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I consider myself a conservative libertarian in the sense that the two-dimensional political spectrum dictates that you have either libertarian sensibilities or totalitarian tendencies. When I use the word with a lower-case "L," I am speaking of a philosophy---not a political party.
As far as I am concerned, being Libertarian (and I am speaking of the political party, hence the upper-case "L") just indicates the desire to be a contrarian because it makes those who think like that feel superior. The inability to grasp the incontrovertible FACT that we have a two-party system that's going nowhere, and deal with it in such a way as to get at least as much as possible done just shows childishness in my opinion.
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Libertarians are pro pot, and anti-borders. Sorry, can't get on board with that, but it sure sounds neat when you have a name for yourself even if it's not correct lol.
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I was not aware that the upper-case "L" Libertarian Party endorses open borders. When did that come down?
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They are pro open borders but not if none of the current problems are solved.
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I was not aware that the upper-case "L" Libertarian Party endorses open borders. When did that come down? Major plank in their platform. They would sacrifice our sovereignty on the altar of their feel good give everyone a hand job sing kumbaya bullchit.
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I was not aware that the upper-case "L" Libertarian Party endorses open borders. When did that come down? It didn't, at least from the true party. True conservative Libertarian it about small limited government, fundamental constitutionalism, including the 4th. Marriage, drugs, religion, are the responsibility of the people. ATF, FDA, DEA, etc would all be gone, You just can't and shouldn't regulate morality. You shouldn't take from one and give to another without permission. The government should be limited to the powers given in the constitution and no more. Socialism, the war on drugs, etc are a no win proposition. The Fed reserve is a shell game, and will be a disaster at some point. Drugs are dumb, but I shouldn't jail you for making poor choices because they are your choices you have to live with. Personal freedom with personal responsibility. No more welfare. We have been a socialist nation since the 30's, and t's coming to a end soon.
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I was not aware that the upper-case "L" Libertarian Party endorses open borders. When did that come down? It didn't, at least from the true party. True conservative Libertarian it about small limited government, fundamental constitutionalism, including the 4th. Marriage, drugs, religion, are the responsibility of the people. ATF, FDA, DEA, etc would all be gone, You just can't and shouldn't regulate morality. You shouldn't take from one and give to another without permission. The government should be limited to the powers given in the constitution and no more. Socialism, the war on drugs, etc are a no win proposition. The Fed reserve is a shell game, and will be a disaster at some point. Drugs are dumb, but I shouldn't jail you for making poor choices because they are your choices you have to live with. Personal freedom with personal responsibility. No more welfare. We have been a socialist nation since the 30's, and t's coming to a end soon. I am not sure what you mean by "true party." You're describing a philosophy (which I largely adhere to), not a party. I agree with almost all of that---at least until you start talking about legislating morality. That can be a pretty damned broad idea and really defines nothing. Take the abortion issue as an example. Some would argue that it's a morality issue and should not be a subject of legislation. Others---myself included, would argue that it is not a private issue at all because TWO lives are involved. What we have is a two-party system. It ain't changing anytime soon. Instead of playing the holier-than-thou games, Libertarians ought to be helping to shape the republican party and not wasting their energy on doing whatever it takes to feel superior and giving the country away to the marxists.
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I was not aware that the upper-case "L" Libertarian Party endorses open borders. When did that come down? Major plank in their platform. They would sacrifice our sovereignty on the altar of their feel good give everyone a hand job sing kumbaya bullchit. I sure would like to see a link if you know of one.
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I was not aware that the upper-case "L" Libertarian Party endorses open borders. When did that come down? It didn't, at least from the true party. True conservative Libertarian it about small limited government, fundamental constitutionalism, including the 4th. Marriage, drugs, religion, are the responsibility of the people. ATF, FDA, DEA, etc would all be gone, You just can't and shouldn't regulate morality. You shouldn't take from one and give to another without permission. The government should be limited to the powers given in the constitution and no more. Socialism, the war on drugs, etc are a no win proposition. The Fed reserve is a shell game, and will be a disaster at some point. Drugs are dumb, but I shouldn't jail you for making poor choices because they are your choices you have to live with. Personal freedom with personal responsibility. No more welfare. We have been a socialist nation since the 30's, and t's coming to a end soon. I am not sure what you mean by "true party." You're describing a philosophy (which I largely adhere to), not a party. I agree with almost all of that---at least until you start talking about legislating morality. That can be a pretty damned broad idea and really defines nothing. Take the abortion issue as an example. Some would argue that it's a morality issue and should not be a subject of legislation. Others---myself included, would argue that it is not a private issue at all because TWO lives are involved. What we have is a two-party system. It ain't changing anytime soon. Instead of playing the holier-than-thou games, Libertarians ought to be helping to shape the republican party and not wasting their energy on doing whatever it takes to feel superior and giving the country away to the marxists. Anyone who doesn't follow the philosophy is just a phony. The green party morons have sorta muked things up, Ron Paul is only one who made a decent run.
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I'm a conservative-Constitutionalist. Don't remember ever voting for any Democrat except one and that was 50 years ago. E.L Bob Bartlett was a true Statesman. I voted early today, did not vote any different than I have voted in the last many years. I think that JFK would have been a Republican if he had seen what the Dem's have evolved into.
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I was not aware that the upper-case "L" Libertarian Party endorses open borders. When did that come down? Major plank in their platform. They would sacrifice our sovereignty on the altar of their feel good give everyone a hand job sing kumbaya bullchit. I sure would like to see a link if you know of one. I will oblige as time allows.
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Good idea varmintguy...berate the only true freedom supporting party. Good thinking. Yeah, no schit. The only difference between democraps and repugs is the manner in which they wish to control you.
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Good idea varmintguy...berate the only true freedom supporting party. Good thinking. Yeah, no schit. The only difference between democraps and repugs is the manner in which they wish to control you. This man gets it. And if I ever run into Rick Brekenridge, I'll buy him a beer for what he is doing. That was a stand up move.
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Instead of standing over there in the corner by yourselves feeling superior, I wish you guys would pitch in with an effort that can actually win and improve a party that can actually win while you're at it. I guess that's not possible when all that matters is being better than everyone else, somehow. 
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Wow! A misreported news story turns into Libertarian bashing. Oh wait, it is the Campfire after all. I don’t hold to all the tenets of a Libertarian, but if you did know Rick Breckenridge, you would be surprised at how intelligent he really is and again for the record, he didn’t pull out of the Senate race in support of Rosendale...
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