Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire let's educate the rank & file on ar-15 rifles.

I don't know about that. Seems to me that if he/she's old enough to join the military and die fighting for our freedom they should be able to buy a semi automatic rifle.

i was kind of explaining it this way
a ar15 bullet .224 diameter usually about 55grain, until you get into some of the other stuff.
about 3000fps give or take.

a .22lr 224 bullet mayble 1500fps out of a rifle.
people are conditioned to this ar's are bad, because of the way they look, not much comment about a ruger mini 14

but take a ruger 10/22 with two 25 found mags strapped on it, it can do a lot of damage., totally unreported.
Mostly i do't shoot ar's much, because i am too cheap to burn up ammo that way. I have a bolt action in that caliber i prefer for popping tin cans.
most people have no idea what a true battle rifle in a 30caliber is like.

Klik,

Ooh. Hacking self-driving cars?

I never thought I would own one, but it’s fun to shoot pigs with!!

So,Mr. Bugs, you are OK with all the 19 year old United States Marines packing around the M-16's over in the sandbox? United States Army troopers too, along with lots of USAF airmen and quite a few US Navy sailors. I suppose these are just kids to you, Mr. Bugs? Bad enough when they get home they cant buy a beer.

You, Mr. Bugs, are what is known in the trade as a Fudd. It's perfectly all right for you to go out and bust clay pigeons, poke holes in paper targets, etc, but you in your sanctimonious rightousness want to deny others the right to exercise THEIR 2nd Amendment rights in a manner they see fit. Disgusting.

It's your opinion and you are entitled to it. Would you still be opposed if the kid were 20? How about 21?
About these 19 year olds, are you opposed to them joining the military and being deployed?

In the right circumstances the 5.56 is adequate for elephant. And it has an advantage when facing those of small stature in combat.The M16 was a good platform IMHO.

Never shot an M4 or AR of any persuasion, don't have any use for them. Did carry a CAR15 for about a year and have always considered it the genesis of the M4. Did not get to use it on ele, but it's adequate for those persistent small statured people that make my tee shirts and furniture these days.

So the Army saw fit to give me all that stuff (and more) before I was old enough to vote and here I am. I guess it worked. There is nothing unique about the platform in any of the AR iterations and what the left says about the evil black rifle is BS. As was suggested previously, an evil mind can do bad things with a 22 RF.

Does any of this really matter? Nope. Provide a motivation and society will attempt to right a wrong. I doubt any success will come from the effort for many reasons. First and foremost is that society does not want to recognize that guns don't kill people, even though there are countries in Europe where this is well understood and a gun in every closet or damn near it. Thinking that Cowboy Tim covered that fairly.

One of the best, most versatile platforms to come along in a long time. It does nothing by itself, just like vehicles, spoons, pencils and the like.

And I just realized the bigger horror, my vehicle will go above the speed limit... and I'm trusted to receive prescription RX ....

+1 I don't own one, don't really like them, but it would diminish ALL our rights to deny someone the right to own one. I'm older and "short for my weight" and don't want to chase the brass, not even a little bit. They make a great coyote gun, and a tolerable prairie dog rifle (are you against that, too?)
It's already against the laws. country-wide, to kill people, so what would another law, infringing on the rights of law-abiding gun owners, do to curb that? Better to fix this issue where it starts, with the lunatics who do such things, and leave us regular folk alone. This is strictly a mental health issue, and some in gov't's attempts to control people, not a gun issue. Wake TFU.

Although I have one, and it is a fun rifle to shoot, I could easily live without it.
I love to hunt and shoot shotgun sports. I had a bunch of bolt actions and scatter guns right up to the boating accident.
In my eyes, the fact of the matter is this.
The Second Amendment was added for one very simple reason.
That reason has zero to do with hunting or shooting trap.
The founders recognized the fact that every government in every form eventually grows to take power away from those being governed.
The Second Amendment was made only to combat this fact.
It doesn't protect hunting guns, it guarantees citizens to have a means to protect themselves from out of control government.
If anything, it protects civilian ownership of the same rifle used by the military.
I would say it is the right, and possibly the responsibility, of every American to own and be proficient in its use.
7mm

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Banning this gun, that gun or a whole group of guns won't solve a damn thing.

The problem is that, once you allow them to ban "this gun or that gun", they will continue to insist that we ban ALL guns.

I really enjoy it when DD pops up on an AR/ M-16 thread to answer the bashers w/ a dose of reality. Uncle Sugar gave me my 1st in 1966, I was 19. When I was given a CAR 15 I thought I had reached the pinnacle of combat arms.


mike r

The talking heads and general public call the AR15 a military weapon, was/is the AR15 an issued military weapon?

I thought and have read the military issued an M16, M4 or variants of both.

Right after they build a flintlock rifle.

they look good on a fence post too

I have one loaded in every room of the house and all of my vehicles

Waiting for zombies

Facts don't matter, only emotion. The best reply to "Why do you need a whatever?" is BFYTW. They ain't going to hear facts anyway.

Understand that the enemy left in this country aren't interested in stopping killers. They are interested in consolidating power over you. Mass killings serve the purpose of the left.

Exactly! We don't have a gun problem, we have a people problem.

GK

I was told the same thing last night, by a customer. She got pissed at the sight of my Friends of NRA hat that I was wearing. I explained the difference between the two organizationsm, but also told her that I am a loyal, Life Member of the NRA. She won’t likely buy anything from me for a very long time. So be it!