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So I have an itch that I have been wanting to scratch for a while and the fix is the following...

Kimber Mnt Accent - 280 Ackley w/ a SWFA 3-9X

Idea is a mountain rifle/backpack rifle that could be used in longer range when needed (6-700 yards max for me)

Could i do any worse?
Rifle - 5 pounds/5oz
Scope - 19 oz
Rings - 2-3oz

Puts me at 6 pounds 11-12oz...not too shabby

Sounds good, if you get one that shoots. Lots of bad reports on Kimber rifles.. Seems like there are more bad ones than good. Good luck.

The odds are that you'll get a Kimber that shoots just as well as anything else. The problem is finding shooters who can shoot a rifle that light accurately.

I have one in 308. With Leupold VX-2, 3-9X40 on it in Talley lightweights it is still a hair under 6 lbs. Like most Kimbers it shoots great if I do my part. Not the rifles fault, but I tend to shoot some other rifles in the 7-7.5 lb range better. I don't seem to shoot anything over 8 lbs any better than the 7.5 lb rifles.

You're looking at about 3/4 lb more than my rifle, almost 7 lbs. I think it'll be fine.

Lots of reports of Kimbers shooting amazing too....

Is there a reason you would go with the 280 AI? Brass is more expensive than 270 or 30/06? Just curious?

Im not a 30/06 guy and have no interest in owning one so that's out. I would be fine with the 270 as that has always been my go to round, just thought the 280 ackley would offer a better selection of lower drag, longer range bullets.

19 oz scope? What you going with?

The setup is fine as long as it shoots and you can shoot it. The concept of an ultra-light and long range don't go well together. In reference to long range this would be considered ultra-light...imho.

SWFA SS 3-9x42hd...

I don't want to make this a dedicated LR rig, but if I needed to reach out for a sheep or goat, I want to be able to dial in and reach out to say 5-600 yards and dial it in then back out. I feel that 5-600 yards is just to long to trust to a bdc reticle and just hold over.

The Leupold VX6/VX6HD in 3-18x44 with CDS, zero locks on both turrets, and illumination clocks in at 19.2 oz. It's what I'm putting on my 308 mountain Ascent (if it ever comes in). Just a thought.

Good choices all the way around.

David

I've offered to buy those "terrible shooters" in alibers I'm interested in many times on this forum for a fair price for a "terrible non-shooting rifle" and the owners seem to never want to get rid of them, or they want to sell at "as new in box" prices. Think about it... I put my money where others mouths are and they wouldn't follow through. It tells your the story on it's own.

Light rifles like the montanas, adirondacks, and mountain ascents have some kick even in calibers like 308, they also are designed to kill critters in rough conditions after being toted for a long time. They aren't benchrest guns, and tehy aren't built to choot tiny groups. But with good technique and patience at the bench and a good ammo combination they willl shoot 1" 5-shot groups alll day long. It just might take you all day to let the barrel cool between shots.

;]

All 6 of my Kimbers shoot MOA or better, and most of them have pretty low power scopes. I've got new production, guns and guns dating abck to 2004 in both 84M, 84L and 8400 (short action) Actions. They all weigh less than other guns designed to do the same thing, and they bite a little bit on the back end, but they work perfectly for my needs in their intended direction.

For 600-700 yard shots you need more scope power wise.
The Kimber is plenty accurate enough if you follow the BRAD tune-up protocol.
The big unknown is your ability to shoot well.
Actually I think 600-700 yards is just to far. Learn how to stalk.

I simply could not disagree more...

How much game or how many targets have you shot at 600+ yards with a 9x scope my friend? It's really hard to make blanket statements like you have made, especially to experienced riflemen. 600-700 yards is a chip shot for lots of folks. Come hunt coues deer in the AZ Backcountry and you'll love the ability to potentially shoot that far.

Have you ever wanted to take an animal that was 600+ yards out and there was literally no topographical way to get closer unless you spook them into the next county and then have to pass because it's 300 yards out of range but conditions were perfect?

I'll simply say that I suspect you hunt in country back East for the most part. Where do you do most of your hunting?

Thanks....

I was thinking of getting a kimber ascent in 7mm or 300wm at one point but decided not to. I just don't have much use for such a gun since I don't take such long shots at animals and I don't really shoot many magnums.

In fact the only magnum I have now is a few 375HH rifles which are just for bear stuff and because I like them. 99% of my hunting happens with 308, 06 or a 270.

I have that setup with about 80 rounds through it I'll sell you for $2000 shipped and insured.

I can't speak for kimber rifles, as I've not used any. But that 3-9SS sounds perfect for what you want to do. The more I use mine the more impressed I am with it. It's tough, dials correctly, and returns to zero. The Milquad reticle is extremely user friendly and useful. I just put mine on a 308, had it dialed in in 4 shots. Checked 250 yard zero, 500 yards, 700 yards, then to 1100 yards. They were all on. Can't ask for more.

It's a good idea.

NF instead of SWFA




I imagine you'll get one that is fine, but this one was an epic chit show. Horribly cut chamber, stock really jacked up, and needed every trick. It started off shooting terrible... and never got much better..... until a new barrel.


Took a lot of work to go from 4+ MOA to this...




Then a lot more to get to this and it's the best it ever got...

Now I've only shot a dozen or quite a few more.... But ULA/NULA's are light as well, correct....? Wonder why you don't hear about them not shooting good.... Nor do the same people that have bad shooting Kimbers because they "don't know how to shoot light rifles" have any problems shooting the exact guns once they get them rebarreled...


Kimber has an awesome package with the Montana/Ascent /etc, but their QC sucks.

I'd be all 7-08.

Screw that 24" bbl and the long action.

