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Though I'd run a short thread recounting what Edward Rutherford wrote in his excellent piece of historical fiction "The Princes of Ireland". Selected passages in total a bit to much to quote in one post...

First, on the origins of Brian Boru...
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It was six centuries since Niall of the Nine Hostages had founded the mighty dynasty of O'Neill, and in all that time, despite the ebb and flows of power among the island's Celtic chiefs. no one had ever dislodged the O'Neills from the High Kingship, until now.

Brian: his father's given name was Kennedy, so he was properly called Brian, son of Kennedy. But like Niall of the Nine Hostages many centuries earlier, Brian was so well known for the tribute he collected that he was called "Boruma", the cattle counter, or Brian Boru. he had astounded all Ireland by his rise.

His people, the Dal Cais, had only been a small and unimportant Munster tribe in his grandfather's day. They had lived on the banks of the Shannon just upstream from where it opens out into its long western estuary. But when the Vikings founded their settlement nearby at Limerick, Brian's grandfather had refused to come to terms with them.

For three generations the family had conducted a guerrilla war against the Viking's river traffic. The Dal Cais had become famous. Brian's grandfather had called himself a King; Brian's mother had been a princess from Connacht; his sister had even been chosen as a wife by the king at Tara - though this hadn't done the family much good after she was executed for sleeping with her husband's son.

The Dal Cais were ambitious. They had a hardened fighting force. Brian's brothers had already tested their strength against several of the other rulers in the region. But no one could have imagined what they did next. All Ireland gasped when the news of it came.

"They've taken Cashel."

Cashel - the ancient stronghold of the Munster kings. True, the Munster kings were not what they were. But the cheek of it! And when the King of Munster got the Vikings of Limerick to join him to punish these insolent upstarts, the Dal Cais beat them all, and plundered Limerick, too. A few years later Brian Boru took over as King of Munster.

A minor chieftain's family had taken one of the four great kingships of Ireland - where the Celtic royal dynasties went back into the mists of time....

Brian was in his prime. The tides of fortune were with him. He was King of Munster. Where else could ambition take him? Only gradually did it become clear that he had decided to aim at nothing less than the High Kingship itself.

He was bold, methodical and patient. One year he moved against the nearby territory of Ossory; another, he took a great fleet into Connacht; a dozen years after becoming King of Munster, he even moved into the island's central heartland and camped by the sacred site of Uisnech.

He had taken his time, but the message to the O'Neill was clear; either they must crush Brian Boru or give him the recognition he asked for.

It was fortunate for Brian, and probably all of Ireland, that the O'Neill High King at this time was of a noble and statesmanlike mind. The choice was clear, but not easy; either he must challenge the Munster man to a war, which could only involve a huge loss of life, or he must swallow his pride and come to terms with him, if the thing could be done with honor.

He chose the latter course. And reviving the ancient division of the island into two halves, the upper Leth Cuinn, and the lower Leth Moga, he declared, "Let us rule jointly: you in the south, and I in the north."

"I should rule Leinster as well as Munster then, while you keep Connacht and Ulster," Brian solemnly agreed. "Which means," he pointed out to his followers afterwards, "that I shall control all the cheif ports, including Dyflin" [Dublin]. Without having to strike another blow, he had just gained all the richest prizes in Ireland.

Or thought he had.


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The Battle of Clontarf is commonly held to be the occasion the Brain Boru "drove the Vikings out of Ireland", a fiction as it turns out, largely derived from an account written by one of Boru's great-granchildren. By the time the battle was fought (1014) Dublin was a Viking settlement 150 years old, and from the beginning has Celtic residents as well as Norse.

The Viking King of Dublin, Sytric "Silkbeard" Olafsson, was the son of the famously beautiful but dark-hearted Gormflaith, who after the death of Sytric's father had been married for a spell to the O'Neill High King himself.

Gormflaith was Celtic Irish royalty, and Sytric himself was blood kin to the King of Leinster, Mael Morda,

Neither was Clontarf the first time Brian had moved against Dublin, in 999 he met and defeated in battle at Glen Mama ("Valley of the Gap") the combined Celtic/Viking forces of Leinster and Dublin, subsequently going on to occupy the city.

