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The leaders of some churches study the bible and teach from the Word. Others sway which ever way the wind blows.
Whatever it takes to fill the pews and the collection plates! Inclusiveness is all the rage these days. No bible thumpers for this guy. Yea,it's best to weed out the undesirables from the congregation. Isn't that the way Jesus operated?
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The parable of the sowing of the seeds is a fairly concise description of how people accept or reject the word of God.
Christ was accepting of repentant sinners. Christ wasn't accepting of all, and it wasn't the wretched sinners he wanted to have around him. It was those with hearts that could accept the word of God, be repentant of their sins and open to allowing Christ to heal them. Conversely he reproached and rejected the Scribes and Pharisees not because of their knowledge of the Law, but because of their hard hearts that were not accepting of the word of God. So yes, he did weed out the undesirables, but as with most things it is the opposite of how we see it.
The word of God is wisdom to some, and foolishness to most. If one is open to the word of God, they see no reason to analyze it, interpret it, re translate it, consider relevance to social norms, contemplate cultural context, etc., ad nauseam they simply and humbly accept it. You either understand the essence of the word and except, or you find reasons to reject.
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The leaders of some churches study the bible and teach from the Word. Others sway which ever way the wind blows.
Whatever it takes to fill the pews and the collection plates! Inclusiveness is all the rage these days. No bible thumpers for this guy. Yea,it's best to weed out the undesirables from the congregation. Isn't that the way Jesus operated? I was baptised in the catholic faith, parents choice not mine. Funny how the vast majority of bible toters I've met react with open disdain but I'm supposed to automatically accept them with open arms.
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Read the Word, trust the Word, and obey the Word.
I think we all will be OK if we do.
George
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Seems that today there are so many versions of the bible floating around I don't know what are quotes and which are just some guy typing. Excellent point. This is why I stick to the King James, whose New Testament is a translation of the Greek Textus Receptus. 1 Cor 1:10 Now I beseech you, brethren, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye all speak the same thing, and that there be no divisions among you; but that ye be perfectly joined together in the same mind and in the same judgment. Well, i dont think God gave the command to not kill, as it is interpreted in the KJV, for the simple reason He commanded His people to kill other people and He is the same Yesterday, Today and Tomorrow. I think the correct interpretations are not to commit muder and not to bear false witness against a neighbor.
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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Also, didnt God say for the elders to hunt down and kill a murderer? Didnt He say to buy a sword? Swords are far killing.
As far as that goes, If you chop the head off a chicken you have killed.
Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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The parable of the sowing of the seeds is a fairly concise description of how people accept or reject the word of God.
Christ was accepting of repentant sinners. Christ wasn't accepting of all, and it wasn't the wretched sinners he wanted to have around him. It was those with hearts that could accept the word of God, be repentant of their sins and open to allowing Christ to heal them. Conversely he reproached and rejected the Scribes and Pharisees not because of their knowledge of the Law, but because of their hard hearts that were not accepting of the word of God. So yes, he did weed out the undesirables, but as with most things it is the opposite of how we see it.
The word of God is wisdom to some, and foolishness to most. If one is open to the word of God, they see no reason to analyze it, interpret it, re translate it, consider relevance to social norms, contemplate cultural context, etc., ad nauseam they simply and humbly accept it. You either understand the essence of the word and except, or you find reasons to reject. I 100% agree with everything you say here until your last paragraph. I’m confused. Do you have a Hebrew OT & Greek/Aramaic NT? Do the women over whom you have federal headship wear head coverings?
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Seems to me, that there is a lot of pickin and a choosin over what Bible verse is true and what is not.
Besides why should a woman cover her head when she's at a rock concert, which is suppose to pass for worship
Question: Having men only as pastors just a cultural thing?
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The parable of the sowing of the seeds is a fairly concise description of how people accept or reject the word of God.
Christ was accepting of repentant sinners. Christ wasn't accepting of all, and it wasn't the wretched sinners he wanted to have around him. It was those with hearts that could accept the word of God, be repentant of their sins and open to allowing Christ to heal them. Conversely he reproached and rejected the Scribes and Pharisees not because of their knowledge of the Law, but because of their hard hearts that were not accepting of the word of God. So yes, he did weed out the undesirables, but as with most things it is the opposite of how we see it.
The word of God is wisdom to some, and foolishness to most. If one is open to the word of God, they see no reason to analyze it, interpret it, re translate it, consider relevance to social norms, contemplate cultural context, etc., ad nauseam they simply and humbly accept it. You either understand the essence of the word and except, or you find reasons to reject. Fantastic post !
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If it’s in the Bible God cares about it. The question here is context... cultural context.
In that culture submission of the wife to the husband was expressed via the outward form of headcovering.