I like the combo. If you are serious you should jump all over TheBigSky's offer.

I bought my Montana .280AI from him, and could not be happier.



YMMV.

Probably because nobody who drops the $$$ on a NULA is going to admit that they can't shoot it for [bleep]....

Just joking (sort of).

I've never needed that sort of range for sheep and goats. Nor would I want to try.

Yep. All 4 in my safe will do MOA with hunting bullets..

To the OP - I'd also consider a plain Jain Montana. My 270 84L weighs 6.5 lbs with scope, my 308 a bit over 6. It's up to you on $ spent vs how many ounces to save.

I also agree with your cartridge choice. I've been a fan of the 280 since the early 80s. Tough to beat a good 150-160 gr 0.284 bullet. I will say, in a light rifle, the 280 is going to recoil a bit.

Wouldnt be my rifle of choice for a 6-700 yard shot.

I just wish I wasn't such a crappy shot! It sounds like a 700yd shot on meat is a chip shot for everyone but me. I mean, I shoot steel out to 700yds most weekends and 850yds once a month or so, on a few different bipod'd rifles. It always seems a little different in the hunting field with a light hiking rifle and a 20-30 mph crosswind though.

Seems like if you want to make a habit of this, you need something that has some horsepower, magazine length to accommodate slippery bullets, and weighs 8 lbs +/-. Build a 280AI or 7mag (depending on boltface)on a long action 700, with modest barrel length and contour of 0.625" +/-, and a 25 - 30 oz stock. Or skip the build and buy a SS ADL 30-06 or 7mag and go from there. I'm at just over 8lbs with a 24" SS factory 7mag, DDs and a leupold 6x in a 30 oz McMillan stock. '06 and 7mag throating will both let you kiss lands with slippery stuff and stay within mag confines.

A SWFA 6x will put you a half pound heavier than a leupold 6x, plus whatever difference in mounts. The SWFA 1x4 gets you closer, but is still a few oz heavier. Those obsessed with aiming at thumbtacks on a windless range will always have a problem with the concept of 4x on a western rifle, but those who've lined up on basketball or beachball size targets at those ranges realize that getting a good sight picture way out there really isn't that tough. Some would rather count hairs through their scope vs shoot the animal.

I'd be looking at a M1 on a leupold 4x or 6x to see if you can get repeatability, and if not, go to SWFA and suffer under the weight.

You're not the only one.....

MUCH hilarity here!

Firstly,think bullets...not headstamps,as THE opening move. Hint.

Twist/throat/COAL matter more than a "smidge". Hint.

Trigger time trumps all. Hint.










'ing8,

I'd go Montucky Kreedmire,due the great reduction in noise,recoil,length,weight and the ability to launch upper echelong BC's with greater Precision(and Fun). Hint.

The 280/280AI is a great way to fly,but not on a Montucky,due their relatively trite COAL threshold. The 6-06 is a superior mechanical approach,given those considerations and prolly why I built a 8" Brux contour duped/shortened shank upon a Montucky Twat-Six Donor. Hint.

DD's,6x MQ and a .530BC at 3325fps. Prolly don't suck. Hint.



In the Real World,contending atmospherics matters more than a smidge and impact velocity,is farrrrrrr more important than launch velocity. BC do more than a few nice thangs,doubly so in a fun to shoot parcel. Hint.

Very easy to arrange a .697BC at 2700fps in a Kreedmire. With a 200yd zero,the 1000yd line is 8Mils of windshield away,in this morning's atmosphere. 1125yds is a 10 Mil cursory gawk through the ocular and hardly a big fhuqking deal,as trajectory goes. 5 Mils of 10mph windshield windage correction,in full value conditions,is well beyond the 2000yd line. Hint.

Nothing else will slip conditions as well,with a like amount of recoil. Hint.

'Course I don't get to shoot well thunked Montucks expressly set up to do a whole bunch more,than your very modest requisites,more often than every day. Hint.






Just sayin'.

Pass the 6x MQ hold the Fluff and forget the variables. If you pay attention,you'd blow your own mind on your first outing,as the dots will literally connect themself.

You've been led to water.

Hint....................















'guide,

DO "tell" about your version of "knowledge","experience" and "results" with said parcel(s). Feel free to swing for the fence in regards to rifle,boolit,mounting system and scope "particulars"...in no certain order. It WILL be funnier than fhuqk,if you TRY. Congratulations?!?

Someone who "knows" as "much" as you,is always gonna be best served by asking questions,rather than giving "answers". Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............















'40,

As rifle mass decreases,trigger pull weight must as well...if only because there is less mass on the scene,to contend the impetus of same.

I could not begin to count the number of folks who on their very first shot with one of my rifles,greatly exceeded the ceiling of their prior most distant connect. Hell...I've seen them boringly reliable results,sell more than a fhuqking [bleep] ton of scopes,rifles and boolits.(grin)

Most folks are fighting schit mounting systems and HEAVILY compromised mechanical scope integrity,less having a first fhuqking clue as to the maladies. 'Course,they launch alotta Ping Pong Balls too and then malign "the rifle". FUNNY schit!

Bless their hearts.

Laughing!....................















'45,

I doubt I've been around more than 50 Montuckys and have yet to see one that weren't a fhuqking PEACH. Incorrect assembly,schit mounts/glass,poor bedding attempts and schit ammo plague 'em routinely. Rifles talk...yet noone listens.

Have fixed countless rifles that "didn't shoot",by simply Starting At The Fhuqking Start and never had one whoop me yet. Still HOPING for it to come to fruition,just so I could have that T-shirt too.(grin)

Hint....................