'Tweren't the first time Dublin had been overawed by the Irish niether, in 978 and again in 989 the then Irish High King O'Neill had laid seige to Dublin and exacted tribute, the second time defeating the Dubliners in open battle.

Clontarf then was the last of four times during those decades that the Dublin Vikings had battled and lost to the surrounding Irish.

Anyways, back to Rutherford's story, in the year 999, on the events leading up to the battle of Glen Mama.

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The High King might have meant well, but when he gave the overlordship of their kingdom to Brian, the proud men of Leinster were unimpressed. Nobody had asked them. The king and the chiefs in particular were incensed. The new overlord, to be sure, would be wanting tribute and taking their sons as hostages for their good behaviour, in the usual way.

Whatever the Leinster men might have felt about the Vikings of Dyflin [Dublin] when they first arrived, the two communities had been living together for generations now....

True, many of the Vikings were still pagan, but even religion had to take second place where matters of honor were at stake. As for the Vikings themselves, they had been stubbornly resisting the control of the High King for a long time. They were hardly likely to submit to Brian Boru just because the O'Neill High King, who was too weak to fight, had told them that they should.

So it was that autumn that the King of Leinster and the King of Dyflin had decide to refuse to recognise the Munster man.... And now the Munster man was coming, and they had gone out to meet him


Hard to find any descriptions of the Battle of Glen Mama, other than it was long and bloody. Viking and Celts, by then as interrelated as Sigurd and Mael Morda, fought on both sides of that battle.

The aftermath was typical of that era, Brian briefly occupied Dublin, and afterwards gave his own daughter in marriage to Sitric. Brian himself took in marriage Gormflaith, mother of Sitric, who was to bear him a son.

Clontarf lay fifteen years in the future.

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Other than the fact he wasn't killed, the aftermath of the defeat at Glen Mama did not go well for Mael Morda, the Celtic King of Leinster. Story has it that after the battle Boru's men found him hiding up a tree, and that he personally had been responsible for the defeat, having given poor advice to his Dublin allies.

Things apparently came to a head one year when a party of Leinstermen under the personal direction of Morda were en route to Limerick in the west (Lienster being east) with three huge tree trunks , these being part of the annual tribute due to Brian Boru who needed them to construct his ships.

(Couple of notable points here: Brian had learned a thing or two about the tactical value of ships from the Vikings. The other notable point being that back in the Celtic era parts of Ireland were famous for their forests, long since disappeared.).

Due to heavy rains the trip was not going well, and in an ill temper Morda took shelter at an inn where a son of Brian Boru happened to be staying. Upon defeating a friend of Morda at chess the son is said to have mocked Morda to the effect that his advice to his friend at chess had been about as bad as his advice to Sitric had been at the battle of Glen Mama.

Such things alone could apparently spark a war in that time and place, but there was more than that.

Gormflaith must have been a remarkable woman, and a child bride when she married Sitric Silkbeard's father. She was born a princess of Leinster around 960, making her 39 and reportedly stiil a great beauty at the time of Glen Mama.

The exact date of birth of Brian Boru is unknown, probably around 940, making him around 60 at the time of his marriage to Gormflaith, and she did bear him a son (or at least bore _A_ son, but no suggestion of cuckoldry comes down through legend). The marriage was the third for both, and reportedly a stormy one. Brain eventually cast her off and by the time of Clontarf she was back living with her son, King Sytric of Dublin.

The story goes that, as the war clouds gathered before Clontarf, she herself sent Sytric to invite the participation of the Manx Vikings (Isle of Man) under Brodir and the Orkney Vikings (Northwest Scotland) under Earl Sigurd.

A belittled King and a vengeful woman? Cause enough for war maybe, but there were other forces at work. Continuing his conquest of his fellow Irish after Glan Mama, Brian Boru initiated a campaign against the then High King in AD 1000, and claimed the High Kingship for himself in 1002, a move which left many embittered enemies.

