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Democrats ARE the US branch of the international Communist party and they have always been. With that piece of information as the back-drop it's easy to see why the government and the courts and the entire Democrat party always resist tax cuts.
That's not to say many so-called Republicans are not also.
Here are the 10 planks of the Communist manifesto:


1. Abolition of private property in land and application of all rents of land to public purpose.

The courts have interpreted the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution (1868) to give the government far more "eminent domain" power than was originally intended, Under the rubric of "eminent domain" and various zoning regulations, land use regulations by the Bureau of Land Management property taxes, and "environmental" excuses, private property rights have become very diluted and private property in land is, vehicles, and other forms are seized almost every day in this country under the "forfeiture" provisions of the RICO statutes and the so-called War on Drugs..




2. A heavy progressive or graduated income tax.

The 16th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, 1913 (which historians and Constitutional scholars maintain was never ratified), and various State income taxes, established this major Marxist coup in the United States many decades ago. These taxes continue to drain the lifeblood out of the American economy and greatly reduce the accumulation of desperately needed capital for future growth, business starts, job creation, and salary increases. This will eventually collapse the US Economy and lead to world government .



3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance.

Another Marxian attack on private property rights is in the form of Federal & State estate taxes and other inheritance taxes, which have abolished or at least greatly diluted the right of private property owners to determine the disposition and distribution of their estates upon their death. Instead, government bureaucrats get their greedy hands involved .




4. Confiscation of the property of all emigrants and rebels.

We call it government seizures, tax liens, "forfeiture" Public "law" 99-570 (1986); Executive order 11490, sections 1205, 2002 which gives private land to the Department of Urban Development; the imprisonment of "terrorists" and those who speak out or write against the "government" (1997 Crime/Terrorist Bill); or the IRS confiscation of property without due process.




5. Centralization of credit in the hands of the state, by means of a national bank with state capital and an exclusive monopoly.

The Federal Reserve System, created by the Federal Reserve Act of Congress in 1913, is indeed such a "national bank" and it politically manipulates interest rates and holds a monopoly on legal counterfeiting in the United States. This is exactly what Marx had in mind and completely fulfills this plank, another major socialist objective. Yet, most Americans naively believe the U.S. of A. is far from a Marxist or socialist nation.




6. Centralization of the means of communication and transportation in the hands of the state.

In the U.S., communication and transportation are controlled and regulated by the Federal Communications Commission (FCC) established by the Communications Act of 1934 and the Department of Transportation and the Interstate Commerce Commission (established by Congress in 1887), and the Federal Aviation Administration as well as Executive orders 11490, 10999 -- not to mention various state bureaucracies and regulations. There is also the federal postal monopoly, AMTRAK and CONRAIL -- outright socialist (government-owned) enterprises. Instead of free-market private enteprrise in these important industries, these fields in America are semi-cartelized through the government's regulatory-industiral complex.




7. Extension of factories and instruments of production owned by the state; the bringing into cultivation of waste lands, and the improvement of the soil generally in accordance with a common plan.

While the U.S. does not have vast "collective farms" (which failed so miserably in the Soviet Union), we nevertheless do have a significant degree of government involvement in agriculture in the form of price support subsidies and acreage allotments and land-use controls. The Desert Entry Act and The Department of Agriculture. As well as the Department of Commerce and Labor, Department of Interior, the Environmental Protection Agency, Bureau of Land Management, Bureau of Reclamation, Bureau of Mines, National Park Service, and the IRS control of business through corporate regulations.




8. Equal obligation of all to work. Establishment of Industrial armies, especially for agriculture.

We call it the Social Security Administration and The Department of Labor. The National debt and inflation caused by the communal bank has caused the need for a two "income" family. Woman in the workplace since the 1920's, the 19th amendment of the U.S. Constitution, the Civil Rights Act of 1964, assorted Socialist Unions, affirmative action, the Federal Public Works Program and of course Executive order 11000. And I almost forgot...The Equal Rights Amendment means that women should do all work that men do including the military and since passage it would make women subject to the draft.




