating - I can't begin to tell the lies and stupidity I was shown. I would expect nothing less from a Dodge. Most all of the Hot Shot drivers I am in contact with have had their interior wiring harness fried due to undersize conductors unable to carry the current draw as soon as they turned on their headlight switch with a gooseneck attached. "I never thought I'd live to see the day that a U.S. president would raise an army to invade his own country." Robert E. Lee

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck Reloder28 #11871906 03/03/17 Joined: May 2012 Posts: 178 3 30_06Hunter Campfire Member 30_06Hunter Campfire Member 3 Joined: May 2012 Posts: 178 I will/am in the market for new truck. Have a 2006 F 150 that has been good. Looked at other makes and models, I keep coming back with a new F150, have considered F250, Tundra, Tacoma, Dodge and Chevy. Love the F250 but is more than I really need. I have had great luck with Toyota cars. Tacoma is just to small, I think for me and the things I pull around, nothing major but want a little more size for stability as well as loading things in the bed. I looked at the Tundra also but just don't like the look and I know they have to do a new body style soon to stay relevant but have not come out with it yet. So if I buy the Tundra I get the old body style without the discount and won't look current long. Dodge, just have not had much experience with Mopar products so I am leary to jump in on a truck that needs to last 10+ years. Chevy's ride good but have not heard much good about them off road. My Dad was a chevy guy and liked them better than any other truck, so they could be a consideration. I just keep coming back to wait for the refresh 2018 F 150, actually would buy the 2017 but have always disliked the current snout on the thing. Glad they are doing the refresh.

Re: If, Just If, You Were Looking At a New Truck WayneShaw #11872419 03/03/17 Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 14,408 R rem141r Campfire Outfitter rem141r Campfire Outfitter R Joined: Dec 2010 Posts: 14,408 after the fiasco with my 05 1500 ram, i would never, ever own another dodge. my fords have been good trucks. not perfect, but good. never owned a chevy. i think if you plan on buying a dodge, you better plan on getting rid of it at about the 6 year or 80k point. My diploma is a DD214