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I've always wondered, why don't they just build the barrier/ smart wall for border security along Interstate 10 from California all the way through Texas? No eminant domain issues, no problems with access, etc ...Im not talking about a land give away to Mexico...Any of the U.S.ranchers/ people/ cities south of the wall would still be on US soil up to the historic border with Mexico...They could get access in and out of the smart wall through ports of entry/ exit in the wall where their is 24/7 security and border patrol, scanners, etc...They would also still be under the protection of our law enforcement and military, national guard, etc. south of the smart wall.

Try jumping that wall or smuggle people or drugs and not be caught at a port of entry or seen by the general public on the Interstate...Obviously, only build it where needed along the Interstate...

They would also have to change the stupid asylum laws about stepping foot on U.S. soil and getting automatic refugee status if they qualify.


I-10 is above the lower third of Texas. Duh.


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If people knew then what we knew now, we'd have the Rio Grande canal and not the Panama canal.



If people knew then what we know now, perhaps they should have closed the border and legislated border enforced immigration laws back when congress actually fuggin' did something...


never would have happened...….lets be honest, this is a product of ranchers and farmers needing cheap labor...period..

then it morphed into a lot of other aspects of our society …….bob





No, it's a product of congress. And those that lobby them.


RB.....if they weren't wanted, they would have never came over......come on you are from texas ...you know what I am saying is true..

back in the day, almost all farmers and ranchers had a wet around.....more when needed...less when not......but there was always a fulltime wet on the place...…..congress or not...border patrol or not......they were not giving up their wets...…bob

That used to be the case. But now with all the do gooders and liberals, everything is free.
Don’t blame those with any sense leaving Central America and Mexico. The truth of the matter is we don’t have the money to support them. The business owners who hire them are using the taxpayers to provide benefits for their low payed employees.
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RB.....if they weren't wanted, they would have never came over......come on you are from texas ...you know what I am saying is true..

back in the day, almost all farmers and ranchers had a wet around.....more when needed...less when not......but there was always a fulltime wet on the place...…..congress or not...border patrol or not......they were not giving up their wets...…bob


Back in the days of which you speak, a wetback would come work on a farm or ranch for $8 a day and room and board. They would return home at Christmas, and may, or may not come back in spring.

You NEVER heard of one bringing their wife or kids.

Now there's free healthcare, welfare, foodstamps, and free education.

Something got broken between now and then. It ain't the farmers or ranchers. Hell, they can't even afford to hire wetbacks now. Bastids want $15 an hour...

Can honestly say that for over 20 years now, I don't know even one farmer or rancher that hires wets.


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Hasbeen...….right on the money....I was pointing out how this all started.....not that the dems wanted the votes... but the cheap labor was wanted by the ag industry.....bob

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RB.....if they weren't wanted, they would have never came over......come on you are from texas ...you know what I am saying is true..

back in the day, almost all farmers and ranchers had a wet around.....more when needed...less when not......but there was always a fulltime wet on the place...…..congress or not...border patrol or not......they were not giving up their wets...…bob


Back in the days of which you speak, a wetback would come work on a farm or ranch for $8 a day and room and board. They would return home at Christmas, and may, or may not come back in spring.

You NEVER heard of one bringing their wife or kids.

Now there's free healthcare, welfare, foodstamps, and free education.

Something got broken between now and then. It ain't the farmers or ranchers. Hell, they can't even afford to hire wetbacks now. Bastids want $15 an hour...

Can honestly say that for over 20 years now, I don't know even one farmer or rancher that hires wets.


wont disagree with most of that......the ones that stayed on fulltime did bring the wife and kids over....then some more family......and real fast it got out of control....bob

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When companies continue to break the law with hiring wetbacks, it's because they are making money by doing so.

Make it HURT! Only then will it stop.

Not only that, but make it HURT the wetbacks themselves. No welfare of any sort. No asylum. No heathcare of any sort.

Just deport them with the clothes on their backs.

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A trailer-manufacturing company in Texas has been raided by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) for the second time in four years after hiring unauthorized workers again. ICE raided Load Trail on Tuesday and arrested 160 employees who were unlawfully working in the United States. The company apparently didn’t learn its lesson as it was previously fined $445,000 in 2014 for hiring 179 illegal aliens.

According to ICE’s report, Homeland Security Investigations (HSI) received a tip that the company “may have knowingly hired illegal aliens, and that many of the aliens employed at Load Trail were using fraudulent identification documents.” More than 300 federal agents were involved with the operation.

One employee claimed that agents “raided from every entrance” and that some employees attempted to escape only to be caught, according to The Dallas Morning News. Load Trail states that it has more than 500 employees, which means those arrested made up almost a third of the workforce.

The company could face exponentially higher fines this time. The standard fine for hiring illegal aliens who constitute 30 to 39 percent of a company on a first offense is $2,411 per conviction, which is approximately what the company paid the first time. The standard fine for a second time violator in the same bracket is $8,174 per conviction. Load Trail’s total fines could reach well over a million dollars.

