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Go for anyone, even if they aren't involved in reality... makes sense to federal gov... so we can get some kind of new law....
We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....
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sure lets blame the ammo maker now.
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Oh Look! at ...the cute little rabbit being pulled out of a hat! Don't you dare look at where my other hand is... 
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Note to self:
Where Latex Gloves when reloading.
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Actually he is being charged for manufacturing armor piercing ammunition without a license. Apparently they found 2 rounds of AP ammo with his finger prints and matched machine marks to the tools he had in his workshop. So far no charges directly involving the shooting. LinkHow many years do you think he will get? I don't think that he will get by with just a fine.
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He's not being charged in the shooting.
He's being charged for manufacturing ammunition for sale without a license, which is in fact illegal.
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Looking forward to getting more facts on this.
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I read this in the New York Times this morning -
see: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/us/las-vegas-shooting-stephen-paddock.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fus&action=click&contentCollection=us®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront
Of course, the reporter got the terminology wrong (confuses "bullets" with "ammunition and tracer with AP), but this got me thinking. If the accused reloaded ammo and sold it to Stephen Paddock, is this a crime? Reloading certainly isn't, but is the sale of reloaded ammo without a license? Is a sale limited by quantity? People are permitted to brew beer and distill small quantities of alcohol without a license, but to exceed this limit, you need a license.
What's the case here?
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I read this in the New York Times this morning -
see: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/us/las-vegas-shooting-stephen-paddock.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fus&action=click&contentCollection=us®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront
Of course, the reporter got the terminology wrong (confuses "bullets" with "ammunition and tracer with AP), but this got me thinking. If the accused reloaded ammo and sold it to Stephen Paddock, is this a crime? Reloading certainly isn't, but is the sale of reloaded ammo without a license? Is a sale limited by quantity? People are permitted to brew beer and distill small quantities of alcohol without a license, but to exceed this limit, you need a license.
What's the case here? You can not manufacture ammunition for resale without a license legally. You can not distill alcohol even for personal use legally.
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You cannot reload ammo and give it away much less sell it.That is considered manufacturing without a license.
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FFL06 need it.
Hope he had a good commercial liability policy as well.
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I hope he sold enough illegal ammunition to cover the lawsuit he is about to be connected with.
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I read this in the New York Times this morning -
see: https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/02/us/las-vegas-shooting-stephen-paddock.html?rref=collection%2Fsectioncollection%2Fus&action=click&contentCollection=us®ion=rank&module=package&version=highlights&contentPlacement=1&pgtype=sectionfront
Of course, the reporter got the terminology wrong (confuses "bullets" with "ammunition and tracer with AP), but this got me thinking. If the accused reloaded ammo and sold it to Stephen Paddock, is this a crime? Reloading certainly isn't, but is the sale of reloaded ammo without a license? Is a sale limited by quantity? People are permitted to brew beer and distill small quantities of alcohol without a license, but to exceed this limit, you need a license.
What's the case here? You can not manufacture ammunition for resale without a license legally. You can not distill alcohol even for personal use legally. Stop it! Facts don't have any place in his head... 
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This will hand him one hell of a negative reputation but he can beat it easy with a good attorney. selling a pack of ammo isn't criminal the last time i checked.
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This will hand him one hell of a negative reputation but he can beat it easy with a good attorney. selling a pack of ammo isn't criminal the last time i checked. Reading comprehension isn't your strong suit eh?
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I have to wonder how many people are arrested each year for manufacturing ammo without a license ?
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Do I need my tin foil? 😉
How fuggin convenient! I mean, bout fuggin time they got somebody responsible for this!
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Exactly as you cannot sell guns commercially without a license, you also cannot make ammunition for commercial sale without a license.
In the process of investigating the shooting, they discovered this alleged crime/criminal. What would you expect them to do, ignore it? No different from stopping a speeder and finding a pile of drugs.
The media is likely to have added the "armor piercing" tag on their own, also. In the same way they call every semi-auto a "machine gun" and anything black an "assault weapon" they call this stuff "armor piercing" simply because a normal .308 round will in fact penetrate normal body armor.
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