Outside of Ireland at that time too Viking fortunes were on the rise, this being the swan song of the Viking era. To the likes of Brodir, Earl Sigurd and their Danish kinsmen, Clontarf doubtless presented the prospect of high adventure, and much gain.

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Naah, just me talking to myself about history again is all.

I never did know much about Brian Boru or Clontarf, until the book I mentioned sparked further investigation. Now I know a little more.

One thing puzzling about the Irish is how they managed to be so retrograde for so long compared to the rest of Europe and actually succeed in keeping their own sod. Turns out at Clontarf some of the Irish nobility showed up in chariots, which had gone out of fashion in Europe maybe 500 years earlier.

Nearly six hundred years AFTER Clontarf, the last free Celtic Lord of Ulster, the hard drinking, woman-chasing and reportedly charming Hugh O'Neill, would be the talk of London when he showed up at Queen Elizabeth's court in "wild" Celtic dress and with his personal retinue of Gallowglass.

Gallowglass at that time were a staple of Irish warfare, Gaelic-speaking Scots/Norse mercenaries from far west Scotland who wore helmets and chain mail and fought with Viking axes or two-handed swords (claymores). Essentially armed and armored similar to the Vikings had been at Clontarf (except that the claymore, or "great sword", was a more recent invention), this in an age where in the rest of Europe pikes, muskets and artillery had long been the order of the day. English mothers in Shakespeare's time would hush their little one's with the threat "Quiet, or the gallowglass will come".

During that same era, modern Tudor armies in Ireland were opposed by lightly armored Irish cavalry who had yet to adopt the saddle and stirrup, and who hurled javelins overhand in a manner contemporary with Ancient Greece.

But I digress, OK back to 1014, this is what Rutherford has to say about the events outside Ireland leading up to Clontarf...

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The trouble had begun in England. More than a dozen years ago, at the very time that Brian Boru had crushed the Dyflin [Dublin] men at Glen Mama, the foolish Saxon king of southern England, known to his people as Ethelred the Unready, had unwisely attacked the Vikings of northern England at their mighty port of York.

He had soon paid for his foolishness. A fleet of Viking longships had crossed the sea from Denmark and returned the compliment. For the next decade, the southern English had been forcd to pay Danegeld - protection money - if they wanted to live in peace.

And now, this year, the King of Denmark and his son Canute had been assembling a great Vikng fleet to smash poor Ethelred and take his English kingdom from him. The northern seas were echoing with the news.

Every week, ships had come into the port of Dyflin with further reports of this adventure; small wonder then, if some of the Dyflin men were growing restless....

Because of the excitement caused by the English business, every Viking troublemaker and pirate in the northern sea was on the lookout for an adventure.

And now the men of Dyflin were going to get their chance. If the Celtic King of Leinster wanted to revolt, his Viking kinsman the ruler of Dyflin was ready to join him


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Naah, just me talking to myself about history again is all.


Birdy, you're not talking to just yourself, I look forward to each of your installments with a great deal of interest. I know full well about the Gallowglass, it was a legitimate occupation and many members of Clan Donald hired themselves out as mercenaries. They were raised to fight and fight they did. It often mattered little who or what they were fighting for.

Another member of Clan Donald, in the person of Somhairle Buidh Mac Domhnaill (Sorley Boy MacDonald), the namesake of my youngest son, also had a lot of impact on County Antrim and the surrounding area. If you look it up, you'll also learn where the term, "beyond the Pale" originated.

I have spent many enjoyable hours reading about the Red Branch and the Tales of the Ulster Cycle. It's great mythology and a little bit of it might even be true. The Celts have an interesting history and one that I'm proud to be part of, even if only as a member of the Scottish diaspora.


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Well I DID know of the Pale, that Anglo-Norman legacy of Strongbow, for centuries the "English" part of Ireland before the establishment of the Ulster Plantations (and I'll look up the connection to your likely ancestor <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />).

But there again though, after what? 400 years? it weren't the Irish "beyond the Pale" that became more English, but the English in the Pale that became largely Irish, Fitzgerald and such now being stereotypically Irish names.

