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https://federalnewsradio.com/your-m...ic-private-pay-gap-at-widest-margin-yet/Government employees also work fewer hours than private employees and have always had better benefits. The pay gap has been there for decades, not years. But the lie lives on.
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You are being sarcastic, I hope. There in Clayton County they have about a dozen substations. There is one, out in the country in a nice neighborhood, where they average one call every 3 days. That is where old guys waiting for retirement go because the young bucks want action! Lorne spent his last 5 years at that substation, every 24 hour shift there was one chance in three you would run a call, and a good chance that call was a dumpster fire, or a seizure. Yes, we know that firemen risk their lives every day, these firemen were at risk of being bored to death.
This guy is speaking the truth about Clayton Co. Not too many high rises on Tara Blvd to catch fire.
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The government has not been of the people, et al, for at least 50 years, so yes, I was talking decades not years.
We may know the time Ben Carson lied, but does anyone know the time Hillary Clinton told the truth?
Immersing oneself in progressive lieberalism is no different than bathing in the sewage of Hell.
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I'm surprised that no Kalifornia cities are mentioned. Heck, the state is deeply in debt. E
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Speaking of government retirement plans, several years ago I was listening to the Mike Rosen radio show here in Denver and the discussion was about PERA, the Colorado Public Employees Retirement Association. A guy calls the show saying he is an investment adviser, and has a client that is a retired school teacher. The caller said that upon the schoolteachers death, her 5 yo nephew was to get her $50k per year PERA retirement, for his life!
This quote is from PERA's website "As a PERA retiree, you will receive a lifetime monthly benefit payment. You can also choose a benefit option that will continue to pay a person of your choice following your death. The person receiving the continuing benefit is called your cobeneficiary."
How many, if any, of you in the private sector have that kind of a plan? Is it any wonder that States/Cities are going broke?
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Surprised that New Orleans didn't make the list.
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My buddy Lorne was a paramedic firefighter in Clayton County, Georgia. S. side of Atlanta. Retired in 2005, at age 55, he put in 30 years. Firefighters in Clayton county went union thirty years ago, largely to get a sweetheart pension.
What they worked out was, the firefighter gets 100 PERCENT of his pay for the pension. This is bad enough, as in private industry, a person would be lucky to get 33 percent. But, the pension was 100 percent of the average pay, of the last 3 years the guy worked. This is the big scam that the unions pulled. So, when Lorne had 27 years in, he lived up in N. Georgia near the N. Carolina line. He had a 2 hour commute to work, not too bad because he only worked every 3rd day. But, at that time, he bought a house in Clayton County. So, he would drive down and work his regular shift. Then, a guy called in sick, he would volunteer for the overtime shift, knowing that every overtime he worked, he would continue to be paid for the rest of his life. So, he would work a 48, then lay around his new house for a day, then work a 24, then go home to N. Georgia for 2 days. Also was renting out his spare bedroom to another firefighter who was working the same scam.
So, in his last year of work Lorne was getting about $51K in pay which was pretty good for Georgia at that time. But, he piled in $14K a year, in those last 3 years, so that his pension is $65K a year for life. In the real world, private industry, he would have had to have had some executive job making $200K to get a pension like that, IF he was lucky because most executive jobs have gone over to 401K. And he got very good medical for his wife and himself, $70 a month for the rest of his life. His wife was 58 and already had had back surgery, making her virtually uninsurable on the open market. I mean she could have gotten a policy but it would have cost $1100/month.
When Lorne retired, he simply sold the Clayton Co. house.
So, we have this guy living the life of a millionaire, he bought a new big Ford pickup and a nice Airstream, drives out to Idaho and spends the winter out there skiing. Has to lay awake at night to think of ways to spend his money. This is the unholy alliance between government employees and unions. These massive pensions are probably going to drive Clayton County broke. All first responders deserve pensions like his ! Or more . Around here all first responders are volunteer.
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Where’s my counterpart in the private sector? I’m creeping up on 20 years and might not waste my time waiting for age if the pay meets my needs.
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Pension debt is a problem for most cities. Houston isn’t on that list, but there is always something in the paper about the firefighters pension. I think they have free health insurance. They are all will eventually go to a 401 based retirement plan. My oldest son is HPD and they have recognized that the old pension plan was unworkable. That said we will need to move to a plan which pays more for their work and less for their pension.
