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If I was forced to shoot an elk sized animal with my daughter's .243, there is no doubt in this world, I would take the 80 gr ttsx she currently shoots.
That bullet has a low S.D. For a big animal like an elk, I'd go heavier. I know, monos perform better fast and going light helps with velocity. For elk, I'd go as heavy as my .243 twist would allow. I'd be concerned about penetration. Low S.D. bullets may lose their mojo before penetrating deep enough. WT's and hogs, the 80 should do OK at .243 speeds. For me, that bullet sorta wimped out at .240 speeds on a WT doe. In that case, low S.D. and hypervelocity didn't mix very well. Seems to me terminal performance can be a balancing act. DF
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Nah...
I'd take a partition over any Barnes all day long, even with a crappy BC... +1 all day long.
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I've had four 7mm-08 rifles over the years and have killed a few elk, deer and antelope with it. Two bison as well. It works pretty good.
I don't like a heavy gun when I'm in the mountains. The 7mm-08 has been a good compromise. So for me it's looking at the whole package and then making the choice that's best for you.
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Bull went 20-30 yards, blowing chunks of lung out his nose.
I was pretty impressed with the performance.
68 yards, 140 Partition, one step forward, one step back, tipped over dead. But 30 yards is good too. P
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On an elk it's always about penetration.. Assuming your talking complete pass through? All my shortest tracking jobs on elk have been shots which the bullet did not pass through. Average distance after being hit 20yds. Sure you can't have a ballistic tip or the like explode on the surface and expect a freezer full but [bleep] pressed up against the hide on the other side does not go very far IME.
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Partitions just simply work. 140 gr Partition .461 BC 2800 fps 1800 fps min for full expansion Sight zero: 350 yds 3100 elevation Billings, MT 59 degrees F 100 - +5.7 200 – +7.9 inch 350 – 0 400 - -(6) 450 - -(13.9) 500 - -(23.9) 500 – 1986 fps / 1226 ft lbs Go grab a box of federal premium with 140 Partitions, and sight her in at +5.7 in high @ 100 yds, and enjoy your hunt. At 350 zero, you won’t have to worry about bullet drop until 450 and you’re good to 500 yds for full expansion. https://www.sportsmansguide.com/pro...emington-np-140-grain-20-rounds?a=148333Edit: Go use the Hornady online ballistic calc to determine your proper height at 100 for a 350 zero at the elevation, temp and humidity conditions you'll be shooting at when you sight it in, and then set the calc up for hunting elev, temp conditions to get your drop at 450 and 500 yds for hunting conditions. https://www.hornady.com/team-hornady/ballistic-calculators/#!/
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I like the Nosler Partition. I just ordered some 160gr NP loads for my 7mm. But your numbers are off, as the B.C. of the 140gr NP is 0.434: https://www.nosler.com/partition-bullet/ -- not 0.461
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But 30 yards is good too.
P 30 yards is BETTER..... as long as it’s 30 yards closer to the truck.... laffin Loaded with a premium 140/150 grain bullet.... the 7/08 pretty good elk medicine.
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I will echo what some have said. I have been on a fair number of elk hunts, not nearly as many as some on here but still quite a few. What I'm carrying for a chambering is usually a non issue, just finding them is the main thing. Your main concern should be how capable your legs and heart are before you step foot on the mountain. Don't get me wrong, I like to discuss guns and bullets as much as most, but in reality as long as it is a reasonable chambering and you are able to shoot it reasonably well that is a box you can check off your list of things to do before your hunt. I'm going to Idaho in October and my main focus is hike, run, lift and eat right. I'm in the gym 3 maybe 4 times a week, I'm out with my pack 3 days a week and trying to run at least once( would be more if my knee would quit being a jerk). Not bragging, but on hunts where I was not prepared physically I did not enjoy them nearly as much as when I could be as mobile as I wanted. My 2cents.
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Edit: But to address the original question, 140 accubond/partition driven 2800fps or there abouts will deliver dead elk with zero issues. Now get to work.
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Just about any reasonable bullet with any reasonable cal will work if an elk is shot broadside thru the lungs. What I have seen over the years is when an elk is only partiality visible thru trees or other vegetation. You may only have a short time to make a shot from a very angled position. Your bullet will have to penetrate massive muscle & bones in order to make a killing shot. I have observed this type of situation many times with hunters over the years. Me & my family members have also had to make shots like this. You may only have one chance to put the elk down. If your bullet does not penetrate sufficiently in heavier cover you may not have an opportunity for a follow up shot. It is easy to have a wounded & lost animal.. When presented with this type of shot I want the most dependable toughest deep penetrating bullet available.. I consider C&C bullets that may work fine on a broadside rib cage shot totally unsuitable for these difficult angled shots & generally unsuitable for elk. This is not a 125lb deer but a 500 to 700lb's in a mature animal.. Any one who has processed an elk in the field knows their hide is considerably thicker & tougher than any deer. You will always hear about & see pictures of elk some one took with their C&C deer bullet but will never hear about animals wounded & lost. I have observer literately thousands of hunters over the years at site in days at the local range. I can't believe at how many out of state hunters will pay $$$$$ for their hunt & then skimp on the ammo they use. Most of these hunters have never even touched their rifles since last hunting season. From what I have seen the truly knowledgeable informed hunter capable of accurately placing a shot in the field is in the small minority. This Barnes 6.5 130gr TSX struck a rib far back & then traveled a good 3ft stopping 12 to 14inches up the neck. It still weights 129.8grs. It expanded to almost 60 cal & as you see the sharp pedals were exposed to to do sever cutting. This bullet was launched from a Savage rifle in 260 Rem at about 2800fps.The range was about 185yds. Regardless of the cartridge you use this type of bullet is what me & my family use for elk. There are always easy shots presented but there are the tough shots you will encounter if you hunt regular.
