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The first thing that needs to happen is for Congress to pass a law that THEY have to use 0/care; then all the problems discussed above would be solved pronto!

[i]Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump
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The Senate must go to a 51 vote majority instead of current 60 votes. Even parts of full Repeal need 60. 8 Dems control Senate. Crazy![/i]

McConnell has said he will not change Senates rules to a simple majority. It's a done deal.

As President Trump tweeted, 8 Democrats control the Senate.

Doesn't change what I posted. They need 60 votes for a full repeal under the current rules. They don't need 60 votes to change that rule, but McConnell wont do it.........YET. I'm betting if they've exhausted all options it might come to that.

Yep
And SS was not a Pozi scheme until the corrupt thieves we elect stole all the money for them selves.

I don't hold out much hope OCare will be repealed or replaced. We have 40% of the American public on the gov't tit and sucking hard. Even though it is the right thing to do for America, it is political suicide, and the gutless, cowardly lawyer/politicians don't have the cahones' to do the right thing. All they want to do is get re-elected.

Can anyone say Term Limits? 2 terms max, then go be productive.

Current Senate rules mandate that 60 senators -- three-fifths of the 100-member Senate -- must agree in order to end debate and move forward to a vote on a measure or piece of legislation -- a process known as invoking cloture.


The Senate, however, has invoked the so-called "nuclear option" in the past to get certain nominations -- most recently of note Supreme Court nominee Neil Gorsuch -- through the Senate by a simple majority vote, but there is currently no method for doing so with legislation.

Republicans have instead opted to try to pass tax reform and health care through a process known as reconciliation, which applies to budgetary measures and only requires 51 votes. The process allows lawmakers to vote on critical pieces of the health law without giving Democrats a chance to filibuster, but in turn it places large constraints on members -- including limiting debate to only 20 hours and only using it to change laws that are scored by the Congressional Budget Office, which means those that cost money or are implemented as taxes.

Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Kentucky, has emphatically stated he is against changing senate rules to initiate a nuclear option for the legislative filibuster.

"The core of the Senate is the legislative filibuster," McConnell told USA Today in April. "This notion that this (changing the filibuster rule to confirm Gorsuch) somehow bleeds over into the legislative filibuster is untrue. I'm opposed to it ... I think that's what fundamentally changes the Senate."

The only way, but I'll not hold my breath.......

As I have said before; Why repeal? They keep claiming that obamacare is in a death spiral so let it die. Give us a free market system with insurance available across state lines and tort reform and let the free market system work.

Leave obamacare hanging around the democrats necks and give the people a choice of obamacare or a free market system. Isn't America all about having the freedom to choose?

Who in their right mind would call something the "core of the senate" when it's sole purpose is to PREVENT the senate from moving to a vote, which is their job. Vote on the damn things, yes or no, period. Holding a majority hostage simple because you can't win is ridiculous.

Yep.

Then leave it the hell alone.

Deregulate all the BS insurance company lobbyist rules they have and let the competition take care of what you pay.

Even if they did all that tomorrow, it would take the healthcare industry years to recover from the damage socialized gov't healthcare has done.

If you want more gun control, change the senate rules to require 51 votes. If you want even more government spending, change the senate rules to require 51 votes. I'm no fan of that idiot McConnell. A plan should've ("should of" for the morons) been developed over the past 8 years and could've ("could of" for the morons) been by a group of junior high kids. Jeez, what a bunch of jerks we have in the House and the Senate. Make no mistake, their prior votes, both in the House and Senate, were only for show previously. They knew President Obama would veto and they knew by their arguing for repeal they would be held in good stead with their voters. Also, they all assumed Hillary Clinton would be the next President. For these reasons they drug their feet rather than developing an alternative, market based approach bill that could and would pass.

Also make no mistake,

The will be no legislation passed in the US Senate 1) if the rules are not change, 2) If the republicans are not able to gather the 8 votes in 2018 needed to invoke Cloture.

Without a rule change nothing Trump will be passed before 2018.

After the 2018 elections, the same will hold true unless the Republican gain 8 seats.

The Trump Train has been stopped dead in it's tracks thanks to 8 Democrats and McConnell.

Trump might as well spend the next 3 1/2 years playing golf in FL.

Not any more
We will do as they tell us to do or suffer the consequences

Until we can kick everyone of the corrupt bastids out that is the way it is going to be.
And with a Population begging to be taken care of instead of taking care of them selves we will never be able to get rid of the problems in gooberment.

Of course not, but at least Trump finally changed his appeal to Congress.

It's sure not looking good for us. The left has castrated the republican party. OUR supposed party has no balls.
I glad I'm old but I'm sure not happy for my kid and grandkids. They'll certainly not have the once great country that I grew up in.

Mainly, only liberal dimocraps would be pissed if it were repealed. Talk of its repeal has been a big vote getter for Rs. Hard to believe they would fear losing liberal votes for repeal more than losing R votes to keep it. I guess they think the voters who put them in office will stick with them, regardless.

Rush is now saying Mcconnell has decided to go for repeal as of today.

Now he says hot news is that 3 Rs have said they would vote against repeal.

Here, here..........................yes, yes & yes.

Get on with business; piss on the minority; majority rules.

Oooops, not in the senate.

MM

Hah.. Those 8 Dems control the entire GOP!! I've never in my life seen such a bunch of weak-tit, worthless, pitiful group of politicians so lacking in balls.. All they wanna do is keep their comfy seats and get re-elected... Work for US??? ROTFLMAO..

What a SURPRISE!!! I'm SHOCKED, I tell ya - SHOCKED!!!