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You take that scripture out of context. Who do you think you're talking to here?

I was born into a fallen condition. That has since been addressed.

So you, Starman...you seem to know. Do you choose to remain in fallen status?


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Originally Posted by Idaho_Shooter
[quote=Gus]

Why must we have a purpose? O have knowledge of a purpose?

Does the earthworm know its purpose on Earth, or the trout, or the cow, or even the wolf pack? They know hunger and satiation, and the drive to reproduce. Very similar to the vast majority of humans, it appears.

I exist, therefore I must eat, and have a warm place to sleep. I have reproduced, therefore I must care for my young.

Is there really anything else to know?



Yes, this. We have a very important purpose and that is to worship our God that has been revealed to us through the:

Physical Universe:
- The laws and nature of the physical universe displaying God's attributes of existence, knowledge, wisdom, power, order, greatness, supremacy, righteousness, and goodness.

Human Conscience:
- God has instilled the innate ability in all persons to discern the difference between right and wrong, to choose and act on that discernment and judgment according to free will and conscience, and to experience guilt when the act or choice is wrong. One of the arguments for the existence of God is based on the moral sense in humans.

Providence:
- the sustaining power of God.

This is understood to be “general revelation” that should be aware of God in our daily experience and choose not to ignore.

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Originally Posted by RiverRider
You take that scripture out of context. Who do you think you're talking to here?




Who?....Just another one of Gods worms, that deserves nothing more than destruction in Gods eyes.


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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by RiverRider
You take that scripture out of context. Who do you think you're talking to here?




Who?....Just another one of Gods worms, that deserves nothing more than destruction in Gods eyes.



What I deserve and what I get are two different things, Starman. I guess it ain't up to you what I get is it? LOL.


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In other words...

YOU LOSE!
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Originally Posted by RiverRider


What I deserve and what I get are two different things, Starman. I guess it ain't up to you what I get is it? LOL.


What you deserve is a given , What you will get is yet unknown as it still to be decided.

Originally Posted by RiverRider
In other words...

YOU LOSE!
grin


So It was a competition to you?...


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No point is getting into a fight with good folks. I let our old friend John Cash tell one story.


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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by RiverRider


What I deserve and what I get are two different things, Starman. I guess it ain't up to you what I get is it? LOL.


What you deserve is a given , What you will get is yet unknown as it still to be decided.

Originally Posted by RiverRider
In other words...

YOU LOSE!
grin


So It was a competition to you?...



Again: you lie.

Tell me, what do you deserve and what will be your reward?


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Originally Posted by RiverRider

Again: you lie.


I haven't lied, GOD says man is a worm.



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"The average citizen". WTF is that? The kind of person that gets selected for jury duty?


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Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by RiverRider

Again: you lie.


I haven't lied, GOD says man is a worm.



God did not lie, ever. YOU lie.

The scripture you quote is a quote of another man's words.

You overestimate your cleverness.


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Please calm down good folks. Remember we only can boast on the Cross? We need to be more like Christ. We were all non believers once.


May Our Lord help us all. As a good friend on the 'fire says, "We may be the only Bible some people ever read".


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Originally Posted by wabigoon
Please calm down good folks. Remember we only can boast on the Cross? We need to be more like Christ. We were all non believers once.


May Our Lord help us all. As a good friend on the 'fire says, "We may be the only Bible some people ever read".



What, I should not confront a lie and call it what it is? Or a liar, and call him what he is?

Besides, no one is heated up here...at least, not that I can tell. Not that it matters, given the subject matter.


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Originally Posted by RiverRider
Originally Posted by Starman
Originally Posted by RiverRider

Again: you lie.


I haven't lied, GOD says man is a worm.



God did not lie, ever. YOU lie.

The scripture you quote is a quote of another man's words.

You overestimate your cleverness.


RR, I can't say it's proper to call SM a liar regarding his reading of this verse, however, I can't say his reading is very well supported.

Here's some context:

25:1 Then answered Bildad the Shuhite, and said,
25:2 Dominion and fear are with him, he maketh peace in his high places.
25:3 Is there any number of his armies? and upon whom doth not his light arise?
25:4 How then can man be justified with God? or how can he be clean that is born of a woman?
25:5 Behold even to the moon, and it shineth not; yea, the stars are not pure in his sight.
25:6 How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?

As RR mentions, the quote is not by God, and is in the form of a question, not a statement. Additionally, in the following chapter Job proceeds to rebute Bildad's position, so I don't see SM's as a full complete reading of the passages.

SM's position is a straw-man at best, and not a very well constructed one at that.

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Well...if you tell me "I don't believe," and I will never call you a liar.

On the other hand, tell me something that contradicts what I believe by faith that God has told me, and especially about the nature of God Himself, and I'll call you a liar. Every damned time.


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Originally Posted by RiverRider
Well...if you tell me "I don't believe," and I will never call you a liar.

On the other hand, tell me something that contradicts what I believe by faith that God has told me, and especially about the nature of God Himself, and I'll call you a liar. Every damned time.


