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The single most important & pertinent comment in this entire thread.................................

MM

I’ve spent around 24 hours under oath answering questions in federal court about my use of force (that lasted around three minutes) against a man that spent around $400,000 suing me.

So I have a little experience dealing with the kind of things that come up in a trial of this sort. Things you should know...

1-The other side will bring up all sorts of nonsense to smear your character and much more of it will be admissible than you’d like, even though it’s not true.

2-The other side bringing up an issue isn’t the problem. The jury believing their nonsense is what you have to worry about.

3-#2 is why you need a good lawyer.

4-Hiring a good lawyer and the expert witnesses you’ll need will financially ruin you. The end. There’s no avoiding that. So don’t shoot people.

I would expect nothing less of a good, decent and reasonable man and superior court judge.

Wade is a solid dude for sure

Article indicates no ACTUAL perp "attack". Circumstances and any witnesses of the shooting incident are the primary issue. Not a good idea to utilize a firearm.......yet.

You are not arrested and charged with "homicide"........yet.

Article does not indicate the preliminary investigation, involvement of an attorney prior to arraignment, DA's evidence, let alone "jury" trial.

While carry loads are the only rounds I don't handload...if I did, would most likely use the same projectiles as law enforcement commonly use. The defense attorney would declare that the bullets used were EXACTLY the same as law enforcement used and EXACTLY the same as those used by public offerings labeled "self defense" ammo.

Great advice. If the criminal charges don’t get you, the civil charges will bankrupt you for sure.

Well, thanks! But...just to be accurate: I am a lowly District Court Judge, not a Superior Court Judge!

Well then you should be !

i remember first hearing this in the early 1990's.

at that time, my first impression was that it was pure bunk, and the more i heard about it, the more i concluded it was pure BS.

at that time, the types of premium ammo offerings of today were not manufactured--subsequently, many rolled their own.

if you think about this nonsense for even a second, a person would instantly realize that if it had been true, companies loading hot ammo--such as Underwood and Double Tap--would have run into hard times, and dark waters--right out of the gate....

Just carry what the local cops carry--

You mean killer bullets??

I always find the episode in The Sopranos humorous where Tony is arrested for having hollow point bullets in his Beretta 92. Believe it or not, those are actually illegal in New Jersey. Not sure if that means cops there all carry FMJ, but I would assume that was the case.

I don't think HP's are illegal to possess in Joysee.

But, having them in your gun, in the commission of a crime, is a crime.
At least that's how a Jersey gun dealer explained it to me.
His quote, "You're from Pa., you can't carry a handgun here, if you get caught
with one, and it's loaded with hollow points, that's a crime that adds time.
I can have a handgun, so, it's not illegal to have hollow points in it".

Hollow points are indeed illegal in New Jersey

simple suggestion,
make that first shot to center mass count!
use something that smacks the target with noticeable thump,

http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/product&path=125_204&product_id=169

and be selective in where you shoot violent aggressive morons,

so theres never anything substantial behind them, .. no bullet.... no proof its not factory ammo



yes its humor

Hollow points are totally legal in NJ. The caveat is you can only possess them in your home and on your way to/from the range to shoot.

to call massive adoobie an idiot is an insult to idiots

+1 to Bluedreaux.

I was involved in a civil matter years ago in which an expert witness was brought in to impune my testimony and my general character. This was not a firearm-related matter, but my ownership of firearms did play into it in a tangential way.

Look, I'm certainly not a saint, but I have to say that I was impressed at the opposition's willingness to make stuff up out of whole cloth. Luckily, I was represented by a fellow who had the legal chops to get most of it quashed and to get the expert witness tossed out. The fact that the opposition chose such a professional slut reflected very badly on them. I did eventually win out, but it cost a fortune.

My only comment on Bluedreaux's post is that if it comes down to it, the willingness of the opposition to manufacture bald-faced lies really negates any rational preparation you can make beforehand. You may be an upstanding member of the community, a reasonable chap leading a well-regulated life, but there is really no telling what kind of mud is going to be thrown at you. The lies will be crafted in an attempt to latch onto reality by any means necessary to give them credence. If you don't handload, then they'll pick something else-- your membership at a range, your competition record-- whatever. The whole point is to cast you as a homicidal dastard, a mental incompetent, or a moral degenerate.

My advice, therefore, is to go do as y'all see fit.

My only perception of fault in Bluedreaux, is he had the bad luck to shoot someone with rich relatives.

Sorry to here that.
Did FOP, or some other organization help defend you?
Nobody wants to hear the words “All Rise”. (That’s what I say these days).

If you shoot someone there better be more than a glint of light in their hand

-Jake

I didn’t even shoot them, just hurt him real bad.

Everything was righteous so the city was tied to me and hired a good outside firm to handle it.