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WOW!!!! I see my thread got derailed yesterday while I was away. I may be new to elk hunting, but I'm not new to shooting past 100 yards. I can assure you I'm not sighting my rifle in 6" high at 100. If I have time to use my range finder, I have time to dial or better yet, pick a hash mark. Out to 400 or a little more, I can simply use hold-over. It's not that hard to estimate 18 or 20 inches when you know the approx. size of your target. I've done it on deer many times and an elk is twice as big. I'm not gonna shoot at an animal past 300ish that I haven't ranged or otherwise know the distance. I have too much respect for the game to just shoot at anything I see and hope my rifle trajectory is "flat enough" to make a hit. I can only assume that the reason for using that method is based on not ranging and not knowing the distance. Which load would you use, assuming I may have to reach out to 400 or beyond? Since everyone was making assumptions about the intent of this statement, I'll clear it up. I was asking about the 7mm-08 performance, retained energy and velocity at 400 and beyond for the 2 bullets I was considering. It had nothing to do with how to make a shot at that range. I assume if my bullet will perform at 400, it will be fine for closer range. And for the record, I hope I get a 40 yard shot, but I know I need to be prepared for 400. You sound like you have it under control and know what you are talking about. You'll do just fine with that 7mm08. I have faith, whether it is 40 or 400 yards, you'll make sound judgment. Sounds like you already know this, but most elk are shot well within 100 yards and I'm thinking you are smart enough to NOT shoot at moving elk in the trees at 400 yards. I wish you good luck on your hunt and hope you get a good one with that 7mm08...
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style. You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole. BSA MAGA
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See, the thing about vanilla ice cream is, it serves as the perfect base. You can add chocolate sauce, caramel, or even hot fudge. Try that with chocolate ice cream and it’s too much chocolate.
P There’s no such thing as too much chocolate.
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"There’s no such thing as too much chocolate."
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Too much gun? Too much cowbell??
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I know for a "fact" that there are "Three" things a man can never have enough of...(1) Grandbabies.....(2) ammo....(3) coffee!
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you know what I think, no one has said anything about the creedmoore!
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you know what I think, no one has said anything about the creedmoore! Congratulations, you just became “that guy.” P
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The CBHS has him so bad he self referenced.
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you know what I think, no one has said anything about the creedmoore! Congratulations, you just became “that guy.” P sh*t
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you know what I think, no one has said anything about the creedmoore! Congratulations, you just became “that guy.” P sh*t You might as well spew your love for the 6 and 6.5 now that you’re outed!
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my 6.5 is the swede king of 6.5's
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you know what I think, no one has said anything about the creedmoore! Congratulations, you just became “that guy.” P sh*t You might as well spew your love for the 6 and 6.5 now that you’re outed! 270 WSM...The closet door opened 😎
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My favorite part is him sighting in his rifle 6" high at 100yds for a 200yd zero and holding dead on an elk from 400-500yds. too funny...
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I shot this cow elk at 53 yards with a 7mm-08. Thats a dandy cow! Congrats!
Your Every Liberal vote promotes Socialism and is an attack on the Second Amendment. You will suffer the consequences.
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Your Every Liberal vote promotes Socialism and is an attack on the Second Amendment. You will suffer the consequences.
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COW ELK KILL ZONE
TOP OF BACK ********************************* 1” 2” 3” 4” 5” 6” – TOP OF BOILER ROOM 7” 8” – ONE THIRD (1/3) FROM TOP OF BACK 9” 10” 11” 12” – MIDDLE OF BOILER ROOM 13” 14” 15” 16” – TWO THIRDS (2/3) FROM TOP OF BACK 17” 18” – BOTTOM OF BOILER ROOM 19” 20” 21” 22” 23” 24” – BOTTOM OF CHEST CAVITY ********************************* 140 gr Partition .434 BC 2900 fps – OP said just under 2900 fps 1800 fps min for full expansion Sight zero: 350 yds
7,000 – minimum Elk Hunting 59 degrees F
100 - +5.1 200 – +7.1 inch 300 - +3.8 350 – 0 400 - -(5.4) 450 - -(12.4) 500 - -(21.3)
500 – 2132 fps / 1413 ft lbs
Corrected ballistics. OP stated just under 2900 fps with 140g, and “realistic” Elk hunting will start around 7,000 elev.
So…don’t laugh, 5.1” high at 100 yds with a 350 yrd zero.
So what you guys, who attempted to bust my balls, are saying is you are 100% incapable of being a true marksman, being tens of thousands of hunters for years have done what I will simply state below using the above diagram for reference without having to adjust their scopes:
A 100 yard shot would require just placing the crosshairs at the two thirds mark (1/3 up from the bottom of the belly), for a dead center boiler room DRT kill.
A 200 yard shot would require just placing the crosshairs at the BOTTOM OF BOILER ROOM, (6” FROM BOTTOM OF BELLY) for a dead center boiler room DRT kill.
A 300 yard shot would require just placing the crosshairs in the middle of the body for a dead center boiler room DRT kill.
A 400 yard shot would require just placing the crosshairs at the ONE THIRD (1/3) mark down from the TOP OF BACK for a dead center boiler room DRT kill.
A 450 yard shot would require just placing the crosshairs at the TOP OF BACK for a dead center boiler room DRT kill.
A 500 yard shot would require just placing the crosshairs HALF A BODY HEIGHT ABOVE BACK for a dead center boiler room DRT kill.
Instead, you continually obfuscated my statements with lies about shooting at a walking animal, which I never said.
Instead, you continually obfuscated my statements with lies about making a rushed shot, which I never said.
Instead, you continually obfuscated my statements with lies, and lost the debate here, because you were never able to refute the facts I posted above, knowing how to shoot a rifle at different yardages with a certain zero.
Instead, some of you posted very irresponsible hunting actions such as taking extremely high risk shots, where the animal could be wounded, with no chance of a follow-up shot, shooting through a very small opening in heavy cover. That right there is why hunters are required to wear orange…to hopefully not get shot by someone who can not see their target or what is behind it.
Then you have the one who calls them self a “guide” and talks about only seeing a part of the animal, the top half or the head, etc. Gee, if you are really a “guide”, how come your “guide” skills won’t allow you to position yourself better for a responsible humane kill shot, instead of wounding the animal where they can go for miles?
But listen, thanks for the laughs, especially from smokepole who never even answered the OP’s question the first 7 pages while building his post count on this forum to make him self look real important. Sticking his foot in his mouth while butting in, and answering posts not even addressed to him, multiple times, shows the educated people, who read, who is who, who are fakes, and who know what they are talking about. It was fun.
P.S. Just add a little sauce to the above while some of you eat crow. It’ll taste better.
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I'm getting the popcorn ready......
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...calls himself a “guide”...
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Thank you for coming back...You’re really smart 🤓😎
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