'68,

280AI brass costs the same as anything else. I always wanna form my own and drive an initial false shoulder anyhow,to have finite control upon initial and subsequent headspace.

Hint.

Have yet to see someone who could set up a set of dies correctly.

HINT..................














'Jockey,

Trigger time,is trigger time and though everyone talks about it...NOONE does it. If they did,they'd not mutter such absolutely fhuqking STUPID schit. Hint.

I'm rather at ease in slapping 1200yd steel with my "lowly" 18" Montucky 270 and 105's steered with a subtended Illuminatti pinned to 4X. That rifle really fhuqks with pointy heads and there contrived notions.

Waiting on a wingman now and will be schlepping that NASTY little bitch streamside,along with me. Good day to catch a Bear moving about.


Hint.....................















'AU,

Your fascination with sheer and utter Goat Fhuqks,is nothing shy of SPECTACULAR Hilarity. The ONLY fhuqking thing you "shoot",is your mouth. Congratulations?!?

Your CLUELESSNESS is epic in it's grandeur. CDS/BDC are fhuqking jokes,just like you. hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............















'duct,

It's been a spell now,since someone was dumb enough to take my money for a rifle that "didn't shoot". They quit "telling" me schit and started listenin'...then "all" those "bad" rifles simply disappeared.(grin)

FUNNY schit!.................















Rin',

The LEAST important aspect on a glass that aligns POA/POI RELIABLY,is X's. It's all but moot.

Joe Average is over headstamped,under boolited and wayyyyyy over X'd...while schlepping schit that has heavily compromised mechanical integrity.

Though I do getta kick outta folks who don't listen and chase their tails.......................(grin)















Greg',

Many folks are well over their heads at the 50yd line. Then they prove it.(grin)

I routinely shoot Rimfires beyond the 600yd line and it's funnier than fhuqk to grant a dyed in the wool Dissenter,opportunity to partake and change tunes...after the first poke. Seen it lots.(grin)



Physics is Physics and I enjoy Window Lickers that have never even seen the wares associated,let alone used 'em,weigh in with "all" they "know".

FUNNY schit!...............















'jrk,

Having implicit FAITH in an Optic,sure as fhuqk is soothin'. Was talking to a pard yesterday,about rifles that "don't shoot" and the not so curious connection of the current crop of Reupold's and their role in arranging same. The new schit,really sucks ass,while a couple Gen's back were far more reliable. Shame.

For some strange reason,there's been 100's of Fixed Fhuqkers procured and flogged upon,less a single woe. Been some spectacular crashes and while mounting systems have failed(namely LW's),nary a single glass has.

They've REALLY changed the game,in unerring reliability and windshield splendor. Two rotations of a Reupold CDS,is still well shy of a Fixed Fhuqker MQ's windshield AND actually do as intended.

Them facts,tend to hurt Window Licker's feelin's.................(grin)















Form',

I've seen some botched schit,but never one that couldn't be made happy with a shred of sense.

Have rebarreled 'em because I shot barrels out,or wanted a chambering/twist/throat that weren't in the catalog....but never due to Precision.

Prolly need to build a 20" contour duped/shortened shank 6 Kreedmire,just for giggles.

Montuckys STEAL The Show and then some.................















'bean,

The Kreedmire will outpace the 7-08 and do it with less recoil.

Bullets/bullets/bullets.

Hint....................














'DUDE,

You've ZERO idea,how close the 700yd line is,with a sound platform...that extolls the simplistic constant of boolit/glass/mounts and actual USE. Hint.

ZERO.

Hint................













'scotty,

For perspective,describe the platforms and their particulars,which soooooooo very reliably whoop your ass. Say sumptin' about boolits,glass,mounts,etc. It WILL be fhuqking funny.

Pics would be fhuqking hilarious too.

Mebbe also delve a leetle deeper on how/why you feel compelled to launch bullets at Critters in a Hurricane,given your "means","abilities" and "comprehension". Spare NO details,as others will getta laugh at your fhuqking Stupidity. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..................
















Vek,

"Horsepower" is arranged numerous ways,but THE constant is...boolits matter more than anything else. Another constant is,that the Handier?dandier the parcel and more fhuqking FUN it is to schlep/shoot,the more the fhuqking thing gets schlepped/shot. That is how dots are connected and "luck" arranged in non-lineal fashion. Hint.

A 6x42 M1 ele with LW's is a 8 oz buffer over a 6x MQ with DD's. I've broken too many LW's and the Fixed Fhuqker will track in superior fashion,grant opportunity upon the windshield that Reupold cain't even begin to fathom and you can club dinner to death with it,if so inclined. 'Course I've broken Reupold windshields too and that stops the game. Pun be intended.

I've multiple Illuminatti's and am hip on the notion and they absolutely DESTROY all thangs Reupold. They have 62 fhuqking Mils on the erector,another 10 on the etched windshield,the illumination rheostat is killer,the extry battery storage compartment more of the same and illumination is placed ONLY where it's needed upon the windshield. They are easy to zero stop too. Hint.

POA/POI intersections in distant Zip Codes are not predicated upon X value of Optics,but rather mechanical integrity and folks who ACTUALLY shoot,tend to appreciate them etched in stone constants.

The Hubble Crowd cracks me he fhuqk up and that before they even TRY to shoot.(grin)

It's never been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't.

Bless their hearts.......................














'winters,

The 147 Kreedmire CRUSHES the 280/280AI,with the boolits you cite.

I realize that'll only come as a "surprise" to you. Hint.

Feel free to TRY yet again.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................

Works for me...

Found a short clip of Big Stick while typing his rants:

'dick (not so much of a hint)

A little early for crack smokin' isn't it?

