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Here's the way that I see this....

The NRA is huge.... They do a lot more than just 2nd Amendment defense...

It looks to me that the other groups are solely about the 2nd Amendment, which is great.... Right now is really not the time to bicker about who does what.... We all need to band together and fight this fight....

Nancy, Dianne, Chuck, the media and the others are not going after GOA or the 2nd Amendment groups, they are launching an all out assault on the NRA and right now that's where I'm putting my dollars...

I have seen on to many other sites where (gun) people are absolutely slamming the NRA... It's their right to do that outright now is when we all need to close ranks and focus on who the actual enemy is...

I am a Patron Life member of the NRA a Life Member of the Texas State Rifle Association and both of my boys are NRA Life Members

I had never heard go GOA until recently and will probably be sending them a bit of money as well...

This is our time and we need to band together and be prepared for the fight... Fighting amongst ourselves is only a victory for the anti gunners....

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We would all do well to support every organization that fights for our rights including our state organizations. We are being attacked daily from all directions by liberal socialist clucks that are quite willing to trash the constitution in favor of the communist manifesto.


Agree. Appears the Moms Demand organization has more members than the NRA. Won’t be long before there are twice as many. And they have Bloomberg’s money...


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I send $$$ to SAF, not so much to the NRA, although Lifetime member. Got tired of the 7 letter pleas . Asked NRA to quit sending me pleas. I contribute more since they quit. I also send $$$ to the NRA - Civil Rights Defense Fund.

However, the NRA is under fire from the left now, and I am gonna send a big check.

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There's only two real games (at the national level) in this fight. The NRA and the Second Amendment Foundation. We need both. The NRA for their lobbying efforts and The Second Amendment Foundation to win court cases.


This, If the NRA can get it done in the Capitol building we wouldn't need the SAF so much. I'am a life member to both organizations and my donations are split 50-50 between both.



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I am wondering what exactly did the NRA do in the Heller and McDonald cases? Really I'm not sure. I heard they did nothing until the last minute and then waded in as a friend of the court. Kind of the same way some countries declared war on Nazi Germany in the spring of 1945. You know, let somebody else fight the battle and then swoop in on the kill. Is this true?


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Also should remember that we are up against folks like Bloomberg and Soros who are writing multi million dollar checks to organizations devoted to taking away your guns, ammo and 2nd Amendment rights, each and every year.


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Hastings, Not true. NRA provided legal and financial support.
It is unfortunate that the NRA does not make a more clear statement detailing their involvement in these issues.
Sad reality is that they cannot "tip their hand" while these cases slowly move thru the legal system. That would play into the hands of the enemy.


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Special place in Hell for gun owners who bash the NRA with their stupid and ill informed bloviations....sell you effin guns and just go join the other side already.


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Just joined the second amendment foundation, life member, I will split 50-50 with them and the NRA. Don’t want to keep all my eggs in one basket, I don’t think you can hurt.

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I think spreading some of the money around is not a bad thing, so I upgraded to Endowment level, SAF Life and GOA Life this morning.
Can never have enough allies in this fight.

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Originally Posted by SBTCO
Originally Posted by dale06
Originally Posted by gregintenn
What has GOA accomplished? I'm not pro or anti, I seriously do not know.


I’m in to see their accomplishments.



Do some research.

They punch above their wt. and they don't compromise.



Haysoos Effing Christ. You start a thread pimping an organization and that is the best you can do? Do GOA a favor and stop advocating for them.

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Just spent a half hour research GOA, did not come up with much other than there seems to be a lot of controversy on their own website. Hoping that someone could share some real data justifying support for GOA.
Glib answers, as provided by SBTCO are wasting everyones time and testing my sense of humor.
There is no shortage of organizations out begging for support that are bags of wind or simply fraudulent. Help me with my due diligence.


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Originally Posted by fishdog52
Hastings, Not true. NRA provided legal and financial support.
It is unfortunate that the NRA does not make a more clear statement detailing their involvement in these issues.
Sad reality is that they cannot "tip their hand" while these cases slowly move thru the legal system. That would play into the hands of the enemy.

Maybe what I read is wrong, but from what I can tell the Heller case began in district court in 2003 and was finally decided on June 26, 2008 after having been heard by the supreme court in March 2008. The first official action I can find record of by NRA is their February 7, 2008 Amicus brief. In fact it seems NRA wanted nothing to do with the case for fear of losing. I happen to be a life member of NRA but they seem to have failed us when we needed them most. Sort of like that deputy in Florida.


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Just for future reference, be advised that Trump got $970K from the NRA and HRC got $1.1M from the anti's. Putin hasn't reported in yet to the FEC.


