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From the day Speaker Pelosi took control of the House, Second Amendment rights have been under constant attack.

Between the Feinstein Assault Weapons Ban, “Red Flag” laws, and Universal Background Checks (a.k.a. National Gun Registration), defending constitutionally protected gun rights is an uphill battle in the D.C. Swamp.

And unfortunately, just last year, President Trump himself supported seizing guns without due process saying, “I like taking the guns early, like in this crazy man’s case that just took place in Florida…Take the guns first.”1

Now, one year after the horrific tragedy in Parkland, Florida, the White House is once again caving to the demands of the gun grabbers by endorsing these “Red Flag” laws.

It took nearly 10 months for the Federal Commission on School Safety, established by the Trump Administration in the wake of the Parkland shooting, to release their recommendations.

One of these recommendations was an endorsement of national “Red Flag” laws like the ones being used to confiscate legally owned guns from law-abiding citizens in states like Maryland and California.

From the Federal Commission on School Safety report:

“Other recommendations include encouraging states to adopt laws permitting “extreme risk protection orders” (ERPOs), which can prevent individuals who pose a threat to themselves or others from possessing or purchasing firearms. The Federal Bureau of Investigation’s Public Access Line—a critical component of the FBI’s efforts to keep Americans safe—has undergone changes to improve the process for receiving and evaluating tips from the public.”

Of course, what is not being reported is how “Red Flag” laws STRIP law-abiding gun owners of the right to keep and bear arms without due process.

In fact, gun confiscation laws currently in place at the state level have already led to the death of one gun owner on his doorstep in Maryland.2

With a mere accusation — and with no due process or presumption of innocence — an anti-gun family member, ex-partner, neighbor or other acquaintance (depending on the state) can ask the government to seize legally owned guns from law-abiding citizens.

A simple claim someone is “crazy” or “dangerous” because they support the Second Amendment is all it takes.
In technical terms, they call it an ex parte order.

In reality, it’s a rubber stamp followed by a SWAT team raiding the gun owner’s home at five in the morning.

Make no mistake, “Red Flag” gun confiscation laws (sometimes called “ERPO’s”) are the first step towards the mass gun confiscation schemes seen across the globe.

And while there is hope U.S. Senate Republicans will hold the line against the most draconian of gun control schemes, this endorsement from the Trump White House may be the excuse weak-kneed Senators were looking for to get behind gun confiscation on the federal level.

To make matters worse, the U.S. Senate just confirmed President Trump’s Attorney General nominee, William Barr.

Attorney General Barr has a long history of supporting gun control, doubling down on his track record by siding with Dianne Feinstein on her Assault Weapons Ban in addition to national “Red Flag” laws.

“We need to push along the ERPOs so that we have these red flag [gun confiscation] laws...this is the single most important thing I think we can do in the gun control area.”

—William Barr, Attorney General Nominee 1/15/19

Now, as some of the most unconstitutional gun control laws in history are making their way through Congress, Speaker Pelosi and Senator Feinstein can count on the support of President Trump and his administration’s top prosecutor.

It is the responsibility of every pro-gun American to do everything in their power to stand against any unconstitutional gun control laws that lead to outright gun confiscation.

Sign your “No Red Flag Laws” petition and agree to your most generous contribution to NAGR of $100, or at least $50 or $25 to keep up the fight.

References:

1Samuels, Brett. “Trump: ‘Take the guns first, go through due process second.’” The Hill. Feb. 02 2018
2Zimmerman, Dan. “Maryland Man Shot and Killed by Police while serving a Gun Violence Restraining Order.” The Truth About Guns. Nov 05 2018.

https://nationalgunrights.org/resou...TQSUwuogCf5-eQgg-f6r2JiTeCRL57tjWeoRSX5o


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All I can say is they're going to need lots of body bags on both sides. People aren't going to lie own for this.


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I gots to chill. I've had to cops at my house twice in three weeks 👮🏻😀

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Originally Posted by slumlord
I gots to chill. I've had to cops at my house twice in three weeks 👮🏻😀

Roman candles during the super moon, mopar big block with header revs at 11pm, dogs eating the neighbors cat food, gettin in:out my hot tub butt nekkid
Yep, you need to settle down you outlaw.

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Civil War is closer by the day and democrats continue asking for it. Except democrats are mostly communist now.

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It’s OK. You need not worry about Trump or Barr. Trump’s boy will take you elk hunting to prove daddy will protect your 2A right to keep and bear arms.

/sarcasm

“Take the guns first, go through due process second.” – Donald Trump

The above is not the words from someone who will go to the mat for your right to keep and bear arms.



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Settle down.

They aren't after your deer rifle.


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Some of us have supported Trump through thick and thin. If Trump signs a law like this, a lot of us are off the train and actively looking elsewhere for 2020. I didn't like the bump stock thing, but this is beyond the pale.