Instead of hiring U.S. citizens, Load Trail has twice decided to employ unauthorized workers and will likely suffer the consequences yet again. Now the company is losing a large portion of its workforce and probably a substantial sum of money. This situation could have been avoided if Load Trail had put American workers before its own greed.

Katrina Berger, who is the agent in charge of the Dallas HSI office, warned other employers potentially hiring illegal aliens that they could face the same fate as Load Trail.


https://immigrationreform.com/2018/...n-for-potentially-hiring-illegal-aliens/


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this is the only way for the mess to slow way down....it wont stop entirely.....but it would be bearable.

hate to say it....but Mitt Romney ..was way more on track about the problem than trump will ever be......bob

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Originally Posted by Mathsr
A wall along I-10 in Texas would put probably close to 25% of the State on the Mexican side of the wall. I-10 is probably close to 300 miles from Mexico in a lot of places...Somebody needs to sit down with a map and re think this idea.


And in what way would their lives change? They would still be under the protection of our military, law enforcement, etc...leave existing walls on the historic border, even improve and add on to them if you want to...

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The biggest problem with a wall along I-10 is simply...as soon as any non-American steps foot on US soil they can seek asylum and our laws prevent us from sending them back. We would have thousands, if not millions, of new undocumented "citizens" in weeks. Then that new wall would be crossed by our border patrol escorting our "new citizens" to a shelter. Too bad I-10 is so far from the actual border.

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Originally Posted by The_Chadster
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A wall along I-10 in Texas would put probably close to 25% of the State on the Mexican side of the wall. I-10 is probably close to 300 miles from Mexico in a lot of places...Somebody needs to sit down with a map and re think this idea.


And in what way would their lives change? They would still be under the protection of our military, law enforcement, etc...leave existing walls on the border, even improve and add on to them if you want to...



At some point the stupid needs to stop.

Just fuggin' stop it.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
That'd make me an Instant Meskin.

(And many more hundreds of thousands of Americans.)

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Yeah lets just give Mexico about 10% of our nation...


Please read what I wrote again. WE ARE NOT GIVING THE LAND SOUTH OF THE INTERSTATE WALL TO MEXICO. Your life will be essentially unchanged...The historic border will remain...

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Originally Posted by ro1459
The biggest problem with a wall along I-10 is simply...as soon as any non-American steps foot on US soil they can seek asylum and our laws prevent us from sending them back. We would have thousands, if not millions, of new undocumented "citizens" in weeks. Then that new wall would be crossed by our border patrol escorting our "new citizens" to a shelter. Too bad I-10 is so far from the actual border.


Yes, the asylum laws would have to change before this ideal could completely work to stop refugee invasion, border jumpers, etc.. But it could put a huge dent in the drug trafficking, human smuggling right now and give us a level of control we don't currently have..


How would anything change south of a barrier on I10 than what we have now, though? You stjll have border patrol, national guard, walls near cities along the hisforic border. Its not like a wave of people could come through un-harassed....We would just be controlling the flow of what gets through to 90 plus percent of the country with a barrier on I10. With facial recognition software at ports of entry on I10 we could actually deport the criminals and keep them from coming back..

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Originally Posted by BobMt
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Originally Posted by Steelhead
If people knew then what we knew now, we'd have the Rio Grande canal and not the Panama canal.



If people knew then what we know now, perhaps they should have closed the border and legislated border enforced immigration laws back when congress actually fuggin' did something...


never would have happened...….lets be honest, this is a product of ranchers and farmers needing cheap labor...period..

then it morphed into a lot of other aspects of our society …….bob




And then the "hospitality industry"

golf courses, hotels, restaurants. (big business in the sun belt)

and then the construction industry, mostly residential.


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Originally Posted by rockinbbar
That'd make me an Instant Meskin.

(And many more hundreds of thousands of Americans.)

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Yeah lets just give Mexico about 10% of our nation...


well, to be accurate, half of that would be a give-back!

Although the Arizona part was purchased!

The Texas part was stolen by immigrants, if I recall correctly.


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Originally Posted by The_Chadster
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A wall along I-10 in Texas would put probably close to 25% of the State on the Mexican side of the wall. I-10 is probably close to 300 miles from Mexico in a lot of places...Somebody needs to sit down with a map and re think this idea.


And in what way would their lives change? They would still be under the protection of our military, law enforcement, etc...leave existing walls on the historic border, even improve and add on to them if you want to...

I kinda sorta figgered you'd' have sobered up by this morning, must be some potent stuff.

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Texas was won! Not stolen. Now you know!

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Originally Posted by Sycamore


well, to be accurate, half of that would be a give-back!

Although the Arizona part was purchased!

The Texas part was stolen by immigrants, if I recall correctly.


And all you Indians did was piss it away on firewater and casinos.... laugh

"Stolen" has a special meaning for you, doesn't it?

But we sure kicked Santa Anna's ass...

Wonder who he stole it from?


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That'd make me an Instant Meskin.



just add tequila!


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