IIRC the term "going native" was originally coined to refer to the frequent outcome when Englishmen were sent to live in Ireland. At least one Historian has it that it was largely Irish women who were responsible for this corruption, these women being famous both for their charms and their freedom of action, enjoying considerably more rights in a Celtic society than they would have in England, especially by the Tudor era.

Along those lines the aforementioned Hugh O'Neill himself was technically an Earl (of Thormond?), although thoroughly Irish, and had been raised in England and in the Pale specifically to try and Anglicise him. Didn't work apparently.

Near as I can tell things turned ugly for good in the Sixteenth Century with the founding of the Plantations and the introduction of religious differences into the fray, and sad to say the Native Irish were as least as much to blame as the Prods when the whole conflict took on an especially brutal and genocidal cast.

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I should have known that you would be familiar with the Pale, you take your history seriously. The Highland Scots and the Irish both suffered the same fate at the hands of the English. The English viewed the Celtic peoples as barbarians and subhuman.

It wasn't until Samuel Johnson travelled to Scotland in the 1700's and his journey was chronicled by James Boswell in his work, The Life of Samuel Johnson, Including The Tour To The Hebrides, that Johnson, followed by the English readers of Boswell's influential book, began to see the Scots as an interesting people, even though they were from a very different and somewhat ancient culture.


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Along those lines the aforementioned Hugh O'Neill himself was technically an Earl (of Thormond?), although thoroughly Irish, and had been raised in England and in the Pale specifically to try and Anglicise him. Didn't work apparently.


Birdy, Birdy, Birdy!!

You're confusing the Dal Cassians with the O'Neills again. Brian Boru was probably the King of Thomond, (one half of Munster) The other half of Munster was called Desmond, and a MacCarthy was the Earl/Baron there.

Blessed Red Hugh O'Neill was the Earl of Tyrone, his buddy Hugh O'Donnell was the Earl of Tyrconnell.

I'm not making any of this up. Got to be better than reading about Ethelred the Unready, isn't it?

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You're confusing the Dal Cassians with the O'Neills again. Brian Boru was probably the King of Thomond, (one half of Munster) The other half of Munster was called Desmond, and a MacCarthy was the Earl/Baron there.

Blessed Red Hugh O'Neill was the Earl of Tyrone, his buddy Hugh O'Donnell was the Earl of Tyrconnell.


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It wasn't until Samuel Johnson travelled to Scotland in the 1700's and his journey was chronicled by James Boswell in his work, The Life of Samuel Johnson, Including The Tour To The Hebrides, that Johnson, followed by the English readers of Boswell's influential book, began to see the Scots as an interesting people, even though they were from a very different and somewhat ancient culture.


Interesting reference, thanks. Worth noting that the remarkable Mr Johnson took that journey with his friend Boswell in 1773.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Journey_to_the_Western_Islands_of_Scotland

Worth noting IMHO on a few accounts; remarkable that gentlemen COULD take that journey for purposes of recreation in that time and place (Johnson was in his sixties at the time).

Also, Culloden and the last Jacobite uprising was already about thirty years over, and a full forty years in the past by the time Boswell publicised the journey.

Weren't there a tremendous romanticising in England of all things Scottish about that time? Human nature to get all nostalgic over yer enemies long after they've been thoroughly whupped, look at how we commonly regard the Indians for example.

Sort of in the same vein, I think folks (not including yourself and Sycamore) commonly look at the Irish too through rose-colored glasses, forgetting that all that derring-do was usually turned upon each other. I'm recalling the not-often-talked about old Irish custom of gouging out the eyes of your rivals, who were often relatives, and leaving them alive as a warning as well as out of pure spite.

(Anyways, when googling up "eye gouging Ireland" to firm up recollections from a work read years ago, here's a quick recap I came across of the O'Byrnes of Leinster. Not surprising really that the Irish themselves likely plundered more monasteries over the years than even the Vikings did http://www.colonsay.org.uk/byrne/locharprom/byrneclan.html )

Brian Boruma was a prodigy who briefly came close to uniting that troubled island by force of arms even though it took him a lifetime to do it. Just luck I guess it was the likes of him who was still around to face the Vikings at Clontarf, Brian had been winning fights against his fellow Irish and Vikings his whole life (turns out even his own mom had been killed by Vikings).

