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Greetings, I have a Rem 700 SA that started life as a 22-250. I am thinking of re-barreling to a 284, but have read 284 can have magazine feeding problems. Will that be a problem with the 700 action?
Thanks for the help
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Feed/function is easy...COAL is not.
What are you hoping to do an WHY the 284?.....................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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i think one of the best ways to a 284 winchester if you have to have one is to buy a 20b forbes rifle and send it back to NULA and have them work it over and re barrel you will have a great stock and a 3inch magazine to help with 284 length issues with longer bullets and it will feed and function great....they have probably built more 284 winchester rifles than anybody else in the last 30 years
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I'd MUCH rather have a turn key Barrett Fieldcraft in 7-08,with it's S/S construction,(5) 8x40 base holes,superior trigger and shorter case length...already wearing 8" RPM for 180 ELD's.
Hint..................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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I agree with Big Stick, ammunition much easier to obtain also.
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Go 7-08. I checked into a SA 284. Even with shorter 140 Berger VLD Hunting, there was really no velocity gain over a 7-08 with a little freebore. I ran it all through Quickload just to see what to expect. I had a 3.00" ULA in 284 and loved it. But no reason nowadays to go with a 284 in a 2.825" platform. Trust me.
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i think one of the best ways to a 284 winchester if you have to have one is to buy a 20b forbes rifle and send it back to NULA and have them work it over and re barrel you will have a great stock and a 3inch magazine to help with 284 length issues with longer bullets and it will feed and function great....they have probably built more 284 winchester rifles than anybody else in the last 30 years My understanding is that Melvin now recommends customers go with a 7-08 over 284 Win. He'll still build them...but there's no reason to go against what Melvin recommends.
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Thanks everyone. I already have a couple 7-08s and just wanted something different. "Rifle looney" as JB says
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If you want a 284 get one. Not everything needs to be cutting edge does it? Still shoots fantastic even with crappy stubby little stumpy bullets.
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Thanks everyone. I already have a couple 7-08s and just wanted something different. "Rifle looney" as JB says Describe the particulars of the 7-08's. Hint.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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You can open up a 700 short action for a Bainey mag box and would be able to run cartridges as long as 3.110. I would say that would be long enough to make it worth while. Feeding is a different issue and can take some time to get perfected.
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You can bolt windshield wipers to a Billy Goat's ass too.
Hint..................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
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COAL will be an issue on the 284 in the SA Rem, but feeding can be taken care of. On my LA 700 I had to remove a bit of materialfrom the stock beside the mag box so it could expand a bit and a bit of playing with the feed lips and it fed like it was designed to. The long action gives you plenty of room for long bullets and playing with seating depths. In fact, my 25-284 barreled action is for sale in the classifieds now.
Bob
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If only the 700 had a magazine that actually let you take advantage of a 308 based cases it's served with. I just sold one that was 0.60 short of letting me touch the rifling from the mag with the little 6.5 creedmoor case and a 140gr A bomb. The 284 has a 1/4" longer case and longer bullets if you're taking advantage of it's capabilitys.
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don't let anybody talk you out of what you want to do, my buddy has a 700 short action that started life as a 308 adl and it is now a 284 win. feeds great no issues and shoots lights out. I have handloaded for this rifle and it spits 140gr nosler accubonds out at 2900fps and the coal is 2.830. it does a fantastic job. if you want a 284 then go for it, it will work. I have some load data if your interested. good luck
rem 700 adl, 22 inch stainless douglas premium barrel, vias brake, bell and carlson stock.
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I had two 25/284's, one 6/284 on Rem short actions, never again. Mag boxes were so short you could not chase the lands. 284 case is long, you could not stuff the bullet down in the case without running into powder pouching the bullet out of the case. These were rifles used to shoot coyotes and rock chucks with, so they ended up being single shot rock chuck rifles.
If you are going to shoot a fast wild cat, you need to shoot a good bullet to take advantage of the speed, so BC Counts. Even with a Wyatt's mag box in the 6/284, I had a two shot rifle with Berger 105's. Barrels lasted 800-1200 rounds, depending on how the chuck shooting went.
I went 6-22/250 AI and never looked back, and today the 22 Creed and 6 creeds work in spades(wyatts mag boxes a plus).
I like to have an available mag length long enough to chase the lands on a new case's OAL around .175-.200
For a guy that has got to have a short action, look into other actions other than Remington 700's for mag length. Today, R#26 in a 7/08 AI is hell on wheels with a 168g & 180g Berger hunting, and I do have a wyatt's mag box in that 700.
I have rarely shoot two shots on a deer, so a BDL mag is all that is needed.
A guy I have been talking to on Accurateshooter.com is shooting a 7mm x 47 Lapua with great results, good bullets and the ability to shoot them with extreme accuracy will trump all. It has been said before, "[bleep] ain't hard to kill".
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Nobody is saying it won't work. It's been done many times. If the OP insists on doing up a 284 SA, he might want to find a SAUM mag box and SAUM follower to assure feeding is a non-issue. I sold a set not long ago. Not sure if they're still available.
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built 284 with long bullet on 600 rem -- no problem
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Bullets ALWAYS matter wayyyyyyyyyy more than headstamps. Hint.
I've shot every chambering thus far mentioned on this Thread,in S/A 700's and a bunch that haven't been cited yet. As to 284Win and it's spawn,I've only done(2) 6-284's,(3) 25-284's and (2) 284's on S/A 700's. Hint.
Binderless AICS DBM's,won't begin to cover the realm of opportunity. HINT.
Pass the 7-08 and 180 ELD's and pardon my being afforded the luxury,of not being forced to guess.
Hint..................(grin)
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i will probably get my head bitten off here but if your like a lot of hunters shooting 300 yards and usually way less load the 284 up with a good 120-140 grain bullet and have fun with it in your short action remington with no problems.....if your in the long range game maybe look at the something else
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