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OK, how much does a rookie firefighter make in Houston today?
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When a government gets the employee to pay at least 50% of the cost of the pension then it becomes a manageable problem.
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[quote
My oldest son is HPD and they have recognized that the old pension plan was unworkable.
That said we will need to move to a plan which pays more for their work and less for their pension. [/quote]
Pay everybody what the line of work is worth - just like the private sector , want a pension - go ahead and get yourself one just like the rest of us .
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Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
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National firefighter deaths : '''With 69 on-duty firefighter deaths in 2016, the annual total continued below average, with fewer than 70 deaths a year in five of the past six years.''' OSHA numbers on construction workers killed per year - over 1,000 , over 2,000 crippled/paralyzed each year . So glad I get to pay for firefighters pensions , I think I'll call the fire department and wake them up and tell them so . I bought a new Mattress about six month ago , place had used mattresses ? I asked how do you come up with these out of curiousity - firemen he said . I laughed and said they have to be worn out - all they do is lay around and sleep . He said yeah but they get new mattresses every six months .
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PRESIDENT TRUMP 2024/2028 !!!!!!!!!!
Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.
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it's a labor market where ever and for whom ever we work: for others such as individuals, companies, gov't or for ourselves.
we are free to choose for whom we wish to sell our services. to the highest bidder say i.
gov't can fugg things up. but, we don't have to work for them. higher pay in the private sector almost always.
in rural georgia, at least for a while when the farm economy was on the skids, state gov't built prisons in rural areas, hiring farmers and sweeping up inner-city youth to populate the new prisons. worked like a charm.
as has been stated, gov't overhires as a employer of last resort, offers low pay, and pensions. for those who opt to stay long-term, the pensions can pay off.
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it's a labor market where ever and for whom ever we work: for others such as individuals, companies, gov't or for ourselves.
we are free to choose for whom we wish to sell our services. to the highest bidder say i.
gov't can fugg things up. but, we don't have to work for them. higher pay in the private sector almost always.
in rural georgia, at least for a while when the farm economy was on the skids, state gov't built prisons in rural areas, hiring farmers and sweeping up inner-city youth to populate the new prisons. worked like a charm.
as has been stated, gov't overhires as a employer of last resort, offers low pay, and pensions. for those who opt to stay long-term, the pensions can pay off. My brother is a high school history teacher. He makes 60k per year and gets a pension when he retires. Every so often he bitches he doesn't get paid enough. I tell him to look around as he's free to get a job in the private sector any time. He's looked. Can't find anything around here that would pay as much or come close to matching the vacation and retirement benny's.
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it's a labor market where ever and for whom ever we work: for others such as individuals, companies, gov't or for ourselves.
we are free to choose for whom we wish to sell our services. to the highest bidder say i.
gov't can fugg things up. but, we don't have to work for them. higher pay in the private sector almost always.
in rural georgia, at least for a while when the farm economy was on the skids, state gov't built prisons in rural areas, hiring farmers and sweeping up inner-city youth to populate the new prisons. worked like a charm.
as has been stated, gov't overhires as a employer of last resort, offers low pay, and pensions. for those who opt to stay long-term, the pensions can pay off. My brother is a high school history teacher. He makes 60k per year and gets a pension when he retires. Every so often he bitches he doesn't get paid enough. I tell him to look around as he's free to get a job in the private sector any time. He's looked. Can't find anything around here that would pay as much or come close to matching the vacation and retirement benny's. well, there we have it in spades. we pick & choose, make our decisions, and then live with the results. sometimes quite unhappily. it's the market place with all of it's imbalances and strengths & weaknesses. we can get off the roller coaster at any time, and board another one. we only have one life to live. make the best of it is my comment. i wouldn't & couldn't teach. lot's of folks can & do, for better or worse. i couldn't do police or fireman work either. but, we still have choices to make. guess right or guess wrong, and finish the race.
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60k is damn good money for a part time job.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson
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60k is damn good money for a part time job. That's what I tell him. It really pisses him off but the FACT IS he works about 2/3 as many hours per year as he would at most private sector jobs around here and makes over 50% more than the average private sector worker in this County. The vast majority of those private sector workers don't get a pension either.
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It pisses the teachers off here as well but it is the truth. Every holiday, including ones that private sector never gets, week off in February, week off in April, out for the summer by early June, back after Labor day, week off in December. The average teacher here retires at age 57.
Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson
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