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After finding the 22Hp Czechoslovakia packets
this packet jumped out at me at the show over the weekend
missing 1 round but the price was right
25-35W

Cool! I'm used to the 5.6x52R for the 22HP, but 6.5 would have passed right by me.

Just a week or so ago one of the fellows on another forum, maybe single shots, was talking about having a 6.5X52R. Since he used the metric designation it may have been a European rifle. But, he did mention 25-35W also

.25 caliber is 6.35mm, no?

This is the bore/groove confusion from the other side of the pond, that we've fought for our freedom from.. 275 Rigby is what caliber again??? Honoring American Veterans who won us the right to choose our own quarter-bore way!

I have 6.5mm as 0.256". So if they are trying for .258, they are close.

6.5532x52R is probably a bit cumbersome.

Got it. 6.5 mm = 0.264". Assume 0.008" groove depth. Land diameter = 0.256". Close enough.

I note in the photo that the brass is stamped both 25-35W and 6.5 X 52R.

I have a 6.5x52 rimless or sometimes known as .25-35 Winchester rimless. In reality a .25 Remington but, the Germans thought Remington's were junk in the early part of last century so wouldn't refer to them lest it degrade their rifle.

When I hear 6.5 mm I think .264 not .257

Just sayin...

Yeah, really. Even all those Euro 6.5 cartridges employ .264 bullets not .257's. Why would they break protocol in this one instance?

Graham, could you throw a micrometer on a bullet?

256 Newton was actually .264

Will do in the next couple of days

This is what a gentleman from Germany sent for an explanation on a recent acquisition:

Yes, your description fits the Haenel Schonzeitbüchse = off season/ varmint rifle model 1909. This model was indeed made in .25 Remington, though Haenel called it 25/35 randlos = rimless. The .25-35 aka 6.5x52R was well known in Germany, while "Remington" was most associated with outmoded blackpowder single shots and cheap plinking actions. DWM up to the 1930s offered both cartrridges with the same loads: 6.5x52R aka .25-35 Win, DWM case number 519, and 6.5x52 aka .25 Rem, case number 519A.

That's interesting Joe
Thanks

Thanks for tracking that down Joe.

...ah, what a tangled web we weave. The first ballisticians must have wanted it to be a mystery, so only the generals and high priests could understand shooting.


I'm voting to drop the metrics in favor of fractions as the new/best calibre classification:

11/64" = 17 cal
13/64" = 20 cal
.22 will always be "22"
.243..will always be a quarter-bore wannabe, junk it
1/4" = 25 cal
.265..will always be a metric, or 270 wannabe, junk it
.27 will always be "270"
.30 = 30-30, 303, 300, 308 .311(..British..,junk it), 30-06
7/22" = Pi, anyway you slice it,...approximately

...nevermind.. hand me my 250-3000, I'm going out huntin'