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A CNN article touting the benefits of gun control is making it's rounds on social media. http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/03/americas/us-gun-statistics/index.html
Besides the typical selective sampling this article cites a research paper (Erin Grinshteyn, David Hemenway 2011) that has since been discredited by Snopes https://www.snopes.com/gun-murders-per-100000-residents/ and uses graphs that only list countries that reinforce it's premise. Omitted from it's illustration are high ownership countries such a s Switzerland and Canada as those would dilute the impact of the false premise being advanced. Although wikipedia is not perfect this page has an interesting utility where one can prioritize countries by different metrics. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate
Of particular note is the per gun per year death rate under which the US ranks 46th just above France. That's a fairly solid custodianship of the guns in our possession. Also of interest is the list of gun ownership per capita rated as follows:
1. US
2 Serbia
3. Cyprus
4. Uraguay
5. Sweden
6. Norway
7. France
8. Canada
9. Austria
10. Iceland
This list contains some of the Northern European socialist countries oft touted as examples of low gun crime rates. If there were actual causation between ownership rates and crime these graphs would line up. While we do not have a perfect situation here in the US barking up the gun access tree is not the place to start for curing our ills.
The left consistently distorts statistics by selective sampling, incomplete data sets, and sometimes downright distortions. Confidence in science is not licence to manipulate it, as with anything junk in yields junk out.

More fun with numbers if you are inclined to understand the war of statistical analysis and it's pitfalls. https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150619-data-points-five-ways-to-lie-with-charts/

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Originally Posted by pdXammo
... More fun with numbers if you are inclined to understand the war of statistical analysis and it's pitfalls. https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150619-data-points-five-ways-to-lie-with-charts/

Spent 3 years of my professional career working with a mature, well grounded PhD Statistician. The first sentence in the link above echoes his favorite saying:

"Figures don't lie. But liars figure."

USA Today has been using the various graph "tricks" to slant the news on their front page (bottom left?) since the first day they went to print.

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Originally Posted by Orion2000
Originally Posted by pdXammo
... More fun with numbers if you are inclined to understand the war of statistical analysis and it's pitfalls. https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/06/150619-data-points-five-ways-to-lie-with-charts/

Spent 3 years of my professional career working with a mature, well grounded PhD Statistician. The first sentence in the link above echoes his favorite saying:

"Figures don't lie. But liars figure."

USA Today has been using the various graph "tricks" to slant the news on their front page (bottom left?) since the first day they went to print.


Orion2000, you took the words right out of my mouth.

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"Figures don't lie but, liars figure" I love it. Worth writing out the post for that one, thanks.




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I dare them to compare gun deaths per capita segregated by race.

We do not have a gun violence problem, we have a negro violence problem.


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Originally Posted by GunReader
I dare them to compare gun deaths per capita segregated by race.

We do not have a gun violence problem, we have a negro violence problem.


Amen
Leave out Chicago, Rockford, E.St.Louis, Peoria and any metro area with
a sizable (+20%) negro population...and...Illinois is relativley CRIME FREE !


But


That is True for All states !
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