Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Alaska Opening the Tongass to Old-Growth Logging, Again

I am all for cutting lots of trees. It has been a major part of my life in different ways for a very long time. I am opposed to clearcutting Tongass old growth. The evidence has been there for decades that selective cutting of the best wood with the least intrusion into the area will allow sustainable natural regrowth.

Washington State is worlds away from the Tongass in terms of natural reprod, but the Olympic Peninsula is a case where the they also overcut the natural regrowth rates because they used numbers from south of there to project regrowth. And you are admitting they have done a terrible job. They did that cutting less than folks like you wanted cut. Your argument is seriously flawed based on that simple fact you admit openly to.

I have yet to meet anyone that is a worse steward of the land than a logger. If you question that go take a look at Afognak Island. And I know Stick was there cutting it. The strips on cliff tops, along streams, and everywhere else they were forced to leave trees were far too narrow for any reasonable person to accept. And after the first few clearcuts had been hit by major storms it was obvious to all but the willfully blind. They keep cutting right to the numbers and those strips are gone.

Great pictures as per usual, but they provide zero proof of anything in this argument.

Should it soothe your well founded Insecurities,simply denote an age to said Victim...which best soothes you and your version of "experience".

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Afognak is essentially piss flat,where Harvests occur. It isn't laced with heavy/copious topsoil or prone to landslides,to inundate waterways with unwanted impacts. Hint.

It'll come as a "surprise" to none,who actually stomp around Outdoors,that it takes MUCH more than a limb in the water,to make a Salmon sad. Fact is,The Forest Circus tosses obscene dollars,at arranging that very thing. Hint.

Pardon my being afforded the luxuries,of not being forced to guess. Pinnipeds are wayyyyyyyyyy harder on Salmonids,than the Greenie War Cry of Loggers "hurting" those runs. Now you know too.

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Keep it relevant!

Calling me insecure is not only wrong, but it goes to prove my point you have nothing by way of defense to your argument.

The age of that old-growth tree has absolutely no value in the argument. Yeah, there are a lot of very old trees in the Tongass. And a lot of them have been cut and sold for pennies on the dollar.

Those trees are required to be left there for a lot of different reasons. Yeah, some of it is to keep mud and sticks out, but it is also intended to shade the streams because the shade keeps the temperature down in the streams. Leaving narrow strips right on the cliffs at water's edge only to have them all blown down in the first pissant blow is stupid. Doing it again and again after seeing what happens is insane,

And thank you for proving my point about loggers being wonderful stewards of the land.

And again, bringing other predators into the argument is ridiculous.

Try to keep it relevant!

Facts don't hardly need "defense". JeffZero "thinks" she's "right" too. Hint. Laughing!

Pardon my quantifying Old Growth,with numerical representation,simply founded in the firsthand. Hint.

The "pennies on the dollar" ruse is "special" too.

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NO Buffer Strip...straight up fhuqking scalped.

The HORROR!

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Compelling. Not.

cool picture but what does it have to do with being an jerk all the time? Doesn't really matter how much knowledge you have if you present yourself as a arogant ass constantly.

clair,

Your VERY Tender Feelers,concern me less than zero. Hint. Congratulations?!?

I'll feign my GREAT "surprise",that you are unable to keep pace. Hint.

Bless your heart for crying though.

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Laughing!..................

Pardon a scalped waterway,bearing an abundance of fruit...no matter how many tears flow to the contrary.

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Yep! It’s called “LWD” (large woody debris). Literally bolts root wads to a river bed. Meanwhile the river meanders wherever it is pushed over time. Dumbest thing I’ve ever seen.

It's certainly FUNNY fhuqking schit!

One day they're gona shut things down if something gets damp...then the next they are renting Helicopters and bombing streams.

STUPID Fhuqks!..................

Have you been to the west side of the peninsula??? Love to see your regrowth stats. Because, you sure aren't making any sense to me at all. And I've read the numbers, helped do the studies, and had boots actually on the ground a court times....what your saying loosely equates to me telling you how to cut your grass from 1000 miles away. Not once did I say I had a right to an opinion on the Tongass. I made a loose comparison to the area I know. Fully aware they are night and day different.

So you think LWD is not important in a riverbed to correct or slow or preempt scouring post clearcutting?

Thinking it unimportant is another example of great stewardship.

I have seen a lot of clearcuts from northern CA to Afognak. Spent some time in more than a few of them and even got a process patent based on an idea I came up with while standing in a clearcut. And you have likely heard of the process if you are at all involved in the timber industry.

But do carry on.

I'd like to know the process, if you don't mind

Mother Nature is gonna put schit in the creek,whether you want her to or not.

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ALL of these STUPID Fhuqk "ideas",are simply Cash Cows for someone's pockets and "do" nothing.

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Hahahaha!!!! I still laugh at the "engineered log jams" that they put in a local river. Next high water the river changed channels. The jams have been sitting high and dry for 6 or 8 years right next to hwy 101. Laugh every time I drive by. Idiots....