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First, I'm as ticked off over the Liberal "Progressive" largely Democratic voting Jews as most campfire members are. I'm especially mad about how "those type of Jews" seem to have a strangle hold on our main stream media.

I thought the OP asked an important question. Pro 2nd amendment Americans need to understand as fully as possible ALL the forces driving our twisted and corrupt politics.

I sincerely hope this thread does not turn into one of those toxic... paint with a broad brush train wrecks threads that can happen on the Campfire. A "Redneck Jew" that cares about his families history, invests in educating his present families understanding of their culture and values, volunteered to fight to protect his people from the forces that want to destroy all of Israel is welcome at my personal campfire anytime.

The forces that want to destroy us, we the "Basket of deplorables.... the irredeemables" NEED each other... lets build alliances and deeper understandings rather than letting our common enemy divide and conquer us.

Remsen ,

Hello .
What is your opinion on why people have problems with jewish people ?

I've heard people here in florida make comments about being SO GLAD to get out of NYC away from the jewish people , it seems like that sentiment is the same on a few continents around the world . Not saying entire continents of people have trouble with jewish people just saying it seems to be reported that conflicts happen in many places around the world .
What's your opinion on why this goes on ?

Thanks -Mike

Very interesting

thanks for sharing

I wish I knew the answer to that question. I've never been aware of anyone having a problem with me because I'm Jewish (other than Muslims). It could be that there are some very prominent Jews who stand for things that are offensive to lots of people. For example, Soros. Because of his prominence and influence a lot of people will just generalize based on one of his characteristics (being Jewish). I honestly don't know the full answer, though.

My brother lives in the panhandle (Navarre) and has never had anyone take issue with his being Jewish, and I have some cousins on the other side of Florida who also have no problems. So maybe a part of the problem is that people think there's a problem when there really isn't one.

I agree !

I think it's that so many jewish people are able to get into such high places in politics and corporate america -media then start screwing the country and it's citizens over . It's not you or your family it's just people stereotyping . But many of the types I mentioned are some of the biggest anti-america commy POS ever born .

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Learn from History.

Beaver10: Way beyond me why on earth Jews vote the way they do here in America
While we are on the subject of Jews let me say this - I treasure my Jewish friends and admire their industriousness and intensity of endeavor - but for the life of me I have NEVER been able to understand how the Jewish folks allowed themselves to be rounded up by the Nazis???
If someone came to my door and said pack a suitcase you are off to "relocation" I give you my personal guarantee that "someone" would be dead on my doorstep!
I may well be dead there also but that "someone" would be lying dead underneath me!
I have heard some very rude and demeaning "opinions/theories" as to why the Jewish community (many of whom survived the atrocities of the WWII era) here in America votes demonrat!
But none of those "theories/opinions" stand up to rational inquiry.
Personally I feel sorry for Jews who vote demonrat.
I do though opine this - no one will be knocking on doors in Israel asking folks to "pack a suitcase" and get on down to the train station!
That person would die right then and there from a hail of automatic gunfire!
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy

[quote=VarmintGuy
If someone came to my door and said pack a suitcase you are off to "relocation" I give you my personal guarantee that "someone" would be dead on my doorstep!
I may well be dead there also but that "someone" would be lying dead underneath me!
[/quote]

Pre WWII was a very different world. Particularly so in Europe. Urban Europeans (Jews included) had few to no guns as a community, much less individually. Rural Europeans may have had a few, but they were more isolated. If someone shows up with a platoon or company of well armed men and a tank/APC/half track and your family is inside you will have to employ a different calculus. The Nazis didn't care if you died in the camps or died where you stood. They came with plenty of well armed and trained men to do what they did and you did not matter if they came for you. The one real option for the Jews was getting out of Dodge quickly before hand.

Those of us on the fire probably all have several times more guns in our homes today than what our entire families combined owned prior to WWII.

I can tell you how my mother's family allowed it to happen... First, back then it wasn't as easy to get information as it is now. What happened in another town often was unknown for quite a long time. Second, there was an incredible level of disbelief even when they did start hearing about what was happening. My grandfather and grandmother, for example, said that they thought the stories of Jews being killed were exaggerations. Since there was a lot of violence everywhere at the time, and the Nazis had just invaded their country, my grandparents probably had a pretty good reason to think there wasn't any particular focus on Jews. Finally, once they realized it was happening, they thought that their countrymen would come to their side quickly and stop the slaughter. This was borne from the belief that they were Czechs first (and, in fact, Germans, since they were Sudeten) and no one could possibly stand by as their neighbors were being killed.