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Sorley Boy O'Donnell is certainly an interesting character and worth reading into.

Another interesting character is Somerled MacDonald of the Scottish side of Clan MacDonald. He was "lord of the Isles" and was reponsible for driving the vikings from the Hebrides. Somerlead must have been a real man, a recent DNA survey in Scotland found that there is a "Somerled" gene akin to the Genghis gene - though on a more modest scale.

The plantation of Ulster was a early seventeenth century event, implemented in part after the "fight of earls", Red Hugh, O'Donnell and others, the 400th anniversary of this is this year. The plantation was further enforced after the Cromwellian wars in the 1650's.

Another interesting character is Owen Roe O'Neill. He inflicted some serious defeats on the English, notably at Benburb (about 15 miles from here).

The main problem of the Celtic peoples in fighting modern English armies of the period was their set of personal ethics. Combat for a celt was a personal matter, you rushed into battle with your sword and looked for someone to fight individually. If you brother was next to you, you did not intervene on his behalf, he fought his fight, you fought yours until the bitter end. This hampered the celts as far back as Julius Ceasar in Gaul. Fighting in a regimental formation was anathema to the celts.

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Golly, it would appear an actual Irishman has chimed in.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />

Anyhow, speaking of genes, I've been all in a tizzy since finding out we Celts have a Y chromosome of our very own. I had thought to get mine specced out (all my grandparents being Irish), but then what if I turned out to be French or something? <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

And speaking of genetic surprises, it turns out ol' Scottish Celtic hero Sommerled himself had a Norse grandpa somewhere in the line...
http://news.scotsman.com/scitech.cfm?id=442642005

Browsing around, I found an Icelandic Viking Saga that has things to say about Clontarf....
http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/ice/njal/njal153.htm

On Gormflaith, here in the context of Sytric's visit to Earl Sigurd, and the deal that was struck. Note the high regard in which Brian Boru is mentioned....

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Earl Sigurd bade to his feast at Yule Earl Gilli, his brother- in-law, out of the Southern isles; he had to wife Swanlauga, Earl Sigurd's sister; and then, too, came to see Earl Sigurd that king from Ireland whose name was Sigtrygg. He was a son of Olaf Rattle, but his mother's name was Kormlada [Gormflaith]; she was the fairest of all women, and best gifted in everything that was not in her own power, but it was the talk of men that she did all things ill over which she had any power.

Brian was the name of the king who first had her to wife, but they were then parted. He was the best-natured of all kings. He had his seat in Connaught, in Ireland; his brother's name was Wolf the Quarrelsome, the greatest champion and warrior; Brian's foster-child's name was Kerthialfad..... and loved him more than his own sons. He was then full grown when these things happened, and was the boldest of all men.

Duncan was the name of the first of King Brian's sons; the second was Margad; the third, Takt, whom we call Tann, he was the youngest of them; but the elder sons of King Brian were full grown, and the briskest of men.

Kormlada was not the mother of King Brian's children, and so grim was she against King Brian after their parting, that she would gladly have him dead.

King Brian thrice forgave all his outlaws the same fault, but if they misbehaved themselves oftener, then he let them be judged by the law; and from this one may mark what a king he must have been.

Kormlada egged on her son Sigtrygg very much to kill King Brian, and she now sent him to Earl Sigurd to beg for help.

King Sigtrygg came before Yule to the Orkneys, and there, too, came Earl Gilli, as was written before.

The men were so placed that King Sigtrygg sat in a high seat in the middle, but on either side of the king sat one of the earls. The men of King Sigtrygg and Earl Gilli sate on the inner side away from him, but on the outer side away from Earl Sigurd, sate Flosi and Thorstein, son of Hall of the Side, and the whole hall was full....

Then King Sigtrygg stirred in his business with Earl Sigurd, and bade him go to the war with him against King Brian.

