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1080 worked.
In fact, it is still working on my father in law's farm in New Zealand.
They drop 1080 carrot baits from helicopters. Kills the rabbits and possums like a damn.
I am MAGA.
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folks don't want coyotes around. They don't like efforts to control coyotes either. The government is is at fault for allowing coyotes being there, and at fault for eradicating them.
Can't win, as with so many other issues. Folks just can't seem to take care of their own problems anymore.
Everyone is pizzed 90% of the time, for one reason or another. Sad I don't mind seeing a few yotes now and then, we just control their population like anything else around here, its managed....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Interesting on the multiple signs.... I may have to snap a few pictures and then ask the trapper about rules and regs... actually not, that might get us kicked off... weird situation....
I"ve not seen a dead dog in a snare, but I"ve seen live ones for sure, seems when it snugs they stop around here and just wait.
Yep, landowner doesn't want yotes around killing his goats. Goats suck for deer hunting as you know. But we don't have them every year. Just depends on rotation, browse vs rain etc....
I've really no choice at this time, well you know what I mean.. way to close of a drive, we are growing good deer, and its still somewhat affordable. When/if we get off the place, I'll likely not have a deer lease anymore.
M44s do a good job and generally target the right animals, but I've seen enough of the other stuff killed to wonder. Not that its a big deal to loose a coon or a fox, but they aren't a specific killer.
Now that you mention it, I"ve never seen a cat killed by one either. And when we had a lion on the place last year he set up snares to catch the lion and never did.
If he would be smarter about the snare locations we wouldn't loose so many deer either but he and the landowner dont care. Landowner is an attorney and has flat told us since his dad died and so on... this is what you get, take it or leave it... sucks eh... LOL
Only time I"ve turned our child Tiger loose is when he jumped a wounded 10 point, so he could bay him, ended up running him into a pond, and then came back when I called him off so we could shoot the deer again. We trail on a 25 foot lead. He did yank it out of my hand once, but that wasn't there, at least I have GPS on him from that day on...
You named your kid "Tiger"? That's badass! LOL< when the lord blessed you with 4 legged children, thats what they are, children to us. Doesn't whine or cry much either... and damn efficient. And if I were the type to want to make money, folks get up to 500-600 to go look for a deer with their dogs... we have fun and help friends out...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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I"ve ZERO use for the damn things. They work though.
But running my trailing dog on our deer lease scares me. Even though he is rarely if ever off leash.
I just hate the idea of the things. Plus they kill anything and everything, not just target animals, unless your target is anything and everything. They target yotes on the deer lease. I see coons, fox, and a couple of goats almost every year.
They do at least put a sign on the gate. And a single sign at each site. I guess they do. I"d appreciate a bit better than a single sign above the M44, but I"d appreciate never seeing the damn things again.
Of course the govt trapper that runs ours also snares and kills at least a dozen or more deer from what I can tell a year by not putting snares in smart places..
And I'm far from a bunny hugger.
I"ve known more than a few ranchers down south that have as good or better luck with snares.... This simply is not true. M44s are canine specific.They must be pulled with the mouth. Only canines do it.Other animals don't do it.That is why they work so good around other animals. You can put them right in livestock with no issues. When I set them I am required to put a sign on a stake by the device, and have signs on all gates. These people simply had a dog run loose chasing deer somewhere, and it found and pulled an M44. Then they wanted to blame someone for their running dog. So a coon is a canine? I know a fox is. A goat certainly isnt' but we all know goats chew and pull on all kinds of crap at times.. But it is not canine specific. I've seen that a few times over with my own eyes. How do you know the dog was chasing deer? I might should read more... LOL In 15 years of running M44s I have never taken anything but canines.,( coyotes, and the occasional fox). No bobcats,lions,coons,or anything else. And I use a lot of them.
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Interesting on the multiple signs.... I may have to snap a few pictures and then ask the trapper about rules and regs... actually not, that might get us kicked off... weird situation....
I"ve not seen a dead dog in a snare, but I"ve seen live ones for sure, seems when it snugs they stop around here and just wait.
Yep, landowner doesn't want yotes around killing his goats. Goats suck for deer hunting as you know. But we don't have them every year. Just depends on rotation, browse vs rain etc....
I've really no choice at this time, well you know what I mean.. way to close of a drive, we are growing good deer, and its still somewhat affordable. When/if we get off the place, I'll likely not have a deer lease anymore.