What can a person not believe solely on the basis of Faith?
The Muslim believes on Faith, does that make his beliefs true?


You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.

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Originally Posted by RiverRider
Well...if you tell me "I don't believe," and I will never call you a liar.

On the other hand, tell me something that contradicts what I believe by faith that God has told me, and especially about the nature of God Himself, and I'll call you a liar. Every damned time.


What can a person not believe solely on the basis of Faith?
The Muslim believes on Faith, does that make his beliefs true?


Whoever would contradict a the muslim's scriptures by distortion would be a liar, by definition. Whether or not those writings are true or not has no bearing.

But, whoever lies about what the God of Israel has said is in league with Satan, the father of lies.


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God calls Jacob a worm, and King David even calls himself a worm.



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25:6 "How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?"

... the quote is not by God, and is in the form of a question, not a statement....


depends which version of Bible..many are making a clear statement, not posing the question.


ASV How much less man, that is a worm! And the son of man, that is a worm!
AMP How much less man, that maggot, And the son of man, that worm!”
AMPC How much less man, who is a maggot! And a son of man, who is a worm!
BRG How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?
CSB how much less a human, who is a maggot, a son of man, who is a worm!
CEB how much less a human, a worm, a person’s child, a grub.
CJB How much less a human, who is merely a maggot, a mortal, who is only a worm?!”
CEV So how can we humans, when we are merely worms?
DARBY How much less man, a worm, and the son of man, a worm!
DRA How much less man that is rottenness and the son of man who is a worm?
ERV People are much less pure. They are like maggots, as worthless as worms!”
ESV how much less man, who is a maggot, and the son of man, who is a worm!”
ESVUK how much less man, who is a maggot, and the son of man, who is a worm!”
EXB People are much less! They are like ·insects [L maggots]. They are only worms!”
GNV How much more man, a worm, even the son of man, which is but a worm?
GW How much less pure is a mortal—who is only a maggot— a descendant of Adam—who is only a worm!”
GNT Then what about a human being, that worm, that insect? What is a human life worth in God's eyes?
HCSB how much less man, who is a maggot, and the son of man, who is a worm!
ICB Man is much less! He is like an insect. He is only a worm!”
ISV How much less is man, who is only a maggot, or a man’s children, who are only worms!”
JUB How much less man, who is as a worm, and the son of man, who is also a worm?
KJV How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?
AKJV How much less man, that is a worm? and the son of man, which is a worm?
LEB How much less for a human being who is a maggot, and a human who is a worm?”
TLB How much less is man, who is but a worm in his sight?”

MEV how much less man, who is a maggot? And the son of man, who is a worm?”
NOG How much less pure is a mortal—who is only a maggot— a descendant of Adam—who is only a worm!”
NABRE How much less a human being, who is but a worm, a mortal, who is only a maggot?
NASB How much less man, that maggot, And the son of man, that worm!”
NCV People are much less! They are like insects. They are only worms!”
NET how much less a mortal man, who is but a maggot— a son of man, who is only a worm!”
NIRV So how about human beings? They are like maggots. How about mere people? They are like worms.”
NIV how much less a mortal, who is but a maggot— a human being, who is only a worm!”
NIVUK how much less a mortal, who is but a maggot – a human being, who is only a worm!’
NKJV How much less man, who is a maggot, And a son of man, who is a worm?”
NLV How much less man, who is a bug, and the son of man, who is a worm!”
NLT In comparison, people are maggots; we mortals are mere worms.”
NRSV how much less a mortal, who is a maggot, and a human being, who is a worm!”
NRSVA how much less a mortal, who is a maggot, and a human being, who is a worm!’
NRSVACE how much less a mortal, who is a maggot, and a human being, who is a worm!’
NRSVCE how much less a mortal, who is a maggot, and a human being, who is a worm!”
OJB How much less enosh, that is a maggot? And the ben adam, which is a tola’at (worm)?
RSV how much less man, who is a maggot, and the son of man, who is a worm!”
RSVCE how much less man, who is a maggot, and the son of man, who is a worm!”
TLV how much less man who is but a maggot— a son of man who is a worm!”
VOICE How much less so a human, who is a mere worm— The offspring of humanity, who is a maggot!
WEB How much less man, who is a worm, the son of man, who is a worm!”
WYC how much more man, that is rot, and the son of a man, that is a worm, is unclean, (and vile,) in comparison to God.
(and so how much more a man, who is but rot, and the son of a man, who is but a worm, be unclean, and vile, when compared to God.)
YLT How much less man -- a grub, And the son of man -- a worm!


Originally Posted by RiverRider


On the other hand, tell me something that contradicts what I believe by faith that God has told me, and especially about the nature of God Himself,
and I'll call you a liar. Every damned time.


evidently many version of Bible don't agree with you, so far you are the only CF christian to openly refute being a worm
in Gods eyes, the best you could do was get support from a devout atheist.



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The best YOU can do is continue to take a verse completely out of context. You have no argument.


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