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On January 1 2020 the minimum wage goes to $15 per hour in 24 states and the DoC.

I think a pile of people will be losing jobs for a Christmas present, others say it won't happen.
In our small town most of the family owned diners have already closed, Walmart and the other chitt stores are already understaffed and over burdened with
regulations, patience are short, anger abounds and I don't see the up side to any of it.
Fast food places are going to be the first to really take a hit.

How about your towns? Any of you getting your paycheck doubled next year ?

They tried it in New Zealand.

Inflation, taxes, and just regular old price increases took away all the gains.......and then some.




A 15 dollar minimum wage is to the benefit of unskilled labor as NAFTA was to the benefit of manufacturing jobs.

One of my peers at work has a project for this coming year that will take labor out of a large fast food restaurants kitchen and be replaced with automation in a factory. If those workers making minimum wage think they can't be replaced by machines, they're wrong.

There is no up side to it. That is by intent.

Demoncraps care nothing for those they claim to. They want people to lose their jobs so they can decry the evil business man and have more people dependent on the State and them.

And it will work. Mostly because everyone not demoncrap is a blind coward.

It wipes out entry level jobs. The Democrat idea of a "living wage" for minimum is nothing but socialist propaganda. Many young people need to "learn to work". They need to start somewhere. Make it easy for them to get any first job and some experience.

Those making far more than minimum wages are also getting replaced by machines.

That is why the elite wants to trim the population drastically so the angry hordes don't knock down their defenses and kill them.

We seem to have a generation or two that find actual "work" quite demeaning and unnecessary, I don't believe we can tax the workers we have to make up the difference.
Our economy runs on consumer spending, and the lack of disposable income will in turn lower per capita spending.

Spreading the hurt seems to be the plan, grow the government and spending on the lowest producers among us.

Anything that moves away from free trade towards government decreed wages and production (communism) is a huge mistake and should be fought to the death of one or the other.

My question is what does a business do with a person that has been working there for a couple of years, worked his way up to making 15 or 16 dollars an hour and over night is making minimum wage? What about a fast food restaurant where the manager is making 35k a year and now the fry cook/garbage can hauler is making 32k? I'm sure it will all work out with time but there is going to be a lot of pain for people in the lower income brackets.

That's not true but a common misconception.

These states are adopting the $15hr minimum wage target. It sets a mark to where these states will graduate to $15hr by raising their minimum wage in yearly increments until they eventually hit $15hr.

Examples:

New Jersey enacted AB 15 in February, which will gradually increase the minimum wage rate to $15 by 2024. (The minimum wage for tipped employees will increase to $9.87 over the same period.) The schedule of annual increases was delayed for certain seasonal workers and employees of small employers, and a training wage of 90 percent of the minimum wage was created for certain employees for their first 120 hours of work.

Illinois enacted SB 1 in February, which will phase in a minimum wage increase to $15 by 2025. The measure also adjusted the youth wage for workers under age 18 (it will gradually increase to $13 by 2025) and created a tax credit program to offset labor cost increases for smaller employers.

Maryland's legislature overrode a gubernatorial veto to enact a measure (SB 280) that phased-in a minimum wage increase to $15 by 2024 (with a delayed schedule of rate increases for smaller employers) and eliminated and the state subminimum wage for employees younger than age 20.

New Mexico enacted SB 437 in April, which will raise the state minimum wage to $12 by 2023. The measure also established a training wage for high school students and slightly increased the tipped minimum wage.


Best I can tell this is current for 2019

Bernie Sanders has received 4 million dollars in donations to his presidential campaign, idiots abound !

i had a friend who at one time owned four or five burger kind franchises. I asked him about a minimum wage increase. His comment was you can only price up the price of a burger so much, the easy solution is to go to part time, and fewer employees, or automate.
which is what generally happens.
You can price a person right out of the workforce.
flopping burgers was never meant to be one's lifetime employment.

Hahahahaha more fake news on this site...

Well here in Washington state, seattle has been the test tube baby. The lib's are eating it up.

https://www.vox.com/the-highlight/2019/7/13/20690266/seattle-minimum-wage-15-dollars

Laboratories of Democracy: what Seattle learned from having the highest minimum wage in the nation
The city adopted a $15 minimum wage four years ago. Here’s what happened.

By Matthew Zeitlin Updated Jul 22, 2019, 9:07am EDT
The Highlight by Vox logo
Looking at the nation’s most intriguing experiments in local policy.

