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I prefer the dial torque wrenches like the Seekonk 0-75" pound unit. I have a couple others. I think one is a Snap On or Proto or something like that and it goes 0-30" pounds. The beauty of the dials is you can watch the torque climb in proportion to how much the screw is turning. Why is that important? Sometimes you run into soft screws or poor metal in the receivers and when you are tightening up the handle will be moving and the needle will be moving up and when something starts stretching or the threads yielding (stripping) the needle will stop while the handle continues to move. The dial gives you a visual that can't be seen with any of the common scope torque devices. It doesn't matter that they are spot on. The materials we are torquing are not near perfect.
With the old click type wrenches 10/22 receivers were famous for stripping 1 or 2 inch pounds before the specified torque. With the dial you can see that happening and stop just as it just starts to happen. This will save you from having to remove a broken screw or stripping a receiver. It will also detect cheap screws like we commonly find on Vortex and Burris rings or bases. The dial wrenches save us a couple times a eek from breaking or stripping a scope screws.
I will no longer use a clicker on anything other than lug nuts and bigger fasteners. My race car engine has 3/8"-24 head studs and a clicker wrench just a few pounds off will strip them right out of the block. I have switched all my torque wrenches out to dial wrenches now so we can see that before I wreck a $12,000 engine block. A few years ago a clicker wrench cost me a $2000 set of Jesel rocker bodies that was about 4 pounds off at 26 foot pounds.
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I also use the Vortex torque wrench.
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My "Fatwrench" quit before I finished mounting the second scope. I did one rifle/scope and put it away for a few weeks. When I got it out again the battery was dead. It came with a spare battery, so I put the spare in. No Go, she still would not come on. I bought a new battery at town, that dod no good either. I need to call "Larry" and get it sent back to him.
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I have a couple manual ones as linked and haven't had any problems.... Cheapest I've seen before today was $36 IIRC. Sale is done.
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My inch-pound unit came to me free - from my Dad when he finally stepped away from the precision machine work in the 80s,. No telling how old it is and right now I can't remember the brand name - but it works very precisely and maintains its set. However, I have never used it to check the tightness of scope mount/ring screws. How on earth did we mount those scopes for all of those years, starting in the 60s, and not ruin anything? And, why did our stuff shoot so accurately and kill game with hardly ever a scope problem - and never a problem of too tight or too loose? Yes, the requirements of the world have changed - much more demanding on old guys. I hope I can find that old wrench before needing to mount another Tasco or BSA scope.
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I have a Wiha and it’s worked just fine although HiredGun make a good point regarding stripping screws, or worse, whatever they are being screwed into.
Agree, mostly we are not building space shuttles, but I’d prefer to have a tool that is calibrated, and will maintain said calibration. I’d prefer to eliminate variables and worry.
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A few years ago I evaluated a few torque wrenches, using a calibrated test fixture. Two figures below show the results from Fat Wrenches. My favorite out of the test was a 1/4" beam-type wrench. IIRC, I tested a few and they were dead nuts accurate. ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/NjgPyLRP/fatty-1-chart.png) ![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/c1RmQ01q/fatty-2.png)
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For firearms or scopes absolute accuracy is rarely if ever an issue. With in 10% is plenty close and tons closer than you will get without one.
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None of my torque wrenches cost any where near $500 and none of them were made China.
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See?!!!!! I told you!!!!
And I bet you killed that baby bull without a $500 purple dillydo disguised as a torque wrench..........
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Had a fat wrench and got rid of it. I bought a Capri tools pretty impressive driver. capri tool
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I don't trust my fat wrench, had some rings loosen up on a couple rifles after torquing to spec. Never had these issues before I started using it. Go figure.
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A few years ago I evaluated a few torque wrenches, using a calibrated test fixture.
My favorite out of the test was a 1/4" beam-type wrench. IIRC, I tested a few and they were dead nuts
As I assumed would be the case......
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Borka and snap-on are what I use. The snap-on I found at a pawn shop. The snap on I bought for setting the pre-load on pinion bearings on differentials.
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Been looking for a better wrench that what I currently have.. good info here. thanks all
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I prefer the dial torque wrenches like the Seekonk 0-75" pound unit. I have a couple others. I think one is a Snap On or Proto or something like that and it goes 0-30" pounds. The beauty of the dials is you can watch the torque climb in proportion to how much the screw is turning. Why is that important? Sometimes you run into soft screws or poor metal in the receivers and when you are tightening up the handle will be moving and the needle will be moving up and when something starts stretching or the threads yielding (stripping) the needle will stop while the handle continues to move. The dial gives you a visual that can't be seen with any of the common scope torque devices. It doesn't matter that they are spot on. The materials we are torquing are not near perfect.
With the old click type wrenches 10/22 receivers were famous for stripping 1 or 2 inch pounds before the specified torque. With the dial you can see that happening and stop just as it just starts to happen. This will save you from having to remove a broken screw or stripping a receiver. It will also detect cheap screws like we commonly find on Vortex and Burris rings or bases. The dial wrenches save us a couple times a eek from breaking or stripping a scope screws.
I will no longer use a clicker on anything other than lug nuts and bigger fasteners. My race car engine has 3/8"-24 head studs and a clicker wrench just a few pounds off will strip them right out of the block. I have switched all my torque wrenches out to dial wrenches now so we can see that before I wreck a $12,000 engine block. A few years ago a clicker wrench cost me a $2000 set of Jesel rocker bodies that was about 4 pounds off at 26 foot pounds. If you are working on stuff like that you should have them calibrated frequently. FAA requires it annually for aircraft work. I can generally torque by had very accurately in the ranges I typically deal with. I test myself daily; tightening by hand an the checking with the torque wrench. I've never ruined anything with a 'clicker' type torque wrench. If you tighten a ring and there is a "soft" spot, you should be able to feel it by hand and stop. I have never had a torque wrench come back from calibration more than 3% at any value and most are <1.5%. Proto, CDI (Snap-on) and Wiha are excellent tools. There are some torque wrenches out there that are certified <.1% in variation. They can cost upwards of $2000 for a 1/4" drive tool. The come with a cable to connect to a computer for recording results. No, you don't need $500 torque wrenches for scope work but a nice tool is much more pleasing to use than a chitty one. Some of Harbor Freight tools are actually very good. I have a 1/2" impact wrench that was built specifically to compete with the $700 Snap On. It is just as good and only $119.
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Say I wanted one specifically for the 65 in/lbs 1/2" hex nuts to use in conjunction with an adjustable bit driver type that has a lower range like 10-50. On the frugal side, click or beam?
(Gotta find my 3/8" CDI, might have the question answered, but, I can't recall it's range OR location since moving. )
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Say I wanted one specifically for the 65 in/lbs 1/2" hex nuts to use in conjunction with an adjustable bit driver type that has a lower range like 10-50. On the frugal side, click or beam?
(Gotta find my 3/8" CDI, might have the question answered, but, I can't recall it's range OR location since moving. ) There's Adam & Eve stores in Missoula and Three Forks. Just an FYI
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You guys all realize that a little oil or loktite and the torque values are out the window right? This really isn’t an exact prediction of screw stretch or resistance to loosening. Not saying it’s not valuable since there isn’t a better practical way for most folks to go about it. Just saying it’s ballpark.
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