I realize my error now in not listing a specific bewlit for you. Its obvious a 147 gr 6.5 cal ELDX with its BC of 0.697 pushed at 2700 by the Creed is far superior to a 150 gr 0.284 cal ELDX (BC 0.574) pushed at a sedate 2900 in the plain jane 280. Put both with the same zero, maximum y, or any other retarded combination you care to dream up, the plain jane 280 shoots flatter; the AI version only more so.

As to wind drift, obviously a man of your skilltitude can fully harness the 7" or so of less drift afforded the Creed - at 1000 yards. And of course 7" less wind drift more than compensates for the 14" extra inches or so of drop with your Creed.

Nice try.

Me either but come on don't base what others can do by your own abilities or lack of.

Most guys have a very hard time admitting they can't shoot as well as they'd like. Some guys admit it and do something about it. Several guys in this thread can most likely shoot as good if not better at 600-700 than I do at 300.

Agree. I didn't say I couldn't do it, I'm not comfortable when a living beast is out there. For me, too many things can go wrong when the trigger is tripped. I'll stay inside of 500 and calmish winds.

Nice Jordan, 7-08 or WSM?

Kaleb ^
This was more the point...

I don't post here much, but this Big Stick clown y'all got is a trip! Misspelling every other word is Hullarious! Laffin' Fo Sho Bro!

20-30 mph is hurricane level? Lol. Does no one outside of Wyoming have to hunt in heavy winds if they want to hunt at all? Lucky dogs, wind is 90% of the difficulty in longer range shooting.

Brad,

That was from the WSM. Would have worked fine from the 7-08, too.

I don't 6.5....

Oh wait. Yes I do...

Wow it's like Christmas. I woke up to see I was mentioned in a big stick rant.

I fee honored, he even took the time to try to insult me by saying exactly what id already said lol.

Jordan,

You might could be onto sumptin',with a 7 Whizzum Montucky. If only because they is without doubt,the best Killing Rifle ever to roll out of a Factory.

Their twist/throat/COAL connects all dots and though I've only got (3) of 'em,mine will all kiss/nestle mag confines with the 180 ELD and scoot 'em to 2900fps. Of course same goes the 162 Melt 'Max,162 ELD No-Melts too. Gots me a "hunch",they's prolly the first (3) in the left of an above frame,were I forced to draw an arrow for the Window Lickers.

The Montucky .473" L/A is a bust in COAL and a HUGE compromise,as compared to say a 700,once bore sizing exceeds .243".

I'm thinkin' the astute will note a brace of loaded 6-06 rounds wearin' 105 Hornie HPBT's at a square kiss,which just happens to nestle L/A .473" Montucky mag confines to within' .025"...which was prolly part of a very well thunked blueprinting plan. Further,them who shoot,will be able to extrapolate said COAL in relation to same,setting within a 700 L/A magbox and connect dots,that as bore sizing increases,good boolits do get a touch longer.(grin)

That fact might could be represented plainly,with the aforementioned .243" 105 Hornie HPBT,.264" 147 ELD,.284" 180 ELD,.308" 208 Melt 'Max and a .338" 250 Skinner set there for comparison.

There might could be 1000 words on mag confines,with 243 SALAMI 105 Hornie HPBT Smooches nestled in a ASC Krunchenticker mag for a 1-7" 5R SPLENDID Self Shucker. Might could be a binderless AICS footprint DBM sportin' a 180 ELD square smooch comfortably within confines,in order to yield a 2700fps 7-08 Aye-Eye launch. Prolly a Seven ShamWow plugging the fhuqking landing on a OEM S/A 700 magbox with a 120 TSX and a leetle more correlation on what do and more importantly,do NOT jive.



Montucky L/A .473" donor COAL,in another 1000 words and why a 280AI chambered in same,is a bitter pill. 'Course none of The Paper Hat Brigade will savvy any of it,which never ain't not THE best part.(grin)



Am thinkin' there's prolly a touch more correlation here. Not that any of the CLUELESS Kchunts can/will savvy.



The Montucky 7 Whizzum simply does things that the Montucky 280AI can not,due the thing that matters most...which just happens to be boolits. Ordered another Thousandity 180 ELD's this morning,just to be sure.(grin)

Them facts are unsettlin',to Window Lickers ridin' the SHORT bus.

Bless their hearts....................(grin)
















AU,

You Whining CLUELESS Kchunt,I enjoy how facts reliably collide with your Fantasy. Congratulations?!?

You'll haveta' pardon my being afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess...mainly because I shoot it all and then some. Hint.

I realize that you gotta "live" vicariously and plagiarism is as close as you'll ever come and rest assured I do NOT wanna swipe neither your Imagination or it's Pretend,if only because it is all that you've "got". You "lucky" kchunt. Laughing!

Pardon the reality of my being able to laughingly crunch sub .5 MOA 700yd clusters,as per my fhuqking whim. The astute will note the impetus to simply let upper echelon BC's do their thang ala magfed Smooch and slip conditions.

Funnier than fhuqk,that it will ALL go over your head(RINK).

The ONLY thing you Stupid Fhuqks "shoot",is your mouths and Imagination. Not that I don't enjoy how "real" it is to you,to "do" same. Laughing!

You'd do well to take notes and apply same. Hint.

You've been led to water...thank me later.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................















'winters,

Weren't my intent to horn you up. Congratulations?!?

You've never even fhuqking SEEN a 150 ELD,let alone a 147. You Day Dreaming Do NOTHING Dumb Fhuqks are a hoot! Besides being 100% Clueless,you are also a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit...what was the "odds"?!?