9. Combination of agriculture with manufacturing industries; gradual abolition of the distinction between town and country by a more equable distribution of the population over the country.

We call it the Planning Reorganization Act of 1949 , zoning (Title 17 1910-1990) and Super Corporate Farms, as well as Executive orders 11647, 11731 (ten regions) and Public "law" 89-136.




10. Free education for all children in government schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc. etc.

People are being taxed to support what we call 'public' schools, which train the young to work for the communal debt system. We also call it the Department of Education, the NEA and Outcome Based "Education" .




So, is the U.S. a "free country" today? Hardly! Not compared to what it once was. Yet, very few Americans today challenge these Marxist institutions, and there are virtually no politicians calling for their repeal or even gradual phase-out. While the United States of America may still have more freedoms than most other countries, we have nonetheless lost many crucial liberties and have accepted the major socialist attacks on freedom and private property as normal parts of our way of life. The nation, whose founders included such individualists as Thomas Jefferson, George Mason, James Madison, John Adams and Patrick Henry, has gradually turned away from the principles of individual rights, limited constitutional government, private property, and free markets and instead we increasingly have embraced the failed ideas and nostrums of socialism and fascism. We should hang our heads in shame for having allowed this to happen.

But, it is not too late to reverse these pernicious burdens and instead enact pro-freedom reforms to put our nation back on track again. It can be done.

In some ways the Left has a head start over us on the pro-freedom Right. The enemies of American freedom do admittedly dominate the entertainment industry, television news media, and academia -- but we have the tremendous strategic advantage that reality (including man's nature) is on our side; so, unlike the socialists and "liberals" (welfare-state fascists), we are not in the position of having to advocate a system which constantly tries to "make water to go uphill" -- or force human beings into a rigid utopian straitjacket based on the whims of some clique of central planning bureaucrats.

We know that individual freedom for peaceful people within a constitutional republic works in practice; our country's history demonstrates that. The piecemeal abandonment of those principles and institutions which once made America great has proved to be a a dead-end road to failure. That is why I tend to be a long-term optimist even though things often look pretty glum in the meantime. Just as Prohibition was eventually repealed, I feel encouraged that such key statist achievements as the income tax, government schools, fiat money/central banking (the Federal Reserve), "environmentalist" regulations, property forfeiture laws, and other Marxist planks and leftist institutions can be rolled back and repealed altogether, although it may take several decades.
Those who would carry forward the ideas and principles of self-ownership, private property, free markets,Laissez-faire, the rule of law, and constitutionalism which informed America's founders must become more active on the key ideological battle fronts. We need more influence not just in politics, but in areas of entertainment, academia, journalism, think tanks, churches (we need our own individualist Walter Rauschenbushes), literature, art, and other venues of expression and activism.

Marxism and socialism have proved to be colossal failures all over the world. As Frederic Bastiat wrote in his classic The Law just prior to his death, "let us now try liberty!

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They'll get a federal judge to rule the thing is racist, and we'll hafta keep the old plan til the Supremes have their say, in a year or two.

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The guy in the video asks "How many of you actually spend $10,000 on state and property taxes? It's ridiculous. The person who spends $10,000 in state and local taxes is a multi-millionaire." WRONG! The person who pays $10,000 in state and local taxes in many states (NJ, NJ, MA, CA, etc.) may not be a millionaire; he might be a cop or fireman or, teacher living in high tax state.

You may not like those states or their policies, but property taxes are the way many high cost (and property value) states finance themselves.

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The democrats have attempted, and in may cases succeeded in instituting every article in the Communist Manifesto in this country, except the one that says" everyone has to work".

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Originally Posted by djs
The guy in the video asks "How many of you actually spend $10,000 on state and property taxes? It's ridiculous. The person who spends $10,000 in state and local taxes is a multi-millionaire." WRONG! The person who pays $10,000 in state and local taxes in many states (NJ, NJ, MA, CA, etc.) may not be a millionaire; he might be a cop or fireman or, teacher living in high tax state.