By the time they saw what was happening it was too late. In my family's case, they were petrified with fear. The Nazis were everywhere in Prague and fighting back, to them, would be instant death, while hiding meant they might be able to survive.

I'll close my comments on this topic with a story from 1986, when I came home for a short visit after basic training in the Israeli army. My grandmother was there to see me and I showed her a picture of me in uniform at the Holocaust memorial (at the time, and perhaps today, all army recruits went to the memorial at the end of basic for a ceremony). She cried and said "we'll never be victims again."

Varmintguy:
Huntnshoot:
Remsen:
I guess, since I am the original poster, I should say thanks to everyone for their ideas, observations and personal experiences regarding my question on why there isn’t more prominent and affluent Jewish people defending their right to defend life with a legally owned firearm.

I realize, from most of the post, I am not alone in my bafflement...With that being said, I would like to say thanks to Varmintguy for his gentle, yet, frank answer to the question...None of us, with a “stable mind” want to see the deterioration of our gun rights to the point of authorities darkening our doorways with demands for our legally owned firearms to be surrendered. It is not a poetic or romantic ending that will visit us as Americans, should this happen.

There would be some people who would cave to these confiscation demands, and many others, who like Varmintguy, will reject these attempts with met force.

I did get a little history lesson because of huntnshoot. Although, I don’t believe it was fair of a poster to react to his suggestion, for me to check history, by calling him an “Eff’n Idiot” or “Moron”. I don’t remember which. I did some reading and found that it didn’t change my question of Nazi’s and the Jewish slaughter. The Jewish people still allowed themselves to be disarmed, which was part of my original question. Not who started a war.

Remsen, was the lone Jewish voice trying to give understanding ...I know, this wasn’t lost on some of you. Even Remsen, who’s thoughts, ideas and explanations, were to me, accurate, since he’s Jewish and knows other Jewish people who are against guns, including members of his own family, seemed at a loss to explain why a people with a tragic past that correlates to disarmament would not be first in line to say “No [bleep]’n Way” (forgive my language) on gun control issue.

Politicians lie to get elected and continue to lie to stay in office...People only want to hear and believe their own truths...Facts can always be manipulated to suit the agenda being sought...As a person, who loves a freedom, that wasn’t free, for someone paid with life and or limb for me to be able to type this to you. I will always stand next to a person, who believes, as I do..That my right to protect myself and those I love, will not be infringed upon. I don’t care what color you are. What faith you have. Or, what political party you belong to...My right. Your right, to self preservation trumps everything, to me personally.

Lastly, some of you, who post, get really pissed, and let it be known right away...Some of you, take offense at these posts because they may seem abrasive, mean spirited and not on point with the original posters question. Aside, from the “Idiot trolls” who spew [bleep] for the sake of just being a dick. Sometimes, a pissed person, does have a good point. It’s just not said in a way, you or me, may want to hear it...
But, I would bet dollars to doughnuts, if the “[bleep] hits the fan”, the pissed dude, would be one of the first persons at your doorstep to give you a hand keeping your guns along with Remsen and me.

Very interesting indeed. Thanks you Remsen..

MILES58:
Truth to what you say. It wouldn’t be 2 cops going “knock-knock!

Historically, Jews have excelled as merchants, traders, and bankers.

The two ethnic groups who never made their mark in manufacturing are Negroes and Jews.

Firearms are appreciated by cultures who manufacture them. The Semitic peoples and the Blacks are about the only ones who missed that boat.

I don’t believe those warlike tribes of the O T were the ancestors of the Jews of the ‘ thirties. Their decendents would have had the means to defend themselves, both materially and mentally.

And..... what’s the difference between denying the “ Jewish War On Germany” and denying the Holocaust?

There’s black and white proof of both.

At that time, The Daily Express the British equivalent of the Enquirer.

So, by your logic, the Japanese were justified in the attack on the U.S. because we cut off steel shipments?

If someone boycotts you, you get to murder them?

By that logic NFL players are justified murdering everyone who refuses to attend their games.

You can't be serious.

You and your buddy who posted above you apparently don’t understand that the conversation is about German Jews in the ‘ thirties.

You know anybody collecting old African made rifles?

You know any Jews who designed and manufactured firearms in Europe?

With apology to Bristo....... hey man, you gotta come over and see this fine old Jewish made musket I found in the hock shop. I been collecting them for years.

Thisun and one more will make two that I have.

Guns and munitions. There were more in Germany alone.

Ludwig Lowe/DWM - Berlin
Simson - Suhl

Uziel Gal,

Born in Weimar, Germany in 1933:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uziel_Gal

How could I forget him. He’s right up there with Olin Winchester, Eliphat Remington, Paul Mauser and the Holland Boys, ain’t he.