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Hope someone can help me here,

I have a Bushnell LRTS which adjusts 12.5" at 100 meters (turning 3 mrad) where it should be adjusting 10.8". It will repeat this, meaning that it tracks well but I was hoping that it would be closer than this. I have a LRHS which is much better in this regard. Does anyone know what is acceptable for this scope? Will Bushnell see this as acceptable?

I understand that I can use the error to calculate adjustments but it would be nice to be closer to actual mill adjustments.

Would appreciate any feedback, thanks.

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For the purpose of rifle scopes, one mil is 3.6 inches per 100 yards. That equates to approximately 11.8" for 3 mils at 100 meters. So, the scope is actually closer to being accurate at 12.5 inches than if it were 10.8" as you hoped for. Still, I would hope for it to be even closer.

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BTW, if you're working on meters for range, it may be easier to use cm for dope. One mil is 10 cm per 100 m.

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Originally Posted by rovert
For the purpose of rifle scopes, one mil is 3.6 inches per 100 yards. That equates to approximately 11.8" for 3 mils at 100 meters. So, the scope is actually closer to being accurate at 12.5 inches than if it were 10.8" as you hoped for. Still, I would hope for it to be even closer.

Perhaps you should recalculate that.


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how do you test this? Thanks.


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I predict this thread will get educational then interesting followed by ugly and then completely derailed.

I still have a new in the box LRTSi so I’m interested to hear other users experiences.

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Originally Posted by rovert
For the purpose of rifle scopes, one mil is 3.6 inches per 100 yards. That equates to approximately 11.8" for 3 mils at 100 meters. So, the scope is actually closer to being accurate at 12.5 inches than if it were 10.8" as you hoped for. Still, I would hope for it to be even closer.

Sorry, meant to say yards. Got myself confused there. I first noticed this 'error' when I was shooting at 700 yards and my calculations made me shoot way too high. Then went back to test at 100.

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how do you test this? Thanks.

I have a rifle that shoots in the 1s and 2s. Zero at 100 and fire a group then adjust 3 mills and fire another.

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I think they would replace a scope that has a 16% adjustment error. I've never seen one anywhere close to that bad. All the LRHS/DMR/DMRII/ERS/XRS/DMRII Pro that I've been around have been well under 0.5% error.

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Originally Posted by doubletap
Originally Posted by rovert
For the purpose of rifle scopes, one mil is 3.6 inches per 100 yards. That equates to approximately 11.8" for 3 mils at 100 meters. So, the scope is actually closer to being accurate at 12.5 inches than if it were 10.8" as you hoped for. Still, I would hope for it to be even closer.

Perhaps you should recalculate that.

Perhaps you should apologise, he is correct

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Originally Posted by doubletap
Originally Posted by rovert
For the purpose of rifle scopes, one mil is 3.6 inches per 100 yards. That equates to approximately 11.8" for 3 mils at 100 meters. So, the scope is actually closer to being accurate at 12.5 inches than if it were 10.8" as you hoped for. Still, I would hope for it to be even closer.

Perhaps you should recalculate that.


I'd be glad to be shown the error of my ways if I am incorrect. I had just rolled out of bed and may have made a mistake. 3 mils at 100 meters is 30 cm. 30 cm is 11.8".

Regardless, the OP meant yards and the scope is way off.

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That’s far too much error. I’ve only heard of one other LRTS/LRHS failing to track and that was Big Stick’s LRHSi. All the LRHS/LRTS I’ve had have tracked perfectly..

How are you measuring the range to target? Typical LRF does not display in small enough increments to be perfect at 100 (usually displays to the nearest yard) so for scope tracking test you’re better off using a tape measure.

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I’d start over, the math and method outlined here is too fluid to take seriously.


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Suggestions in no particular order, you may be doing some of these already:

1. Verify your distance - easiest to do it at 100 meters.

2. Measure in cm.

3. Compare against reticle....not that it's the problem you might be seeing but I think one batch of LRTS's slipped out some time ago with reticle size being off. Just do this to make sure your's is good.

4. Make sure your target is FLAT on a solid backer. I hang my paper targets between two horizontal wires that get loose over time. A little breeze can cause a noticeable variation by moving the paper. Probably not your problem but from experience it can make a very noticeable difference.

5. Verify level of rifle/scope mount and verify level while shooting.

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Originally Posted by rovert
Originally Posted by doubletap
Originally Posted by rovert
For the purpose of rifle scopes, one mil is 3.6 inches per 100 yards. That equates to approximately 11.8" for 3 mils at 100 meters. So, the scope is actually closer to being accurate at 12.5 inches than if it were 10.8" as you hoped for. Still, I would hope for it to be even closer.

Perhaps you should recalculate that.


I'd be glad to be shown the error of my ways if I am incorrect. I had just rolled out of bed and may have made a mistake. 3 mils at 100 meters is 30 cm. 30 cm is 11.8".

Regardless, the OP meant yards and the scope is way off.

Sorry, I was looking at 100 yards and didn't notice that you switched to meters.


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