You may not like those states or their policies, but property taxes are the way many high cost (and property value) states finance themselves.



I cant believe I actually agree with djs. Hell must have froze over. wink

As far as the op and his idea of the Dems mailing the government a check for the difference? Ha , read my sig line.

People need to wake up, the Dems hide behind tax cuts for the rich, it is simply class warfare that empowers the Dem politicians.
Any one who falls for this nonsense it simply a tool of these politicians and is a fool of the highest degree.


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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You may not like those states or their policies, but property taxes are the way many high cost (and property value) states finance themselves.


So explain to me why the ones of us in the low tax states should subsidize you for not fixing your State. miles


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You may not like those states or their policies, but property taxes are the way many high cost (and property value) states finance themselves.


So explain to me why the ones of us in the low tax states should subsidize you for not fixing your State. miles



Oh and don't forget the government workers pensions. Many of those are financed with local tax's.

The new millionaire class is retired government workers, aka the swamp


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PS, if you think Trump is “good” you’re way stupider than I thought! Haha

Sorry, trump is a no tax payin pile of shiit.
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The Problem I have with the Tax cut is that 83% of the cut goes to the top 1% and corporations. 17% goes to
the middle class. The cuts should be reversed. For example Trump gets a 11 to 15 million dollar tax cut plus
4 + million for his family. Due to the tax cut. Some fairness. Plus he lied about getting the cut during the
campaign.

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The communists also in 1960 said they would take over one of the political parties. They would take over journalism. They would take over the public education system. They would divide and conquer, by economics, race, gender, etc. They push social justice. Socialism is the new communism. Soviet Russia and Maoist China proved communism/socialism doesn't work. Also the National Socialist Party of Germany (NAZI party) proved it doesn't work, only leads to dictatorship.

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Originally Posted by GunTruck50

The Problem I have with the Tax cut is that 83% of the cut goes to the top 1% and corporations. 17% goes to
the middle class. The cuts should be reversed. For example Trump gets a 11 to 15 million dollar tax cut plus
4 + million for his family. Due to the tax cut. Some fairness. Plus he lied about getting the cut during the
campaign.

What do you care what Trump or anybody else pays in taxes? It's their money, they earned it. Neither you, the democratic party, nor the government has a right to take it.

You know what it really amounts too? Jealousy, pure and simple. People like you, and the 40+% who pay no income tax, are jealous of those who are more successful than they are and want to use "Tax law" to manifest their jealousy.

irfubar said it, "People need to wake up, the Dems hide behind tax cuts for the rich, it is simply class warfare that empowers the Dem politicians."

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Guntruck50: Heres what YOU are forgetting!!!
Somewhere along the line President Donald J. Trump and other "rich people" put their blood, sweat and tears on the line - GAMBLED their money and sweat, if you will, to create businesses, wealth and jobs!
The "government" did NOT guarantee that their investments of money, blood sweat and tears would EVER be successful!
If their investments and endeavors went tits up then "to bad" - the government that taxed them to death in many cases, didn't burp back one [bleep] to them!
Start over rhube and pay more exorbitant taxes to the government next time you try - seems to be the motto of many levels and states in our various governing bodies!
I know - I seen it a hundred times (friends of mine investing in businesses and ventures that failed!)!
Luckily the business my wife and I invested in (gambled our life savings on!) turned out to be successful (even though we were continually taxed nearly to death on every level - city, state and federal to name a few!) - we sold that business after 25 years and chose to NOT risk our money ever again in such a high tax environment (taxington state!)!
Heres another thing you are obviously CHOOSING to forget - the people you decry so much getting the LARGEST tax cuts are the very same people paying the irrationally unfair LARGEST (highes percentaget!) share of all taxes!
Your selective mindset does not impress me one iota!
I often ask my idiotic pro high tax acquaintances what are YOU gonna do for money when you have confiscated Bill Gates last dollar through taxes?
You simply must acknowledge that you can NOT tax the "rich" to death "re-distribute" that money and expect a successful society to exist!
They (the "rich") will quit investing in our supposedly "capitalistic" system and never put money at risk by investment and business building - there goes the job market!
Rethink your anti-capitalist contention - please.
Taxes should first and foremost be "FAIR" not punitive or confiscatory or "only on the rich".
Sheesh.
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We will see how it affects the next election. 60% of population oppose the tax cut. I don,t like
being lied to. Which is what Trump is.