M44s do a good job and generally target the right animals, but I've seen enough of the other stuff killed to wonder. Not that its a big deal to loose a coon or a fox, but they aren't a specific killer.
Now that you mention it, I"ve never seen a cat killed by one either. And when we had a lion on the place last year he set up snares to catch the lion and never did.
If he would be smarter about the snare locations we wouldn't loose so many deer either but he and the landowner dont care. Landowner is an attorney and has flat told us since his dad died and so on... this is what you get, take it or leave it... sucks eh... LOL
Only time I"ve turned our child Tiger loose is when he jumped a wounded 10 point, so he could bay him, ended up running him into a pond, and then came back when I called him off so we could shoot the deer again. We trail on a 25 foot lead. He did yank it out of my hand once, but that wasn't there, at least I have GPS on him from that day on...
You named your kid "Tiger"? That's badass! LOL< when the lord blessed you with 4 legged children, thats what they are, children to us. Doesn't whine or cry much either... and damn efficient. And if I were the type to want to make money, folks get up to 500-600 to go look for a deer with their dogs... we have fun and help friends out... Dogs ain't kids. Equating the two is beyond ridiculous. I have dogs, and I am damned fond of them. But they ain't kids.
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We maybe entering a new era where you will have to take care of your own problems because the government will not. Might even have to be responsible for your too.
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Did they have proper signage up, and or were the nearest landowners contacted? Were the M-44's placed on private or public ground? If all reasonable methods for safe application were followed, then maybe the kid should not have ignored the signs and warnings. If all reasonable methods for safe application were not followed, then it might be time for the governing agency to review their procedure, no? 
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I'm guessing here, but I wouldn't be surprised if at least a dozen dogs were hit and killed as they walked with their owners today by cars. Not a single story about that though.
Enter the M-44 and a dog tugging on one and holy chit all hell is breaking loose.
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Warning signs??? For young boys??? Yeah, that oughta work... And a 14 year old boy can't read?
I've always been a curmudgeon - now I'm an old curmudgeon.
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I"ve not seen a dead dog in a snare, but I"ve seen live ones for sure, seems when it snugs they stop around here and just wait.
Domestic dogs seldom fight a snare but never say never. As far as snare location to avoid Deer goes....you have to set trails and both use them. The guys that aren't catching Deer know how to use jump sticks....it has very little to do with location. Cats can definitely be snared but the problem is you usually just find the head in the snare. Coyotes won't mess with a live Bobcat but they have no problem eating a dead one. M-44's I know nothing about except how they function...I defer to Barry.
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We maybe entering a new era where you will have to take care of your own problems because the government will not. Might even have to be responsible for your too. I don't mind "taking care of my own problems" but .gov wants to restrict my options. What Rockinbbar said is gospel - I, too, am a licensed M44 applicator. I don't care for them, but they have their uses.
I've always been a curmudgeon - now I'm an old curmudgeon.
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Warning signs??? For young boys??? Yeah, that oughta work... And a 14 year old boy can't read? Well, uh, watcolorwazhe?
Ecc 10:2
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I"ve ZERO use for the damn things. They work though.
But running my trailing dog on our deer lease scares me. Even though he is rarely if ever off leash.
I just hate the idea of the things. Plus they kill anything and everything, not just target animals, unless your target is anything and everything. They target yotes on the deer lease. I see coons, fox, and a couple of goats almost every year.
They do at least put a sign on the gate. And a single sign at each site. I guess they do. I"d appreciate a bit better than a single sign above the M44, but I"d appreciate never seeing the damn things again.
Of course the govt trapper that runs ours also snares and kills at least a dozen or more deer from what I can tell a year by not putting snares in smart places..
And I'm far from a bunny hugger.
I"ve known more than a few ranchers down south that have as good or better luck with snares.... This simply is not true. M44s are canine specific.They must be pulled with the mouth. Only canines do it.Other animals don't do it.That is why they work so good around other animals. You can put them right in livestock with no issues. When I set them I am required to put a sign on a stake by the device, and have signs on all gates. These people simply had a dog run loose chasing deer somewhere, and it found and pulled an M44. Then they wanted to blame someone for their running dog. So a coon is a canine? I know a fox is. A goat certainly isnt' but we all know goats chew and pull on all kinds of crap at times.. But it is not canine specific. I've seen that a few times over with my own eyes. How do you know the dog was chasing deer? I might should read more... LOL In 15 years of running M44s I have never taken anything but canines.,( coyotes, and the occasional fox). No bobcats,lions,coons,or anything else. And I use a lot of them. Im' suspecting the lure was not correct, but I see probably 2 coons every deer season dead within 25 feet or less IIRC, of an M44.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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Maybe I'm missing something but anytime you set poison out at some time it's going to affect a non targeted victim. I'm liking a bounty system better than random poison. I see little good in this but we don't have a huge coyote problem. If I could vote on it, poisoning would end. But, that's just me.
