Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Two LEOs killed in Ohio today, unreal.

DS certainly has issues that show with his sentiment on LEO's. Yes, there are "bad cops" and bad tactics that get them hurt and killed. But to use a statistical argument solely as a basis for his statements relies on a false premise. Those who are hurt or killed in the performance of their trade usually are found to have had inadequate training, equipment, took shortcuts and possibly complacent. While some of this can be true for LEO work, one aspect is a game changer. The extreme level of interpersonal contact and the emotional underpinnings of such encounters can't be measured. If you haven't been in that position that necessitates split-second decisions, then you cannot appreciate that pressure. When heading to a call, you have no idea as to its accuracy, the mental/physical state of the person(s) you are about to meet. You don't know their intent, whether they are high, drunk, suicidal or willing to escape custody at any price. None of the other "trades" are met with cell phones poised and ready to capture your every move. Body and squad cameras are ready to document too - the good and the bad.

The tradesman doesn't face shingles, bricks, lumber, fishing nets, shipping containers or trash cans that have an ulterior, sinister motive. While they are just as "dead" and the family just as devastated, there is a difference. None of these intangibles had the intent to hurt or kill a LEO. Those you meet at the call location may have a different agenda. While training and experience is meant to increase your survivability, there remains one other factor to consider. The LEO is the only force standing between society and chaos. None of these other valuable tradesmen will get summoned when you call 911.

But that excludes the military? GMAB.

Wow....If you wait until you get shot, before returning fire, your tactics suck.

I asked my brother in law cop once why cops use lasers. Does it aid in accuracy or speed?
"No. It's because no one sane keeps fighting once that red circle lands on thier chest."

You saw my thoughts on the Military.... they’re ALL heroes, alive or dead, still serving or not, ALL heroes. That isn’t/wasn’t their job.... it was their life.

PS.... I thought you were done with this?

Cops do it for life, as well.

I have absolutely no fear of being killed by any law officer. However, I have very much a right to fear being killed by thug like urban types, melanin or not. Stop catch and release. Stop catch and incarcerate. Start catch and bury.

Heart attacks, suicides, and driving accidents kill the most firefighters.


The firemen killed in building collapse or in a flashover while conducting a primary search get the headlines.


Its actually kind of a disservice.

The emergency services has struggled for years to recognize ways to lower LODD's.

Some of the reasons we have kind of plateaued are cultural, some tactical, and some are just because.

A few years ago a couple firemen responded to a structure fire.

The fire had been intentionally set in order to lure emergency responders to the scene so they could be murdered.

One fireman was killed, one was seriously injured...by gunfire.




Something like that is not going to be stopped or avoided. There was big talk about arming fire fighters.......that went by the wayside.


It was treated as a huge problem....but statistically it was not.


Yes, sometimes schit happens....no way to beat that.

Thats not to say that there are not ways to prevent or lower LODD's though.

Nope... it’s a job.

When a cop from Texas gets “deployed” for 15 months to Chit-cago.... and his wife and kids are left at home to fend for themselves.... I might buy part of that.

I just love the flip view here. We have another expert from Colorado, with minimal exposure to the knuckle dragging hordes of savage apes just looking to destroy YT making self proclaimed views. Spend a bit more time in Chitcongo or Detoilet before thinking the world is all legal grass.

I remember that.

They "deploy" firemen, because the job rarely comes to you. And servicemen have failed, if the war comes here.

Edit: my son is a new fireman, and worked the Montana wildfires. He is employed here locally. He ain't dead, but he is clearly a hero.

The obtuse nature of DS's comments confirm his lack of rational thought. But hey, he has the right the say whatever he wants no matter how inaccurate.

https://www.usnews.com/news/nationa...ic-drop-in-police-officer-deaths-in-2017

Of course even 1 is 1 too many. I do think the term "Hero" has been widely abused. Just showing up for work does not make one a hero. The problem is the Hero language is being used to suppress any reforms within the policing community, being used to turn the police into a military organization, being used to justify the salary and pension abuses within the system. The word is being used to push propaganda and has watered down what it really means and should mean. That being said, these two LE Officers are indeed hero's and deserve to be remembered as such.

Here's the typical example of the useless apes LEOs have to wrangle each and every day. Yeah, police must be the problem. Stick your head in the sand a bit deeper libtards.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESid6IUliGc

Wow! That is a lot of mileage you got there for the "abuse" of the word hero. Care to add a little context and justification to your wild statement? Or are you just flapping your keyboard with your own agenda?

You do not believe the term "hero" has been over used and abused in this country?

How am I incorrect?

Cop punches in at 9:00 leaves at 5:00... works his 40... just like the next guy. Goes home, sleeps in his bed, takes his kids to soccer practice, eats home cooked meals, etc. That.... is a job.

Is his job “harder” or more “volatile” than most? Probably....

Is it more dangerous? The statistics clearly show that it is not.

Every time a cop is killed should we fly the flag at half-mast and shut’er down for the day? No

Yes, you are incorrect. Cops are never fully off duty. They're just paid during thier shift, but never completely off grid. Any more than a soldier is off duty in a war zone. If the chit hits the fan, he will be in the thick of it, with or without body armor, backup, or your good opinion.

Dogshooter,

It might be a good idea, if you find yourself in a hole, to stop digging.

It ain’t a hole.... it’s a soapbox.

Just because I don’t think we should offer up every dead cop for Sainthood.... I’m the azzhole.... I’m good with that.

I’ve been “wrong” before.... but WAY more often than that, I’m guilty of being correct... and an azzhole.

Funny that y’all think I have to be “wrong” and “delusional”.... though I’m sure, to most folks (though obviously not here) , I’m far more correct than you guys.