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Please note that the OP cited the United Methodist Church which is a specific body of Methodists fiancé from Free Methodists and others.

Same goes for Presbyterians. You’re talking about the Presbyterian Church USA which has been on a sharp downhill grade since the early 1920s when other groups left that body for those very reasons.

Not all Presbyterians are synchratists...

Southern experience of UMC is still far more conservative then further north. Our church is more older folks, and I would echo the "never heard this" part.
However, under the guise of "social justice" I'd say the world's agenda is eventually going to make it entirely into the tent (to distort Arabian fable imagery.)

What's now defended is the civil rights of any "partners", where insurance and legal rights of survivorship come in, even if knowing their lifestyle isn't holy.
Just imagine what it must be like for the older ones seeing what's coming!

I don't care for the non-denominational churches, as too many times it is all about the pastor, and following him instead of the word of God. The problem with the Methodists, Catholics, Presbyterians, and the such, are that as membership numbers have dropped, they've became more liberal in their views, hoping to attract more people in order to bring in money........which pretty means that they've sold out to God for the almighty dollar.

Even my denomination, the Southern Baptists, have been apologizing to the Blacks because of the views the church held on slavery 150 years ago. Bullchit..........that's ancient history and no one is alive now that was then so it should never have been brought up.

Large churches are usually all about money, and the publicity that they feel they must have. Smaller churches struggle sometimes to keep the doors open, because of the lack of money. The Catholic church is all about money, and not to make any Catholics on here mad, but I could never be a Catholic, because a priest cannot forgive you for your sins, only God can. Still, I want to see churches succeed and grow, but becoming more liberal is not the right way.

Preach it, Brother RJY66 and RockChuck.

I reckon protestants can get to heaven too; but I don't think they'll get a view lot. Probably more down by the septic; or in the projects.

Ha. I dont know one that is a psychiatrist.

Homosexuality is a sin. Period.



Any true church will not deny that. Period.




But, ................... so is cursing or greed or lusting.



They don't come in degrees, and even if we find one more dIsgusting than another, that is way above our paygrade.



Our local Methodist churches have lost a lot of members due to the liberal policies.
Many long term members have had enough.


We attend a Non-denominational Fundamentalist church.
That sounds scary, but,
We aren't controlled by some big organization, and we simply follow the bible.

Remember Jimma Carter said the Bibble contained the word of Gawd but you had to search it out and he is Baptisy.

Oh yeah. I forgot. He is American Baptisy, not Southern Baptist.

Just curious, but do you guys pass snakes around in church? How don't ya'll get bit?

Thanks, I was thinking I poorly explained but you clearly understood my intent.
Saying one Sin is worse than another is saying there are degrees of Sin. Which can easily extrapolate to works based righteousness. If anyone seriously thinks it’s just the UMC look at where Southern Naptists and Evangelicals are positioned.

The truth of the Bible is All are created in his image. That means Black, White, Gay, Straight, Muslim, Hindu. You know, “All” people. Read the passages on Pornueo. You’ll realize what I am saying. Anyone remarried falls in there to. Have a dirty thought? Same boat as the homosexual sin. There aren’t degrees of Sin. Looking at Someone and saying “Well, at least I’m not that bad” is what we all do at some point. Jesus in the Garden understood there weren’t Good and Bad. We are all bad. So saying “Our Church won’t marry Gays” while they will perform second marriages is a strong condemnation but it really doesn’t matter. We are all dead in sin. There aren’t degrees of Sin because there aren’t degrees of dead. When you die your dead. No matter what “The Princess Bride” teaches about “mostly dead”

No snakes.


But, our preacher did tell some of us he carries concealed when in church.
He would be the first to see something bad coming down, and in the best position
to try to stop it.

He also doesn't mind certain others being armed. (Not that he banned anyone)


I guess that makes us armed and radical.
Somehow, it makes me feel more comfortable.

We were getting ready to quit the UMC after having to pray every week for the LGBT community, what pushed us over the top was when we had our son christened and the pastor came out wearing the rainbow flag sash.

As in looks? Bi peds?

I like the guy already.

Deciding who’s good enough and who is too sinful is in essence saying God needs you to decide who gets in and who doesn’t.

Let me try a slightly different approach. How many would welcome Homosexualsinto their house? Why is it different from a Church. The People are the Church. The building is just a building. What if it was a Gay Minister? He shouldn’t be a Minister because he is more immoral than a Hetero Minister? What if he could convert 10k Homosexuals to Christianity? What about just 1? Why should you decide their salvation isn’t worth it. Back to trying to decide for God who’s in and who’s out. You don’t get your own personal religion. It doesn’t matter what you think. That was my point in saying if the Bible doesn’t upset you your probably not reading deep enough.

I wish for a resurgence in family values. I wish for a return to my rural upbringing were I could take a gun at 9 into the woods and no one cared. I wish for a lot of things. It’s why I initially supported the NC HB. I was wrong to determine who was moral and who wasn’t. It hit home when I found out my Wife’s Co-Worker who had 2 Autustic Children and a “Partner” who left her career to stay home and raise them years after the woman’s husband had ran out on them couldn’t get married. I initially thought about the same Traditional Family values and how this was in direct conflict. Then I later heard that this same Woman who gave up a lucrative career had cancer and because of the NC HB she couldn’t be covered under her Partner. When my values create that much suffering for someone else it’s time to re-evaluate.

Works based Righteousness, earning salvation, a lot of other things would be great. Fairness, how often do you see someone get what they don’t deserve at work and you think it’s not fair? There are a lot of things Ibwish were in or not in the Bible but it’s not up to me to decide. It’s the word of God and trying to twist it to fit my lifestyle is as bad as worshipping an Idol.

Some folks kinda forgot about Romans 14:10

Ed

I like that line when new people show up to our Rural Church. I like to tell them “It gets real good when they break out the snakes”

I understand the push away from UMC for their stance on gun control. I know each Church is semi-independent but from what I can tell all contribute to the UMC financially. If you like your church otherwise give your tithe to their Mission work or give somewhere else. Don’t let a ruling body decide where you attend. I go to church for a lot of reasons. Pleasing or agreeing with the congregation isn’t one of them. I have heard of a lot of local Ministers who CC even if the UMC is against it.

I think your the one missing the mark on intentions. I've not read where anyone has tried to lay varying degrees of accountability to the weight of one sin against the other. Maybe I just missed it.
Your position, which I think most feel the same way, is irrelevant to the issue as it pertains to "Marriage" as it is set forth in the scriptures.

Or Romans 14:13-15

Aw, we git bit alright but it just dont hurt too much ifin yer not doin too much sinnin.