Does God care about womens’ headcoverings in our culture? No.
Does He care about submission of wives to husbands (and husbands to Christ ala Eph 5)? Yep.
Will such submission get a woman to heaven? No!!!!!!!!
Will a woman saved by grace consider it joy to submit to her husband? Yep.
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Seems to me, that there is a lot of pickin and a choosin over what Bible verse is true and what is not.
Besides why should a woman cover her head when she's at a rock concert, which is suppose to pass for worship
Question: Having men only as pastors just a cultural thing? It's a "cultural thing" in Christ's church. 1 Timothy 2:12-14, "But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being quite deceived, fell into transgression."
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If it’s in the Bible God cares about it. The question here is context... cultural context.
In that culture submission of the wife to the husband was expressed via the outward form of headcovering.
Does God care about womens’ headcoverings in our culture? No.
Does He care about submission of wives to husbands (and husbands to Christ ala Eph 5)? Yep.
Will such submission get a woman to heaven? No!!!!!!!!
Will a woman saved by grace consider it joy to submit to her husband? Yep. If you don't mind would you document your support for this post from God's Word, please. If you can't would you mind telling us by what authority you suggest God does not care about head coverings in our culture?
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Seems to me, that there is a lot of pickin and a choosin over what Bible verse is true and what is not.
Besides why should a woman cover her head when she's at a rock concert, which is suppose to pass for worship
Question: Having men only as pastors just a cultural thing? Yep because the difference between men & women that God is directing us toward in that rule is woven into our natures as men & women. It isn’t cultural. A woman’s submission can take different forms (such as head covering in Corinth) but no woman can submit while fulfilling the role of overseer.
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If it’s in the Bible God cares about it. The question here is context... cultural context.
In that culture submission of the wife to the husband was expressed via the outward form of headcovering.
Does God care about womens’ headcoverings in our culture? No.
Does He care about submission of wives to husbands (and husbands to Christ ala Eph 5)? Yep.
Will such submission get a woman to heaven? No!!!!!!!!
Will a woman saved by grace consider it joy to submit to her husband? Yep. Bro hardly. Just His Word. Really.
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Seems to me, that there is a lot of pickin and a choosin over what Bible verse is true and what is not.
Besides why should a woman cover her head when she's at a rock concert, which is suppose to pass for worship
Question: Having men only as pastors just a cultural thing? It's a "cultural thing" in Christ's church. 1 Timothy 2:12-14, "But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being quite deceived, fell into transgression." And that is how Zero got elected. So then you ask, what about the men who voted for Zero (like piddler, djs, jell0, gayghost, leeroy, northman..).? And He said, In the latter days the men will become as women.  You do remember about the latter days, right? Thats when evil has become good and good evil. 
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Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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Seems to me, that there is a lot of pickin and a choosin over what Bible verse is true and what is not.
Besides why should a woman cover her head when she's at a rock concert, which is suppose to pass for worship
Question: Having men only as pastors just a cultural thing? Yep because the difference between men & women that God is directing us toward in that rule is woven into our natures as men & women. It isn’t cultural. A woman’s submission can take different forms (such as head covering in Corinth) but no woman can submit while fulfilling the role of overseer. You do know that the same word that tells a woman to submit to her husband,also tells the husband to submit to his wife don't you?
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If it’s in the Bible God cares about it. The question here is context... cultural context.
In that culture submission of the wife to the husband was expressed via the outward form of headcovering.
Does God care about womens’ headcoverings in our culture? No.
Does He care about submission of wives to husbands (and husbands to Christ ala Eph 5)? Yep.
Will such submission get a woman to heaven? No!!!!!!!!
Will a woman saved by grace consider it joy to submit to her husband? Yep. Bro hardly. Just His Word. Really. Truth. I do think His word gives a pretty good glimpse into His mind, which would lead to doing His will. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall. enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
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Ecc 10:2
The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but that of a fool to the left.
A Nation which leaves God behind is soon left behind.
"The Lord never asked anyone to be a tax collector, lowyer, or Redskins fan".
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Seems to me, that there is a lot of pickin and a choosin over what Bible verse is true and what is not.
Besides why should a woman cover her head when she's at a rock concert, which is suppose to pass for worship
Question: Having men only as pastors just a cultural thing? Yep because the difference between men & women that God is directing us toward in that rule is woven into our natures as men & women. It isn’t cultural. A woman’s submission can take different forms (such as head covering in Corinth) but no woman can submit while fulfilling the role of overseer. You do know that the same word that tells a woman to submit to her husband,also tells the husband to submit to his wife don't you? Yep; in a sense. Read Eph 5. He says wives submit to their husbands husbands submit to Christ. Do you think that if a man submits to Christ He is going to be a great husband?
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