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It may not be that simple Miles. The earlier life of Paul the Apostle may tell us something.

As you said, simply asking is always good.

Defending what christians claim to be spiritual through a carnal form of defensiveness?
you have your wires crossed.



People who claim to be not at all bothered would not find the need to defend. [/quote

And, why do some rush to attack?

Defending is more understandable than is attacking.

If you think that my starting this thread was an "attack" on non-believers, I refer you to Miles' comment about snowflakes.

Here are the first two stones thrown on this thread.

If you live in a glass theology, perhaps you shouldn't be throwing stones.

And your reason to open this thread in the beginning? miles

Are you trying to tell me what threads I can and cannot read?

Everytime a thread on religion or philosophy is started on this forum I will join it. And when Christians start throwing rocks, I will throw them back.

A S ......have you ever considered the fact that individual conceptions of God are practically endless, so it would take a lot of dialogue to understand, and then refute, each claim.?

It's easier just treat all believers as Ringman and paint us into his narrow little 6000 year old world.

Everybody was wishing their Easter well-to-do, and you post this:


Don't play Coy.! You think the rest of us can't spot your childish attempts to antagonize? You're always itching for a fight and can't wait to poke Christians in the eye, and you've found this is the easiest to do it. It's what you live for.

So do us all a favor and stop with your "innocence" routine.

Gene,

That's why when someone asks me to disprove a god I first ask them to define the god in question.

As an example, you have more deist tendencies, and really don't seem to care all that much what the scriptures actually say. That is a much different position the Ringmans.

It's also why I'll ask participants if they believe in a young earth. There answer will tell me a lot about where they stand on the Curdog to Ringman continuum.

Also Curdog,

Think about where you and I've been debating lately. It's this very narrow piece of grounds around the reliability of internal personal experience as evidence. You don't throw many rocks, so I have nothing to throw back.

Others are quick to impune the motives and ethics of those of different beliefs, which is often followed with a thread of eternal torture, so yes, those rocks get tossed back.

How about we put this in context:







And further down the page:



But of course that doesn't fit your victim narrative.

Starman - you're the one with crossed wires if you even begin to think that Christians do not realize that we live in a carnal world and will encounter carnal issues every day - our natural state is as carnal humans. Get real.

And, have you any concept of the difference between one not being internally bothered or upset by nasty attacks, but deciding to defend something very important on the basis of principle. If you can grasp that, you may be able to see why your post comes across as deliberate and devious nastiness. If you can't grasp the difference, your posts are even more worthless.

Where did you get this idea, as I said nothing similar? I was just curious as to your reason, and now I know. miles

So, AS, i am involved in a thread of Christians discussing Easter and the Lord among ourselves and i screwed the pooch by saying men use science to try to disprove the story of Easter and the Lord, thus causing you to intervene in our discussion and cause you to try to use science to disprove the story of Easter and the Lord, right? Ha. How unreal and disingenuous.

You just had to prove me correct and couldn't resist interrupting our little fantasy party.

I'll correct errors in your thinking as it pertains to me:

That "internal personal experience " you mention is evident ONLY to the person with the experience.

The improvement in the person's outlook on life, and his behavior is evident to all who knew him before and after. And unless you are willing to lay aside your prejudice and approach their stories with an open mind, you lack the one true ingredient of the scientific approach.

You should give as much credibility to Jung as to Freud, and you really should read "Varieties of Religious Experience" by William James since you seem to have an interest in the topic.

Curdog,

People make equal claims about a wide variety of religions. I know people who credit their personal improvements to hearing their dead ancestors. Should I accept that as "Scientific Evidence"?

How about the contra position of non-believers making improvements in their life. Is it your position that only Christians can make improvements in their lives, and if not how does that reflect upon your claim?

The Dale Carnegie course can help a person improve his life, but deep, vital,Spiritual experiences which result in a rearrangement of the forces which drive a man's mind cannot be explained by medical science.They cannot be brought about by synthetic methods, though many Doctors have tried.

Jung and his followers attempted it in the 'twenties and 'thirties, calling it " moral psychology", but it was a hit and miss affair. Jung was honest enough to admit that it seemed to be the province of some Higher Power beyond his ability to define.

And...... if a man found inner peace and a better life by communing with his ancestors, who am I to denigrate it?

The important things which add to our daily lives lie outside the province of proper science. The "scientific rope" is not long enough to fashion a loop which will encompass the whole of the Universe.

Curdog,

The 20's were almost a 100 years ago. We've learned a whole lot since then.

As for what can we "science". You can science anything:
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reminder , You are the crazy irrational one that stated my reading of and listening to christians is 'mind reading'

its a pity the less educated christians often have the loudest voice of the christian fraternity.
this might help you with your ignorance:

listen (def.) give ones attention to a sound

read(def.)comprehend the meaning of written or printed matter.

mind read(def.) a person who can supposedly discern what another person is thinking.



internal or external, fact remains you are bothered.. otherwise you would have no cause to mount a defence.

to pretend otherwise is imbecilic.




Anything that doesn't suit you, you take offence to, proves my previous point about precious christians playing the victim card.

Thats a lie. You cant science the missing link and you never will, truthfully or honestly.

No 1. You cant science life.

Yea,

We can:

Make some life from the elements. I dare ya.

As R Reagen told Sam Donaldson, your ancestors may have come from monkeys, not mine. Same here.