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I think 6.5 creedmoor cant be called a fad cartidge anymore because it seems like its killing off the 708 rem. Maybe even the 243.
I've noticed my cabelas ads come and the short action guns are in 6.5 or 308 only. no 243, 260, or 708 listed.
I've also noticed the 6.5 creed ammo is selling near 308 price at the store while my 7mm08 ammo is much higher..
That amazes me. I cant get behind it being a elk or bear cartridge, but its a very capable deer round that seems to be killing the 243 and 7mm08.
Heck... I'm kind of in the market for a 243, but I'm toying with a creed. Its just too close to my 7mm08 and 308 though.
Your thoughts gentlemen? Did the marketing machines get this one right?
(my apologies if this has been discussed before)
Other than that, How was the show Mrs. Lincoln?
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Interest in the chambering has resulted in sales volumes which justify lower pricing of Creedmoor ammo, much like the .308win. The dual-role nature, spanning the tactical and medium-game crowds allows it to have a substantial market share. The 7mm-08 is a fine round, one of my favorites for hunting, but it is currently overshadowed by the Creedmoor when it comes to rifle/ammo availability and demand.
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The 7-08 is a great round, so is the Creed.
I have them both, like them both.
The Creed won't replace the 7-08; it's here to stay.
Target shooters do dominate to some extent, the popularity of these rounds.
Hunters may be taking a back seat in that regard, but are still a significant market force.
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Who GAF? Use what you like, and don't panic over the market. Rifles are maybe the ultimate in durable goods, and it's possible to feed almost anything these days by hook or crook. Why there has to be almost daily debate over the various cartridges with the attendant butthurt over ones their fans feel are being neglected or disrespected baffles me. Buck up girls; it's gonna be okay, I promise.
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So what you're saying is that if I like my 270, I can keep my 270?
The onset of Creeditus reminds me of when the rich kids got to use playing cards in the spokes of their wheels and us poor kids were stuck with old baseball cards.
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I have both, 7mm-08 ain’t going nowhere!
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Not killing them in my house - I currently ONLY have 4 7MM-08's!! Should have another sometime next year. Had a 6.5 Creed Tikka and sold it.
"Rather hunt Mule deer than anything else" "Team 7MM-08"
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From a hunting standpoint, the 7mm-08 really has my attention these days with the 120's, as we are getting 3,100+ in an 18" carbine with CFE223. Big Game also is impressive.
Sighted in with a 225yd zero (120 TTSX), 100yd point of impact is only 2" high, and the 300yd impact is 5" low. That will do 90% of what I need a rifle to do these days, and not punish my shoulder while doing it. Compact/handy rifle too.
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The dirtiest 7-08 trick is/was 162 Amax....
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I cant get behind it being a elk or bear cartridge,
Your thoughts gentlemen? Did the marketing machines get this one right?
(my apologies if this has been discussed before) Elk? Yeah, Too Powerful, the...weaker 6.5x47 has taken elk just under 1,000 Yards........ Bear? Right bullet, no problem, I would not hesitate on Black bear, with good bullets. 90% of hunters use rounds that have more power and reach than what is needed on 90% of shots. The 6.5 was never designed for dangerous game or extremely large game, but I would use it on anything in NA shy of the large bears, using Good bullets and placement. Hunters can use what makes them happy, odds are the round chosen will not be the weak link
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It is mostly where you hit them as it has always been long before we ever heard of the 7mm-08 and the Creed. Guys have been comparing cartridges since the beginning. My .......... is better than your ....... Fill in the blank and here we go, hold on for dear life!!!
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The onset of Creeditus reminds me of when the rich kids got to use playing cards in the spokes of their wheels and us poor kids were stuck with old baseball cards. I had no idea who Honus Wagner was anyway.
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The dirtiest 7-08 trick is/was 162 Amax.... Using those in my Montana. While it won't replace the 7-08, I don't know if I'd go 7-08 from scratch as the 6.5 would do just about anything/everything I'll ever ask the 7-08 to do as well. That said - bullets matter more and the 162 has been pretty wicked for me. I'm still sitting on several hundred I think.
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Heck, go get yourself a 257 Weatherby and sight it in at 2 1/2”-3” high @ 100yds and call it a day! You’ll then have a rifle you can hold dead on out to darn near 400yds. You won’t even care about the Creedmoor or 7-08 anymore.
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I doubt it will effect the sales of the 7-08 much at all.
The 243 and the 260 Remington..........yeah probably. Of the 2, the 260 is going to have the hardest time competing in the market place because there is so much emphasis from the marketeers to sell the 6.5CM and the truth is that it's close enough in performance and lacks no accuracy at all, so the 260 may be fading, and loosing ground soon.
Speaking for myself, I like the 26 caliber better overall then I do the 24 caliber.
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Speaking for myself, I like the 26 caliber better overall then I do the 24 caliber.
Me too. One .24, a .240 Wby. Four .26's, Creed, Swede, 6.5-284 and Nosler. To me, that's about the right ratio. DF
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The standard for short action cartridges has been 243, 7-08 & 308. Some manufacturers like Bergara have gone 243, 6.5 Creedmoor, and 308. Every short action is being offered in 6.5 Creedmoor now. It's taking market share from all 3 but it competes most directly with the 7mm-08. In factory ammo, they are both shooting 140 grain bullets which places them in direct competition.
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I don't think the 243 is in any trouble.
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It will slow down sales a bit of the 7-08.
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