Knock 'er outta Da' Park and flaunt your Imagination and it's Pretend some more and extoll the "virtues" on how adding recoil and wind drift are "advantages",to let a long action,ALMOST run with a short action? Spare no "details" and share some of the "particulars" you "use" in your Fabricated Delusion(s). What glass/mounts are you "using"? I assure you,it will be funnier than fhuqk. Hint.

I'm always torn on which is more fhuqking funny...The Silence or The Attempt. Do not let the cat get your tongue,nor the couch your kchunt.

Here...lemme fuel your Imagination and Pretend even more and you can now say you've "seen" 260AI 147 ELD binderless mag Smooches at 2900fps,7-08AI 180 ELD binderless mag smooches at 2700fps and 7 Whizzum Montucky 180ELD OEM box fed smooches at 2900fps.



Pass the Kreedmire 147's(far left...so now you can say you've "seen" one) in an OEM Montucky.



Just sayin'.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................















kaleb,

Nobody has ever got GOOD with a rifle,by talking about it...but there's millions of DUMB Fhuqks giving that impossibility their "all" and a good sized herd of 'em right here.(grin)

Never been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't. Hint.

Bless their hearts.

Laughing!..............















'scotty,

You go girl...you "really" "know" your "stuff". Congratulations?!?

I'll feign my GREAT "surprise",that the ONLY fhuqking thing you can "offer" in the first hand,is more Whine. What were the "odds"?!?

This Kansas weather is always perfect...you poor poor STUPID Fhuqk. It is a shame,that you CLUELESS Kchunts have less than zero inkling,to your incredible Dumbfhuqktitude. You be SURE to cite any/all words I used that were "too long" or "too Technical" and I'll use a lesser version,so you "think" you have a "chance". Hint. Laughing!

80 degrees and nary a breath of wind yesterday.



Wow +P++!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................















'bean.

8mm Mouser for me. J...not S.

Laughing!..............















'PENDOOSH,

Noone can insult you,better than you can...by simply doing your BEST. Hint. Congratulations?!?

Isn't it a fascinating constant,that you haven't the "means","ability" or "comprehension" to begin to keep pace...but are "blessed" with enough Imagination and Pretend to concoct THE Delusion that you "think" you do? The poignant profundity of that perpetual Dichotomy,is absolutely funnier than fhuqk. Hint.

Pardon the fact,that what I said is the antithesis of what you "think" I said and you needn't try to suck my ass,in the false hope of gaining a first fhuqking clue. Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................

Here's a couple groups from my 7 WSM Kimber from a couple weeks ago. 100 yards, prone w/Harris and a beanbag. 162 Amax's, the melty ones <grin>:





But with that having been said, here's my thoughts on the matter.

Shooting ultralight rifles that well is HARD. Anyone who wants to do so had better either have already put in the work to get good that way, or be prepared to put in the work. It will likely take many hundreds of rounds minimum just getting your technique figured out. In particular, horizontal stringing is a bear with ultralights. The cure is a REALLY light trigger and consistent right hand position and trigger pull. The trigger on my Kimber is under a pound pull. Beyond that is just the need to build a good position; the crosshairs should "want" to be on the target, don't be using muscle tension to pull or push the crosshairs onto the bullseye or upon recoil that stored muscle energy will throw a flyer.

Those things are all true with any rifle, but an ultralight will really show you your ass so to speak.

A sub-6 lb .280AI shooting long range bullets (heavies) will be a handful. Just go into it knowing there's likely gonna be some personal work to do. Don't expect things to be real consistent at first.

Edit: 3-9 is PLENTY of X's to get to the OP's max range. I'm about to put a scope with a 10x top end onto a high-end rifle build I intend to shoot out to TWICE the OP's max range. No experience with them but by all accounts the SWFA is a great choice.

Whoa whoa whoa. I never said anything about you not being able to shoot. Quite contrary. I'd bet you're the best old stinky phaggot of a shooter there ever was. We can all only hope to be half the shooter.

Your retarded monkey-scratch post hurts my eyes. Tell you what sport, why don't you go ahead and rearrange that keyboard diahrea into something approaching English, then maybe we'll talk.

Until then I guess I'm supposed to assume that numerous pictures of fugly rifles = some sort of Skillz. Lol, you're a funny little troll, I see why they keep you around.

Awesom!!!! I got into another big stick rant!!!!

...laughing......

Could try and track down a nice slightly used Remington 700KS? Then use the scope of your choice and be off to the races? What ever route you choose that rifle better fit you like a glove. Just a thought. I can not stress enough how well or the level of importance that a proper rifle fit is going to be in this situation. At least IMVHO

I agree. I have a new 6.5 Montana I'm working on, and while it is delivering pretty solid results, it is definitely more work to shoot 5 shot groups well than other heavier hunting rifles I've had, and far more work than dedicated range guns. The trigger is down to 2.75lb from the factory 4.5lb, but I don't imagine I'll go much below that.

I have 3 SWFA's, a 3-15 on my RPR, a fixed 12x on my CTR, and the 3-9 that the OP is asking about, sitting in my safe, but formerly on a M70 EW, all mil/mil. The SWFA's aren't going to match the more expensive scopes for clarity, but they are more than clear enough for most uses, and are very repeatable, which is what's most important if you're twisting turrets. The SWFA's are chunky compared to lighter purpose built hunting scopes, but on the other hand are just under half the weight of a Razor II, all about perspective I guess.

Yeah, the Razor II weighs an even 3 lbs.

JeffZero,

It is never not funnier than fhuqk,to grant you the opportunity to expound upon your sheer and utter CLUELESSNESS. Congratulations?!?

Ain't it a hoot,that despite how much time you spend TRYING to "convince" yourself that you "shoot"...your gross inability to correlate POA/POI intersections,with simplistic 100yd paper,just cain't ever fhuqking happen. FUNNY schit!