The earl was long steadfast, but the end of it was that he let the king have his way, but said he must have his mother's hand for his help, and be king in Ireland, if they slew Brian. But all his men besought Earl Sigurd not to go into the war, but it was all no good.

So they parted on the understanding that Earl Sigurd gave his word to go; but King Sigtrygg promised him his mother and the kingdom.

It was so settled that Earl Sigurd was to come with all his host to Dublin by Palm Sunday.

Then King Sigtrygg fared south to Ireland, and told his mother Kormlada that the earl had undertaken to come, and also what he had pledged himself to grant him.

She showed herself well pleased at that, but said they must gather greater force still.

Sigtrygg asked whence this was to be looked for?

She said there were two vikings lying off the west of Man; and that they had thirty ships, and, she went on, "They are men of such hardihood that nothing can withstand them. The one's name is Ospak, and the other's Brodir. Thou shalt fare to find them, and spare nothing to get them into thy quarrel, whatever price they ask."

Now King Sigtrygg fares and seeks the vikings, and found them lying outside off Man; King Sigtrygg brings forward his errand at once, but Brodir shrank from helping him until he, King Sigtrygg, promised him the kingdom and his mother, and they were to keep this such a secret that Earl Sigurd should know nothing about it; Brodir too was to come to Dublin on Palm Sunday.

So King Sigtrygg fared home to his mother, and told her how things stood.

After that those brothers, Ospak and Brodir, talked together, and then Brodir told Ospak all that he and Sigtrygg had spoken of, and bade him fare to battle with him against King Brian, and said he set much store on his going.

But Ospak said he would not fight against so good a king....

Then they were both wroth, and sundered their band at once. Ospak had ten ships and Brodir twenty.

Ospak was a heathen, and the wisest of all men. He laid his ships inside in a sound, but Brodir lay outside him.

Brodir had been a Christian man and a mass-deacon by consecration, but he had thrown off his faith and become God's dastard, and now worshipped heathen fiends, and he was of all men most skilled in sorcery. He had that coat of mail on which no steel would bite. He was both tall and strong, and had such long locks that he tucked them under his belt. His hair was black.....

Then Brodir was so wroth that he could answer never a word, but he went at once to his men, and made them lay his ships in a line across the sound, and moor them by bearing their cables on shore at either end of the line, and meant to slay them all next morning.

Ospak saw all their plan, and then he vowed to take the true faith, and to go to King Brian, and follow him till his death- day.

Then he took that counsel to lay his ships in a line, and punt them along the shore with poles, and cut the cables of Brodir's ships. Then the ships of Brodir's men began to fall aboard of one another when they were all fast asleep; and so Ospak and his men got out of the firth, and so west to Ireland, and came to Connaught.

Then Ospak told King Brian all that he had learnt, and took baptism, and gave himself over into the king's hand.

After that King Brian made them gather force over all his realm, and the whole host was to come to Dublin in the week before Palm Sunday.


Those old Vikings sure had a way with words didn't they?

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I'm waiting for confirmation from Steelhead. (grin)

Sorry Birdy, but I can't just put blind faith in a guy that figured out the best way to skin panties was to take 'em birdwatching. (nuther grin)


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Egad man!..... "skin panties"? ... perish the thought! I prefer "dallying in the woods" or something similarly obtuse.

As to the tactics chosen, all's fair in love and war ain't it? The rules are there are no rules. Whatever works, works.

And take this back to that OTHER thread where it belongs... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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How the Leinster men set the ball rolling was to raid north into Ulster. Hard to say after nearly 1,000 years if it was a plan. The O'Neill King of Ulster, recently obliged to cede High Kingship to Brian, brought the matter to Brian's attention. After all, a war between Leinster and Brian Boru would only weaken both parties involved, leaving the O'Neills stronger by comparison.

This message, and the fact that a messenger from Brian to the Leinstermen had been thrown out and beaten, precipitated the war. In the fall of '13 Brain marched an army from Munster and Connaught and beseiged Dublin, content to hem them in behind walls while his army reaped the harvests of the Leinster lands.

At Christmas they went home and the matter might have ended there, yet another siege of Dublin, just another twist in the endless power play between clans and kingdoms.

