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so I use mil/mil scopes almost all the time for the dialing........but my son for whatever reason fell in love with a Leupold VariX III 2.5x8 with the m1 elevation knob on it. mils are mils at any distance, but these damn inches suck ass trying to figure out. so the app I use shows his load has 45.2 inches of drop at 475 yds.......so do I dial 45.2 on the dial or what do I dial.....yes I know mil/mil is easy as pie, but you know how teenagers can be.........lol......cant figure out if I dial the full inches value or is it a proportional value.........my feeble old mind can not wrap around this........he may just get another fixed 6 super chicken so his brain challenged father can figure this crap out...........
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The app won't show moa drops?
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The app won't show moa drops? yes it will but MOA and inches are different............not sure that it matters at 475 yds, but there is a difference in the two.
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But the difference between them is moot if you know the drop in moa. Just dial that many moa using the graduations on the turret, same as you would with mils correction and a mils turret.
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Stop thinking inches......MOA only......
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but the M1 turret is in inches correct or is it MOA? jeesh mils/mils makes this stuff so much easier................
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1 MOA = 1.047” at 100 yards.
1MOA = 4.973” at 475 yards.
45.2” at 475 yards = 9.09 MOA [45.2”/ 4.97 MOA = 9.09 MOA]
Dial 9 MOA on the elevation turret.
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Stay away from the inches. Read the correction off the app in moa, dial the correction in moa. No math required.
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Stay away from the inches. Read the correction off the app in moa, dial the correction in moa. No math required. That’s like handing a kid a calculator and telling him he doesn’t need to learn basic arithmetic.
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The app won't show moa drops? yes it will but MOA and inches are different............not sure that it matters at 475 yds, but there is a difference in the two. Mils are mils and MOA is MOA. Dave
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Stay away from the inches. Read the correction off the app in moa, dial the correction in moa. No math required. That’s like handing a kid a calculator and telling him he doesn’t need to learn basic arithmetic. I'll disagree for the moment since I don't think he's trying to reverse engineer a correction from a miss, a miss whose size he's guessed in inches. Rather, when making a shot, why introduce inches? Laze the target. Read the angular correction for the load at that distance directly off the app or the range card. Dial the angle and shoot.
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this just shows me to never buy another scope that isn't mil/mil..............mils are straight forward and makes more sense to my feeble mind.......but thanks for the info guys.......
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this just shows me to never buy another scope that isn't mil/mil..............mils are straight forward and makes more sense to my feeble mind.......but thanks for the info guys....... Moa is straight forward as well. Just depends whether you want the extra precision offered with amd prefer the 100 based math of moa or the 10 based math of mils. As long as the turrets match the reticle I can go either way. I hate moa turrets with mil reticles like a lot of the old Leupolds used. I am a hunter and steel shooter so I will take the extra quickness and simplicity of mils calculations. As said above quit thinking in inches and treat the reticle like a ruler for corrections and all will be fine.
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Stay away from the inches. Read the correction off the app in moa, dial the correction in moa. No math required. That’s like handing a kid a calculator and telling him he doesn’t need to learn basic arithmetic. I'll disagree for the moment... You’ve wisely left yourself an opportunity to come around after sleeping on it. 
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but the M1 turret is in inches correct or is it MOA? jeesh mils/mils makes this stuff so much easier................ It's in MOA
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this just shows me to never buy another scope that isn't mil/mil..............mils are straight forward and makes more sense to my feeble mind.......but thanks for the info guys....... I don't understand the difficulty. Why should the name of the units make a difference as long as the correction and the dial increment are in the same ones? Range the target. It's 475 yards away. With an app or a range card for your load it says the correction is 15 dingledoodies for 475 yards. So turn the dial from zero to the 15 dingledoodie mark. That's it.
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I don't understand either? Ones just as easy as the other from a range look at chart dial stand point.
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Like some of us old guys, drop factors such as in loading books is always stated in inches, not mil/mil or MOA, so a conversion is necessary. The thing is, the conversions is only required once for each load. Since inches and MOA correlate pretty closely, you can convert them pretty easily as shown above. Then, make up an MOA adjustment card for each 50 yard increment or whichever you choose out to your chosen limit and tape it to your buttstock. Range the distance, check your range card, dial the MOA, shoot.
Stick used to have a great video on this site that explained converting inches to MOA that was outstanding and easy to understand. Perhaps you could find it with a search, but it would be back quite some time...
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Range the target. It's 475 yards away. With an app or a range card for your load it says the correction is 15 dingledoodies for 475 yards. So turn the dial from zero to the 15 dingledoodie mark. That's it.
Yes, but how many dingldoodies would that be with a .223 at 600 yards?
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