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Originally Posted by GunTruck50

The Problem I have with the Tax cut is that 83% of the cut goes to the top 1% and corporations. 17% goes to
the middle class. The cuts should be reversed. For example Trump gets a 11 to 15 million dollar tax cut plus
4 + million for his family. Due to the tax cut. Some fairness. Plus he lied about getting the cut during the
campaign.


Fairness would dictate that those that pay the most in, would get the most back, no? Fairness would be a flat tax, not a tax that penalizes success.

I would expect that family that pays $5k in income taxes for the year to less of a return than the one that pays $50k, or $500k, or $5mil.

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I didn't watch it, but everyone should be in favor or less tax and less spending, regardless of who is paying said tax.


I'd also say, following some of the posts, that the $10k things is spot on. I was looking at homes in NY at one time. I recall one house that my property tax would have have damn near equaled my mortgage payment, and that was a house under 200K.


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Originally Posted by VarmintGuy
Guntruck50: Heres what YOU are forgetting!!!
Somewhere along the line President Donald J. Trump and other "rich people" put their blood, sweat and tears on the line - GAMBLED their money and sweat, if you will, to create businesses, wealth and jobs!
The "government" did NOT guarantee that their investments of money, blood sweat and tears would EVER be successful!
If their investments and endeavors went tits up then "to bad" - the government that taxed them to death in many cases, didn't burp back one [bleep] to them!
Start over rhube and pay more exorbitant taxes to the government next time you try - seems to be the motto of many levels and states in our various governing bodies!
I know - I seen it a hundred times (friends of mine investing in businesses and ventures that failed!)!
Luckily the business my wife and I invested in (gambled our life savings on!) turned out to be successful (even though we were continually taxed nearly to death on every level - city, state and federal to name a few!) - we sold that business after 25 years and chose to NOT risk our money ever again in such a high tax environment (taxington state!)!
Heres another thing you are obviously CHOOSING to forget - the people you decry so much getting the LARGEST tax cuts are the very same people paying the irrationally unfair LARGEST (highes percentaget!) share of all taxes!
Your selective mindset does not impress me one iota!
I often ask my idiotic pro high tax acquaintances what are YOU gonna do for money when you have confiscated Bill Gates last dollar through taxes?
You simply must acknowledge that you can NOT tax the "rich" to death "re-distribute" that money and expect a successful society to exist!
They (the "rich") will quit investing in our supposedly "capitalistic" system and never put money at risk by investment and business building - there goes the job market!
Rethink your anti-capitalist contention - please.
Taxes should first and foremost be "FAIR" not punitive or confiscatory or "only on the rich".
Sheesh.
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VarmintGuy, I do understand. I owned my own business for 34 years, plus did 27 years in the National Guard.
But I think just the opposite about taxes, I always thought they were low. After you make a million dollars
how does it make much difference if the government takes it all or not? Actually Federal taxes are the lowest
of most industrial countries. Evidence right now is that corporations more money right now with out the tax
cut than ever before. Trouble is right now that wages have not keep up with the amount of money corporations
are making now. Cheers Merry Christmas.

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Guess we will just have to see if these cuts results in more and better jobs for Americans- or in my case, just more Indians taking over. So far , looking OBJECTIVELY, gotta say it appears Trump has been VERY good for the people of this country. I would rather have someone doing that benefit while in office than say Bernie Sanders' who never held a job but has gotten rich off those people he cares so much about. As for not liking being lied to remember I have to ask if you remember who Trump ran against?


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Originally Posted by GunTruck50

The Problem I have with the Tax cut is that 83% of the cut goes to the top 1% and corporations...


Typical liberal ignoring the fact that the top 1% already pay HALF the taxes!


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