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If the hunter hasn't touched his rifle since last season and is not capable of placing a shot well I don't think having a better penetrating bullet is going to help. I agree with mitchellmountain.
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But 30 yards is good too.
P 30 yards is BETTER..... as long as it’s 30 yards closer to the truck.... laffin Loaded with a premium 140/150 grain bullet.... the 7/08 pretty good elk medicine. The best part, my nephew (then 22) was along on his first hunt, so he dropped the guts. I did most of the skinning, and my brother broke the bull down. My dad took pictures. Easiest processing job ever. P
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But 30 yards is good too.
P 30 yards is BETTER..... as long as it’s 30 yards closer to the truck.... laffin Loaded with a premium 140/150 grain bullet.... the 7/08 pretty good elk medicine. The best part, my nephew (then 22) was along on his first hunt, so he dropped the guts. I did most of the skinning, and my brother broke the bull down. My dad took pictures. Easiest processing job ever. P Sounds damn near perfect to me...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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The best part, my nephew (then 22) was along on his first hunt, so he dropped the guts. I did most of the skinning, and my brother broke the bull down. My dad took pictures. Easiest processing job ever. P Sounds damn near perfect to me... I can top that as far as "easy." One season I killed a cow about 300 yards from camp. I was hunting with two other guys, one was a large animal veterinarian. They heard the shot and came over, before I could even start Pat the vet said "get out of the way, I do this for a living." And after the meat was cut up, we loaded it on his goats for the pack out. Damn I miss those guys!
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Mm hit on a more important factor than rifle/cartridge and is spot on. I tell guys, especially newbies, there is no such thing as being over prepared with your physical conditioning. I point people to the West Elk Wilderness. I've been in that canyon and it will test your physical conditioning I dont care how physically fit a person is. I've been in areas down in there where I could reach out and touch the ground in front of me. It is as steep as anything I've ever been in, on, over, or around. It sucks. But the elks love it.
You guys are going to cost me money buying a 7mm-08.........
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Excellent point. The fact that I live here at 7630' elevation I take it for granted & I tend to forget the challenge it is for others. . I have seen out of state hunters heave their guts out after just barely starting a mourning hunt. It is a considerable disadvantage coming here from a lower like close to sea level elevation.
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Yeah, it was late, and I was hurrying looking through my Nosler No.3 book. .461 was 140 gr Solid Base. .434 is Partition. Thanks for catching it. Corrected info below: 140 gr Partition .434 BC 2800 fps 1800 fps min for full expansion Sight zero: 350 yds Hunting conditions: Billings, MT - 3100 elev 59 degrees F 100 - +5.8 200 – +8 inch 350 – 0 400 - -(6.1) 450 - -(14.3) 500 - -(24.5) 500 – 1941 fps / 1171 ft lbs >>> SIGHT IN COND <<< Sight in conditions: Jackson, MS - 279 elev >>** 90**<< degrees F 100 - +5.9 200 – +8.1 inch 350 – 0 400 - -(6.2) 450 - -(14.5) 500 - -(24.9) 500 – 1912 fps / 1136 ft lbs
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Have you ever considered the Barnes 7mm 150gr TTSX with a BC of .450. It would give a flatter trajectory . Also a faster time of flight making it less vulnerable to wind drift. Just a thought. Would be glad to furnish you with Barnes drop figures if interested.
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Have you ever considered the Barnes 7mm 150gr TTSX with a BC of .450. It would give a flatter trajectory . Also a faster time of flight making it less vulnerable to wind drift. Just a thought. Would be glad to furnish you with Barnes drop figures if interested. The difference between a 140gr (.434 BC) and 150gr (.456 BC) Partition at Five Hundred Yards (500 yds) 2800 muzzle is .01/sec Time of Flight, 1.5 inch 10 MPH Wind Drift, and 1.1 inch bullet drop. That Barnes, I’m sure, falls somewhere close around there, so… To tell you the truth, I really don’t sit around pondering over .01/sec difference or 1.5 inch drift or drop @ 500 when the Partition has been pretty kind to me on the dance floor, since the 1990’s, with all 300+ score Bulls (self-guided) out to a quarter of a mile with one shot DRT kills. My batting average is .667 I think I’ll keep swinging a Partition bat even though it’s all about putting a round elongated chunk of metal in the boiler room ultimately, no matter the brand or weight, and I really don’t feel like disassembling my hand loads to gain .01/sec - .05/sec when I can spend that time enjoying reading on here about other outdoorsman’s adventures.
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