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The NRA makes the game for all the other players.


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Originally Posted by fishdog52
Just spent a half hour research GOA, did not come up with much other than there seems to be a lot of controversy on their own website. Hoping that someone could share some real data justifying support for GOA.
Glib answers, as provided by SBTCO are wasting everyones time and testing my sense of humor.
There is no shortage of organizations out begging for support that are bags of wind or simply fraudulent. Help me with my due diligence.



Fishdog, why waste our time with your post? If you don't want to send money to GOA, fine don't, your choice. Just like its your choice to join this forum, read this thread, and even post on it. No one is forcing you to read anything. YOUR choice on the "wasting everyones time". As far as your "testing my sense of humor"? Personal problem.

But don't whine about not finding any info on GOA after I posted pertinent links and a quote from reputable sources right here on this thread. You obviously know little/nothing about GOA and yet insinuate they are "bags of wind or simply fraudulent". Unwad your panties and pull the cob out, it will help with your outlook on life.


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Hastings, not that simple.
The Heller case evolved from several other plaintiffs dating back to '03. Part of the proceedings were to determine just who had legal status to bring suit. The NRA was behind a plaintiff by the name of Parker going back to the beginning. The NRA also attempted to have Heller brought under their umbrella. Of the 6 individuals, only Heller was recognized by the court as having such status, and could proceed.
The NRA had a serious concern that the SCOTUS was skewed such that a favorable ruling was unlikely. Given limited resources, the NRA must qualify the actions thay can support. However, they got over it, and filed a amicus brief in support of Heller. The NRA ( LaPierre and Cox specifically) were candid in admitting their position had been a mistake, not only got out of the way, but supported Heller, then really ran with it, filing suit in Chicago and LA building on, and re-confirming the decision.
To be clear, NRA participation (official actions) began in 2002-2003. Nothing simple about the legal process on the road leading to the Supreme Court.


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Originally Posted by PaulBarnard
Originally Posted by SBTCO
Originally Posted by dale06
Originally Posted by gregintenn
What has GOA accomplished? I'm not pro or anti, I seriously do not know.


I’m in to see their accomplishments.



Do some research.

They punch above their wt. and they don't compromise.



Haysoos Effing Christ. You start a thread pimping an organization and that is the best you can do? Do GOA a favor and stop advocating for them.



Read the whole thread, you'll find several links to GOA that I've posted.


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How many states has the GOA taken to court, and won, over the right to carry?
We have concealed carry in all the states because the NRA/ILA won in court.


No.

The NRA wins in state legislatures.

The Second Amendment Foundation wins in court.

I'd prefer to see the NRA stay out of court and focus more on lobbying efforts since it's what they do best. Lets the SAF do what they do best.



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Originally Posted by fishdog52
Hastings, not that simple.
The Heller case evolved from several other plaintiffs dating back to '03. Part of the proceedings were to determine just who had legal status to bring suit. The NRA was behind a plaintiff by the name of Parker going back to the beginning. The NRA also attempted to have Heller brought under their umbrella. Of the 6 individuals, only Heller was recognized by the court as having such status, and could proceed.
The NRA had a serious concern that the SCOTUS was skewed such that a favorable ruling was unlikely. Given limited resources, the NRA must qualify the actions thay can support. However, they got over it, and filed a amicus brief in support of Heller. The NRA ( LaPierre and Cox specifically) were candid in admitting their position had been a mistake, not only got out of the way, but supported Heller, then really ran with it, filing suit in Chicago and LA building on, and re-confirming the decision.
To be clear, NRA participation (official actions) began in 2002-2003. Nothing simple about the legal process on the road leading to the Supreme Court.

Well, I sure hope you're right and that I had the wrong impression of our NRA. I wrote NRA a hand written letter back in the 1970's imploring them to go to court and defend the 2nd Amendment instead of keeping up the drumbeat of crisis for fundraising purposes. They never replied. My idea is that if there is a right to own firearms then we don't need this constant political turmoil. I figure Mr. LaPierre etal need this matter left unsettled or they become irrelevant. I dropped my membership way back in the 70s and only rejoined as a life member to satisfy an honored family member who payed for part of it. I just wish NRA was half as bad (good) as the left wing accuses us of being. If they (we) only go into battles we are certain of winning we will lose the war. Give the devil his due. Just like the devil the leftists are persistent and don't avoid losing and don't quit when they lose a battle. We could do well to adopt that tactic ourselves. Thanks for discussing this with me, and God bless you. We are on the same side of this issue.


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