From Rutherford....

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"It was February when the news began to arrive at the port...

The Vikings were coming. From the Isle of Man, just over the horizon, its Viking ruler was bringing a war fleet. From the faraway Orkney Islands in the north, another great sailing was coming. Warrior cheifs, merchants, adventurers, Nordic pirates - they were all making ready.

It would be another great Viking adventure. Who knew, if they defeated old Brian Boru, there might even be a chance to take over the whole island, just as Canute and his Danes were doing in England. At the least, there would be valuable pickings.


..and from the viewpoint of a character in the book, in this case an Irish monk crossing the Wicklow Mountains south of Dublin....

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They passed over a high mountain gap.... The day was pleasant, the April sky remaining unusually clear. It was past mid-afternoon when they emerged on the northern slopes and saw below them to the east the wide magnificence of the Liffey estuary and the huge sweep of the bay laid out before them.

Then Osgar saw the Viking sails.

It was the whole Viking fleet, strung out from the northern curve of the bay, past the Ben of Howth, and away into the open sea where, finally, they became indistinct in the sea mist.

Square sails: He could see that those nearest were brightly coloured. How many? He counted three dozen; no doubt there were more. How many fighting men? A thousand? More?

He had never seen such a sight before. He stared in horror, and felt a terrible, cold fear.


...and the next day through the eyes of Caoilinn, a minor member of the Leinster nobility, then staying in Dublin...

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There were no palm trees in Dyflin, so on Palm Sunday Christians went to church with all kinds of greenery in their hands. Caoilinn carried a sheaf of long, sweet grasses.

It was a strange sight that morning to see the streams of worshippers, Leinster and Dyflin people, Celtic Gaedhil and Nordic Gaill, carrying their greenery through the wooden streets, watched by the men from the longships.

Some of the warriors from the northern lands were good Christians, she noted with approval, for they joined the procession. But most seemed to be either heathen or indifferent, and they stood by the fences or in the gateways, leaning on their axes, watching, talking amongst themselves or drinking ale.

It had been a remarkable sight when the longships had started coming up the Liffey the evening before. The two fleets had arrived together. The Earl of Orkney had brought with him Vikings from all over the north, from the Orkneys and the Isle of Skye, from the coast of Argyll and the Mull of Kintyre.

From the Isle of Man, however, the scar-faced warlord Brodar had brought a fearsome collection, drawn, it seemed, from the ports of many lands. Fair-haired Norsemen, burly Danes, some were light coloured, some dark and swarthy. Many, she judged, were nothing more than pirates. Yet these were the allies that her Leinster king had called upon to strike at Brian Boru.

She could have wished he had found other sorts of men.


...and I wish someone had a camera.

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Brodir from the Isle of Man is usually cast as the villain of this battle, not without reason as it turns out. Whatever his true colors might have been, the Isle of Man, perched out in the Irish Sea between Ireland and England, was well situated to be a pirates' nest. Sorta like any number of Caribbean Islands in a later age, or how Galveston was for Jean LaFitte in an age later than that.

Amazing how closely the Icelandic Sagas fit what we know of the battle, or more likely much of what we know of the battle comes from those same sagas, the version we know put to paper two hundred years after the fact.

Might be they are pretty accurate, perhaps there was a premium on oral tradition and accurate storytelling in that mostly pre-literate age. For instance the sagas ( http://www.sacred-texts.com/neu/ice/njal/njal156.htm ) record that, before the battle "On the fifth day of the week a man rode up to Kormlada [Gormflaith] and her company on an apple-grey horse, and in his hand he held a halberd; he talked long with them." This being a sort of eye-witness detail that might have survived, even if what transpired at that meeting and how it affected the flow of events, if it was ever remembered, has been lost.

Massive omens mentioned in the sagas too (showers of boiling blood ??) likely embellished after the fact, but this particular portent of Brodir's sound credible.

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Brodir tried by sorcery how the fight would go, but the answer ran thus, that if the fight were on Good-Friday King Brian would fall but win the day; but if they fought before, they would all fall who were against him.