The only thing you "shoot" is your mouth and Imagination.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............















AU,

It's your Imagination,Pretend with it as you must. You haven't the "means","abilities" nor "comprehension" to begin to eek a first fhuqking clue and given your HILARIOUS track record...never fhuqking will. Congratulations?!?

No slighting the magnitude of your Vagina Monologue,or incredibly long list of very WELL founded Insecurities...you "lucky" kchunt.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..............















Gtwatty,

I plainly stated,that if you cite any/all words that were "too long" or "too Technical",I'd happily use lesser versions so even someone as fhuqking STUPID as you,could understand. There's no slighting how deserved,your Handicap Parking stickers are. Congratulations?!?

Purty slow day yesterday,here in Kansas. Temps hit 95 degrees,the Largemouth are settin' on their nests spawnin' and surface tackle connects alotta dots. mebbe extoll a smidge more,on the Sweet "Satisfactions" of setting on your couchbound kchunt and "living" vicariously with your Imagination and it's Pretend. Laughing!

I'm a little bit bummed that only my flash transmitters arrived and am still waiting on the flash units proper. Am a touched concerned tha they'll overheat with hard use at ambient temps of a hunnert and above,but wouldn't fret it at 95. Google it. Laughing!

Note the salt stacked up along side The Mill Pond. Laughing!



Illuminatti is still hangin' in there,despite being a Safe Queen. Copper Clacker to the rescue,because Bass love 'em. Laughing!



Sadly,she cain't be too far,from needing her 3rd barrel. That despite sub 25grs of propellant to fuel 105's,being rather forgiving by nature. Pun be intended. Double beaded maribou,another Bucketmouth staple in warm water. Laughing!



In fairness however,nothing went better than two and a half pounds or so. Laughing!



Always a hoot,when you extoll on all the schit you are gonna "do",with all the wares you are gonna "get" and all the places you are gonna "use" 'em. Laughing!

Be sure to chime in,if some year...your kchunt actually leaves your couch. Don't let the cat get your tongue. Hint. Just sayin'. Laughing!

You "hard chargers" are a fhuqking RIOT!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................















PENDOOSH,

It'll only come as a "surprise" to you,that your fhuqking Incredible STUPIDITY,is not a Secret Squirrel "advantage". Congratulations?!? Hint.

Ain't it a hoot,that reading my every word and gawking my every pixel,is as close as you'll ever get.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................















Twat6,

The KS cain't begin to touch Montucky Magnitude. The stocks ain't horrid,have had more than a few...but Big Green has never offered anything even approaching Montucky Kreedmire Splendor. That includes 1st Gen Ti's and I've had a few of them as well. Hint.

1st Gen Ti 7-08. 115 degrees that day. Hint. Laughing!



KS top right in 25-06AI(Kreedmire crushes it). Top left 700 AWR 375 H&H AI. I always was gonna try me one of them there MacaMillion stocks,to see what the fuss was about. Hint. Laughing!



As ergo's go,the Montucky is without peer,in OEM guise.

Hint.

Pardon my shooting it all.

Re-hint.................














Magnumdoosh,

I laugh my fhuqking ass off,every time you fhuqking try to "talk" rifles and ACT like you "use" them. Congratulations?!?

YOU couldn't even cite someone who "knows" or "does" LESS than you...you "lucky" kchunt. Cain't wait for you Do NOTHING Kchunts to "tell" me "more".

Bless your hearts.

Laughing!.................

Big stick,

Is that you in those pics? When I read your posts someone with the appearance more closely resembling Christopher walken comes to mind. Besides the hulk stash you look like a pretty normal dude. I guess you just never know.

Peace and goodwill

MM

He looks pretty much exactly like what I expected. He must be lonely.

I don't know if getting dumped and divorced would make a narccissitic azzhole like him lonely. Likely all he saw her as was someone to do housework and cook meals. He couldn't possibly claim to have spent quality time with any of them. He enjoys his own company way above and beyond anyone else...even if he has developed a fat 2nd chin.

I really enjoy Big Stick's input. Obviously he knows a lot based on doing a lot. Granted, one has to read critically and dig but the knowledge is there. I learn something from every post.

The guy lives in AK and only hunts blacktail and black bears... and he "does a lot?" BS. He doesn't hunt out of sight of logging roads. Where are the caribou, sheep, goats, moose? That would require work, and that requires more than hauling your fat ass around on an ATV or truck, sniping the low hanging fruit. He certainly does shoot paper a lot, and does know about that. He also runs his mouth a lot, but that's not the same as hunting the highcountry, which is what this thread is about... he's never been on a mountain backpack hunt in his life.

You can bullchit the fans, but you can't bullchit the players...

Exactly.

There's only two options:

1) Troll

2) Mentally Unstable/Defective

I choose to believe #1 because it's fun and mental problems are no laughing matter. He does spend an incredible amount of time on them though, and some of his rifles' paint schemes make me start to lean to #2...

Although I've never been on a mountain backpack hunt in my life so I admittedly am a "stupid [bleep]".

× 100

I started a post in response to his diatribe on me but declined, have better things to do. Anyone with a ballistics program and 2 minutes can discover the error of his post. Secondly, as you correctly point out, the OP was asking about mountain rifles - not 1000 yard ballistics. Guys get all wrapped up in his BS and insults and miss the fact that he diverts every discussion to shooting 1000 yard paper targets. Strap a backpack on and give it a whirl. Or simply do a day hunt 4-5 miles off Trail. More to mountain hunting than cartridges and rifles. If that was all it took, we'd all be driving 6.5-378 in 10 lbs rifles shooting the latest whizbang slippery target bullets.