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Maybe I'm missing something but anytime you set poison out at some time it's going to affect a non targeted victim. I'm liking a bounty system better than random poison. I see little good in this but we don't have a huge coyote problem. If I could vote on it, poisoning would end. But, that's just me.
kwg No, not anytime. Rarely. Very, very rarely in most cases. As mentioned, the M-44 have a very strict protocol. They target only canines. Of all the sets I've seen, I've only seen one fox that pulled one. Nothing else, collateral wise. We all have our opinions. And I'm not for random distribution of toxic agents to solve a problem that may be solved in another manner. But, when the stakes are someone's livelihood, and proper technique is followed, I sure don't have a problem with it. In fact, I wish they would come up with something for hogs that is safe and effective to use. I'm not sold on the Warfarin yet.
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The m44s are not set out poison as its referred to.
Its target specific and takes some extra action on the part of the animal to actually get poisoned.
Thinking more, maybe I see the fox/coons on our place because in all the years we've hunted there I've seen exactly one coyote and I shot that one.
They hang all the coyotes in a tree up front, and for the 1400 or so acres, they typically take about 5-6 coyotes a year from what I see. Snares and M44s. Probably gives the other critters more than a few chances to mess with em.
I honestly don't have a clue why they are after the coyotes so bad there, since they rarely get one, but thats maybe part of the reason too...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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You hit on something important there, Jeff. I have always liked to call coyotes.  Once word gets around that you may actually know what you are doing, the invitations and requests come pretty regular. Inevitably, I would get calls to come out to someone's sheep ranch. They want someone to call and kill away all their coyote problems.  Frankly, I'd rather call coyotes on Broadway in NYC. Probably stand a better chance of killing coyotes too! Ranches that have net wire fences and are ongoing with predator control don't have many, if any coyotes. An occasional trespassing coyote, maybe. In many cases, a sheep/goat operation has their killing done by surrounding coyotes that have learned to hit and run. Even seen some climb or jump fences to get into a sheep ranch. They leave after they kill, too.
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If I could vote on it, poisoning would end. kwg And THAT my friends, is THE problem. We lost our trapping and spring bear just because of uneducated azz's like this. If it don't affect me personally, I'll be sure to vote it away from those that it DOES affect. I better stop now, before I really go off......
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sometimes poison is the only option.
I"m getting that way with a particular rat at one of our gals from works house... We've trapped out 4-5, but there is seemingly only one left and sticky pads, regular traps, box traps, with nuts, peanut butter and cheese have failed so far...
I hate to poison for the smell factor, but it may be getting closer....
With anything selective use is always good with something that may not be target specific.
But to never want poisons is flat nuts. You can have the desire to never need to use them, but to not have them available is nuts.
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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You hit on something important there, Jeff. I have always liked to call coyotes. Once word gets around that you may actually know what you are doing, the invitations and requests come pretty regular. Inevitably, I would get calls to come out to someone's sheep ranch. They want someone to call and kill away all their coyote problems. Frankly, I'd rather call coyotes on Broadway in NYC. Probably stand a better chance of killing coyotes too! Ranches that have net wire fences and are ongoing with predator control don't have many, if any coyotes. An occasional trespassing coyote, maybe. In many cases, a sheep/goat operation has their killing done by surrounding coyotes that have learned to hit and run. Even seen some climb or jump fences to get into a sheep ranch. They leave after they kill, too. Interesting but makes sense. The one yote I shot, was eating on a dead goat that died of natural causes. It was coming across a wide open space, I missed getting off a good shot the evening before, but not that morning. 7x300 wtby had to stretch its legs for once a bit... something over 300 yards. our deal has goats off and on. No net fence on half of it, but its one of those 13 strand barb wire fence deals thats damn near 5.5 feet high... The game fence on the other sides is easy to snare, the deer don't come through the tiny low holes.... I suppose in reality it makes sense if you don't stay on top of them, they will over run you. Amazingly before the 13 strand fence was put in place we had lots of feral hogs. I think in teh last 5 years since the fence, we've shot one and I had another on camera. I'd not think that fence would slow em one bit...
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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