Then Brodir said that they must not fight before the Friday.


Besides portend, another pratical reason the Dublin host chose to go give battle on that Good Friday morning might have been this...
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Now it must be told of King Brian that he would not fight on the fast-day, and so a shieldburg was thrown round him, and his host was drawn up in array in front of it.


Rutherford describes the mixed Leinster/Viking force thus...
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Good Friday, 23 April 1014. One of the most holy days of the year. They marched out of Dyflin at dawn....

...it was a fearsome sight. And most terrifying of all, the Leinster people agreed, were the Vikings from across the sea.

It was their armor. The Celtic people of the Island no longer stripped for battle as their ancestors had done. The Leinstermen who marched out of battle wore long, brightly colored vests or leather padded tunics over their shirts; some had helmets, most carried the traditional painted shield, strengthened with bosses of iron.

But splendid as this battle gear was, it did not compare with that of the Vikings. For the Vikings wore chain mail. Thousands of tiny links of iron or brass, tightly woven and riveted, worn over a leather undershirt, that stretched to below the waist or even the knee, the chain mail was heavy and slowed the warrior down, but it was very hard to pierce...
...to the people of the western island it made them look strangely grey, dark and evil. This was the armor worn by most of the men from the longships.

It was a huge force that marched out of Dyflin and went across the wooden bridge. Though their armor was different, the weapons carried by the Irish Gaedhil and Viking Giall were not so unlike, for as well as the customary spear and sword, more than a few of the Celtic warriors carried Viking axes.

There were some archers with poisoned arrows, and there were several chariots to carry the great men. But the battle would be fought not by manouver but by massed lines of hand to hand fighting.


...and of a fictional Irish-born Danish mercenary fighting for Brodir, here during the battle...
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He had killed five men so far and wounded a dozen others. he had chosen a steel sword to fight with today. In close fighting he found it better to stab than try to swing an axe.

Though good blades were forged in Dyflin, the Viking armaments were still better than anything made on the Celtic island, and the blue-bladed, double edged sword he had acquired in Denmark was a deadly weapon.


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This is all rather amusing as Birdy strongly objected to my presentation of much of this material nearly two years ago, when, in his usual fashion, he took exception to my using the term "Nordic" to describe certain European regions and peoples.

Of course, this was in service of his deep concern for the "downtrodden" of the world, in his liberal, un-informed view at least, thus he continually deviated into side issues in order to appear both literate and learned, a common ploy among academics.

The Viking Era was NOT ...pre-literate..., geezuz, where do these pseudo-intellectual ideas come from? The various sagas WERE written in the runic script of the times, as well as being transmitted by storytellers, much like peoples everywhere.

The lack of literacy so obvious in contemporary society, especially among certain academics who post here and continually make both spelling and grammatical errors, is not reflective of other eras or societies.

It is a result of public "education", powerful teacher's unions and an attitude that what is really important is the "gutlevel" of a given topic; this is a result of the '60s and the decadence that became so apparent then and persists until the present.

The Viking blades were actually forged, at least most of them and the finest, in Germany, the original source of the Viking blood. In this respect, the Vikings preceeded the use of other superior German weapons technology by their descendants, the British, as witness the Rigby-Mauser connection of "The Golden Age" of British firearms.

Having actually read some of the sagas, such as "Burnt Nial", "Laxdaela" and parts of others as well as the foremost scholar on Viking issues, Gwyn Jones, I am amused by the attitudes Birdie displays here. The Celtic and Norse peoples inter-bred from the initial contacts, just as most other humans did and do, so, any references to Brian Boru and his ...driving the Vikings out of Ireland..., as in earlier posts by Birdy are simply bullschitt.

One of my greatest heros, Eric Bloodaxe, was actually a king in what is now Britain and so were various other Vikings, Canute being the most famous among populist "historians". Thus, as I originally posted, the Nordic peoples include the Irish, British, Germans, some French and the Scandanavians.

Since Canada was founded and largely built by these peoples, it is a Nordic country and, in many respects is the USA. Birdy, it seems, is slowly coming to see the light!

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