It really begs the question as to what he's thinking unless he's reversed himself. I mean, does he think that pro-gun folk can be replaced with middle-of-the-roaders who would be for this crock o' sheet? I don't think anti-gunners will vote for him regardless of this or how much anti-gun sheet he signs. I don't think middle-of-the-road folk really care about stuff like this. For most of them, the economy is the main issue. All I can see are pro-gun voters who will drop him if he goes for it.

I know, I know...4D chess, sleight of hand, Trump says one thing whilst doing another and all that. We'll see, I guess.

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Originally Posted by ironbender
Settle down.

They aren't after your deer rifle.
What if my deer rifle is an M-4?

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Originally Posted by ironbender
Settle down.

They aren't after your deer rifle. YET

Fixed it for you. Every new restriction is just another step towards their ultimate objective.
And that is to dis-arm every single one of us.
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How about M16?

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Originally Posted by 7mmbuster
Originally Posted by ironbender
Settle down.

They aren't after your deer rifle. YET

Fixed it for you. Every new restriction is just another step towards their ultimate objective.
And that is to dis-arm every single one of us.
7mm
As you know, Ironbender was being factitious. That said, to clarify, these orders the way I understand it, would simply confiscate ALL your guns. It remains to be seen what would be in a Federal law to that effect, but most of the stuff that has already happened involving taking all the subject's guns for whatever period of time.

Trump seemed to be saying to take the guns BEFORE due process. Of course, that's not how it works. If it did though, what are they going to do? For the majority of people, they would have their guns taken, then get them back. Of course, we know that's not what the anti's want to do with this. But if that happened, what danger did it alleviate? A school shooting on that particular day or for the time of the ERPO? Would the person deemed dangerous be any less so after he got them back? When it comes down to it, people who are mentally unfit to own guns are already barred from owning them and so this is actually gathering up guns from somebody who already shouldn't have them-I mean, at best and if it worked the way it's purported to. If the person is not mentally unfit, then there is no way they've not violated his rights vis a vis the Bill of Rights.

Any way you look at it, it involves taking property away from somebody who has committed no crime, unless that person has and then ownership of the guns is already illegal.

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Originally Posted by mtnsnake
How about M16?
Too dangerous for us civilians to have anyway although seemingly it is the very gun that the 2nd Amendment is supposed to protect. Too dangerous to LE and standing military's for average citizens to own and use.

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Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by 7mmbuster
Originally Posted by ironbender
Settle down.

They aren't after your deer rifle. YET

Fixed it for you. Every new restriction is just another step towards their ultimate objective.
And that is to dis-arm every single one of us.
7mm
As you know, Ironbender was being factitious. That said, to clarify, these orders the way I understand it, would simply confiscate ALL your guns. It remains to be seen what would be in a Federal law to that effect, but most of the stuff that has already happened involving taking all the subject's guns for whatever period of time.

Trump seemed to be saying to take the guns BEFORE due process. Of course, that's not how it works. If it did though, what are they going to do? For the majority of people, they would have their guns taken, then get them back. Of course, we know that's not what the anti's want to do with this. But if that happened, what danger did it alleviate? A school shooting on that particular day or for the time of the ERPO? Would the person deemed dangerous be any less so after he got them back? When it comes down to it, people who are mentally unfit to own guns are already barred from owning them and so this is actually gathering up guns from somebody who already shouldn't have them-I mean, at best and if it worked the way it's purported to. If the person is not mentally unfit, then there is no way they've not violated his rights vis a vis the Bill of Rights.

Any way you look at it, it involves taking property away from somebody who has committed no crime, unless that person has and then ownership of the guns is already illegal.

Yup. It was TIC.

2A ain't about hunting at all. If only obviously. wink


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Guess I will never own a M16.

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Hell, we will all be shooting Encores with factory ammo only before long. The local P.O.-lice will store them when not in use .Haha


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Ya'll better send theses guys some money fast to prevent this,
That is what it's all about Money from Donations

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Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by mtnsnake
How about M16?
Too dangerous for us civilians to have anyway although seemingly it is the very gun that the 2nd Amendment is supposed to protect. Too dangerous to LE and standing military's for average citizens to own and use.

If the government and LE have more powerful weapons than ordinary citizens, then how can ordinary citizens ever regain their freedom when government takes it away, and governments always, eventually, take it away?

"The remedy for evil men is not the abrogation of the rights of law abiding citizens. The remedy for evil men is the gallows." - Thomas Jefferson

Why do you say, “No compromise” in your signature if you’re willing to compromise the power of arms under the 2A?



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Originally Posted by ironbender
Settle down.

They aren't after your deer rifle.

My state Socialists have said otherwise.


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Just keep voting Republican, they'll protect your rights and best interests.....

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