As he's fond of saying, you can BS the fans but not the players.

The other thing I'd add for the newer guys. I've been here long enough to have seen BS evolution on cartridges, rifles, scopes, and methods. You'd think he was the fount of all knowledge. He seems to forget he evolved over the years - in more ways than one. You'd think he'd give that same courtesy to others. I recall the days of a useful, and witty, BS post. Those days are long gone.

I also wonder what he'd do it we posted 10 individual BS threads at once. With his 1 post/day limit it'd be fun to watch. Kind of like a male Yorkie in a field full of fire hydrants. He'd explode trying to figure out which one to piss on.......

Brad... plus one.

BWinters... yeah, it'd be fun to go back a few mere years and dig up his pists declaring the 6x Leupold and before that the 3.5-10 Leupold as the shizzle... but life is too short.

Big Stick: those groups weren't about punching the bulls. I was re-zeroing after installing my fancy lil' ring-level Gen2 prototype.





Since it was a clean target and I was shooting well I shot a couple groups for the camera. I suggest you print out these pics and put them on your reloading room wall as an inspirational image showing what's possible when a talented rifleman, a Nightforce SHV, and a good 7 WSM Kimber come together.

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At least Jeff put the level in front of the turret on that scope. Baby steps, baby steps....

Oh chit!

Age has obviously softened you up but don't tell me modesty has come with it as well?

I mean seriously, that Golden Corral and Crockett gobbler chin probably goes an easy 5 or 6 pounds!


Hard chargin' the old ladies at the buffet line!


Hahahaha, LMAO!

I've got a 257 WBY Ultralight that might be what the OP is looking for.

The thing about Stick is that he has a wealth of knowledge in a limited, specialized area. When one does all their hunting and shooting in a specific locale, without experiencing different climates and hunting techniques, gear and techniques evolve for that specialized area and may not work worth a damn elsewhere.

For example, Stick’s use of H335. The stuff works fine in a climate which varies something like 35 degrees between average winter lows and average summer highs (SE Alaska). In parts of Montana that number changes to around 70-80 degrees difference, and that’s where H335 shows its temperature sensitivity. Nasty stuff, best used for burning ice off sidewalks.

Same thing with advocating the fixed power SWFAs for a mountain rifle. Great scopes, but bulky and have a tendency to not fit well in rifle scabbards. I’ve had the turrets spin while horseback with a scabbard, even with zero stops. So while they may work fine out of a boat, different story on a horseback mountain hunt.

So Stick’s advice should be taken for what it is - good advice for his specific uses, but much of his advice is not real practical for many of us.

That's one reason I think turrets on a general purpose hunting suck. I will take ballistic reticle any day.

I hunt differently and hunt different types of places than Stick, but consider me as one that likes SWFAs on a backpack hunt. I've used them a bunch and haven't had an issue.

Tanner

He very well may have a wealth of knowledge about shooting but so do lots of other People here, I've been hunting Alaska hard for over a decade now and I would t talk down to anybody for having less experience than me.

Calling people poor and stupid while bragging about all your toys is t the best way to make yourself look good. It dosent matter though, it's the Internet, it's probably the only place where stick feels important.

+1

I fully agree, and was not standing up for the guy’s behavior in any way, shape, or form.

Don’t get me wrong, I really like the lower profile, stiffer turrets of the SWFA 3-9 and 10x HD. The larger knobs of the cheaper fixed powers and 3-15 is where myself and several acquaintances have seen issues.

My Kimber MA in 270 w/Leupold 6x36 in Talleys comes in at 6-1....so sweet to handle and carry.

mitchell',

I've never not been me and there are countless wannabe's who've spent alotta time/effort in trying emulate me...which is never not funnier than fhuqk. More than a few is on this thread alone. Hint.

Only fair to grant folks oportunity,to shoot for the stars in sucha fashion.

Bless their hearts.

Laughing!...............















'PENNDOOSH,

As I cited plainly,NOBODY can "make" you look like a bigger DUMB Fhuqk than you can...by simply doing your "best". Congratulations?!?

Good luck on being the first CLUELESS Fhuqk,to TRY and Whine herself to her first clue.

It only come as a "surprise" to you,that I'm quite a little bit better in person. I'm at ease in speaking matter of factly,simply because facts fhuqking matter...to the astute. You Whining CLUELESS Fhuqks are always gonna find a "reason" to Whine and then poke your heads in the sand...then go FULL Fhuqking Retard with Imaginary Pretend Ignore. FUNNY schit!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..........















MagnumDoosh,

I'll yet again feign my GREAT "surprise",that you are unable to cite ANYONE that "does" or "knows" less than you. Congratulations?!?

At least Imagination and Pretend are priced within your "means",so you can "afford" to "contribute"...you "lucky" kchunt.

Ain't it a not so "curious" constant,that besides beings a CLUELESS Kchunt,you are also a Lying Piece Of Fhuqking Schit?!? You musta "forgot" about your Imaginary Pretend Ignore...yet again. Laughing!

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.............















RinB,

I can ONLY make sense,to those who have sense. Whining Clueless Kchunts will ALWAYS find reason(s) to Whine,but for some reason,go wayyyyyyyyy the fhuqk outta their way to skirt Facts and to fixate their Fluff instead.

I'm rather at ease in leading folks to water...but admittedly getta kick outta them refraining the badly needed hydration.(grin)

Bless their hearts.

Laughing!.............














Bradrica,

In 1000 lifetmes of TRYING,you'd never scratch the surface on the miles,hours,days,months and years I've spent Outdoors. Not that I don't getta kick outta your Haybale & Crocket Flatlanding "adventures". Congratulations?!?

Now ain't it a right proper Dichotomy,that the very things you DREAM daily about and cain't begin to connect a dot upon,don't even make my list of interests? Read that again. Now one more time. Laughing!

Perhaps wax a touch more eloquent upon the Sweet "Satisfactions" of spending a "Life" "living" vicariously and never being able to scratch the surface upon your Whinining Pursuits Of Interest. Bitchin' Vagina Monologue on how your "means","abilities" and "comprehension" have precluded you by default,from doing what others of interest knock out of the Park perpetually. FUNNY schit! Not much to say to a Whining CLUELESS Kchunt who's ALL hat and no Ranch,then laments the hilarity of her Realities. You go girl!

Your Safe Queen "exploits" are fhuqking HILARIOUS! You couldn't knock the "new" offa used pair of fhuqking points,you Prissy Princess.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!.................















'AU,

It's your Imagination,Pretend with it as you MUST. Hint. Congratulations?!?

I'll feign my GREAT "surprise",that you shut right the fhuqk up with any/all things germane and went right to a Window Licking Hissy Fit instead. You Do NOTHING Dumbfhuqks are a HOOT!

Don't let the cat get your tongue,nor the couch your kchunt.

Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............















'winters,

Reality reliably collides with your Fantasy and ain'tcha' a "lucky" kchunt...in that Facts are of zero concern to your Fluff? Congratulations?!?

As great as I am...not even I can use wares until they exist. Do not let the poignant profundity of that,dispel the Delusions of your Imagination and it's Pretend. Hint. Laughing!

PLEASE find me "mistaken"...I assure you that your feeble attempt,will be funnier than fhuqk. HINT.

Just saying.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............















JeffZero,

Dangle ONE picture of a post-adolescent Critter,that your version of "results" garnered,via your "prowess" and thorough "understanding" of The Rifle. Congratulations?!? LAUGHING!

Your Dumb Fhuqk rollcage to "protect" a $.99 plastic bubble,is fhuqking hilarious!

Pardon my having broken more LW's,than your scattered brain could begin to fhuqking fathom. Hint.

Laughing!



But actual USE,is a factoid farrrrrrrrr different than your FLUFF. Hint.

Laughing!




More than a few different platforms of course. Round count do funny things. I've shot out more barrels,than you've opened bullet boxes by yourself,in your "Life". Hint.

Laughing!



You be sure to "tell" me more and keep on flaunting your version of "results"...if only because it do not get any fhuqking FUNNIER,than you doing your "best". Hint.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!..............















starsky,

It only took her (4) fhuqking tries and it's REALLY gonna up her "game"!

I'm fhuqking cryin'....I'm laughing soooooooooo fhuqking hard!!!

Wow +P++!

Bless her heart.

Laughing!.............















Sammo,

Ain't it a fhuqking hoot,that the CLOSEST you will ever come,is to read my every word and eyefhuqk my every pixel. You "lucky" kchunt! Congratulations?!?

Don't "forget" to tell yourself,that you "could too",as you "Live" vicariously.

The Haybale & Crockett Crowd,never fhuqking disappoint in their oblivious corroboration of their incredible fhuqking STUPIDITY.

Bless your heart.

Laughing!...............















'12,

I've never seen or shot a 257Wby.

Pass the Kreedmire Montucky.

Hint.................














'goat,

Facts never ain't not practical,despite the fact,that your pointy head precludes dots bein' connected by default. Congratulations?!? Pun be intended. Hint.

I've never even heard of '335. What is it's application? "Tell" me "more". Laughing!

Now as to glass,I cain't comment in the firsthand upon much more than mebbe 100 Fixed Fhuqkers. I know of noone that's puked one,but more than a few folks have tried and I doubt I've much more than 200,000rds through 'em. I'm sandbagging. Hint.

It'll come as a "surprise" ONLY to someone who "does" as "much" as you,that Fixed Fhuqkers have really stolen THE Fhuqking Show,with their incredible rugged reliability. All parties are dumping Reupolds(especially the newest generations,which are THE schittiest) and fielding Fixed Fhuqker attributes. For some not so fhuqking strange reason,the rEupold Puke Count goes lowr every year and that due the fact that less Reupolds are being entrusted upon Hunts. Hint. Read that again. Now one more time. Re-hint.

As to stalwart rugged reliability,Fixed Fhuqkers connect more dots than anything else. That due the fhuqking FACT that their erector travel cannot be touched,nor their windshield,rear parallax is discreet and a great aid,with their modest weight/length sealing that deal. You'll wanna read that again,now one more fhuqking time. Hint.

The "trevails" of your "trying" My Little Pony "pursuits" is absolutely fhuqking HILARIOUS and it'd take someone as "steeped" as you,to be so very fhuqking reliably STUMPED. Hint.

The only thing you "shoot" is your mouth and Imagination. It is an unfortunate constant,that you are devoid an inkling of your stellar DUMBfhuqktitude and it's incredible magnitude.

Here's to the perpetual hilarity,of you doing your "best".

Bless your heart.

Laughing!................















Tanner,

It's never been tough to cypher who shoots and who don't.(grin)

I've never put a scratch on anything.

Laughing!............















Jordan,

If there was something better,I'd simply use it.

That fact,tends to REALLY fhuqk with Window Licker's heads.

Bless their hearts.

Laughing!............

Never had an issue with the fixed powers myself. The turrets spinning unwanted can be mitigated by a simple wrap of electric tape or by using the rubber gasket zero stop. Different strokes I suppose.

Tanner

Same. Multiple 3-9's and fixed powers have been fine riding on my pack, truck, ATV, etc. With a little preemptive thought and consideration, unwanted turret spinning is an easy problem to fix/prevent.