The policy: $15 minimum wage

Where: Seattle, Washington

In place since: 2015

The problem:

A Taco Bell in the Ballard neighborhood of Seattle shut down a couple hours early in the spring of 2013. All three employees and one off-shift worker walked off the job to protest low wages and work conditions. One of them was Caroline Durocher, a 21-year-old Taco Bell employee, who said the decision was “easy.”

“What we’re getting right now isn’t fair and not right,” she told the Stranger, in reference to her wage of $9.19 an hour, then the city-wide minimum wage. “It’s easy to not think about the person serving you your food.” The very next day, a Burger King, two Subways, and a Chipotle all shut down after employees continued to walk out.

Durocher was part of a nationwide wave of labor activism among the traditionally scattered and disorganized fast-food workforce, made up of largely low-wage workers at the mercy of fast-food franchise owners who set their schedules and pay. The walkouts would eventually help lead to Seattle passing a historic policy that continues to serve as an example to politicians and researchers to this day.

Seattle’s minimum wage hike, which would jack up wages to $15 an hour by 2017 for companies with more than 500 employees, was passed five years ago by the City Council. By 2021, at which time the $15 wage would be phased in for all employers, it would be the highest minimum wage in the country, well north of Washington’s already relatively high wage of just over $9. “Worker voices and folks taking to the street shifted the conversation about it and made the policy feasible,” Rachel Lauter, the executive director of Working Washington, an activist group that helped organize the protests, said.

Today, Seattle’s wage is at $16 for large employers, and $15 for all other employers (unless they provide a certain level of medical benefits or employee tips, which allows them to knock it down to $12 an hour). It remains one of the highest in the country, and a useful case study as we head into a presidential election where a higher minimum wage has become the standard policy position for Democratic candidates.

At the time the Seattle bill was passed, the federal minimum wage had stagnated at $7.25 since 2009, where it still is today. While minimum wage increases are generally popular with voters, they also tend to kick up extreme opposition from business owners, who warn of massive job losses and killing off new businesses. It’s one reason why the minimum wage has stayed so low nationally.

Seattle was a natural place for this progressive policy to pass. It is both a very wealthy city with fairly liberal politics — ranging from socially liberal businesspeople to a democratic socialist on the city council — and a high level of union penetration and a history of disruptive labor activism that goes back to its 1919 general strike. But the bill faced a fair share of opposition. Employers, like restaurant owners, raised the alarm that the new wage would force them to close businesses, raise prices, fire workers, or move their businesses outside of the city limits.

When the policy went into effect in 2015, Seattle’s minimum wage became not only the highest in the nation, but likely the most studied. A group of researchers at the University of Washington, with support from philanthropic groups, have been examining the effects of the wage increase on workers’ hours and take-home pay as well as business closures and the price of some goods like groceries.

What the researchers have found over the last few years is quite a mixed story.

How it worked:

Policymakers are still looking at Seattle as a case study in how a high minimum wage could actually work in practice. The results are complex. But here’s what happened.

Generally, those business owners who threatened to leave Seattle to evade the new wage haven’t been following through. “The restaurant industry moans and groans about minimum wage increase, but the Seattle newspaper every month has a story about 40 new restaurants opening,” said Jennifer Romich, a University of Washington social policy researcher. (According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the number of jobs in restaurants and bars in the Seattle area has grown from 134,000 to 158,000 since 2015.) Surveying employers, Romich and other researchers found the most common response to the wage increase was to raise prices or fiddle with workers’ hours, and a “very small percentage were thinking about withdrawing or leaving the city.”

The story for employees is much more varied. The minimum wage for some large employers jumped from $11 to $13 from 2015 to 2016. The economists observed the impact of the hike in 2017 and found it had dramatic effects on the low-wage workforce and employment.

Not all of them were good. They found that the policy “reduced hours worked in low-wage jobs by 6-7 percent, while hourly wages in such jobs increased by 3 percent ... consequently, total payroll for such jobs decreased.” That means the total amount that employers paid to workers was less with the new minimum wage in place than projected payroll if the policy hadn’t gone into effect.

The data, researcher Mark C. Long explained, suggested a “tipping point” between $11 and $13 “when it becomes less tenable to keep work in the city.” (Critics were quick to point out that this likely wasn’t solely due to the minimum wage policy — Seattle’s labor market continued to heat up during that period, reducing the number of low-wage jobs compared to high-wage jobs overall.)

But a year later, the team published another paper that complicated their findings. They looked at the same time period and same wage increase, but this time broke down the actual take-home pay of workers. They found that workers who were already employed at the low end of the wage scale in Seattle “enjoyed significantly more rapid hourly wage growth,” following wage increases in 2015 and 2016.

Those who were already working more hours before the wage increase saw “essentially all of the earnings increases,” while the workers who had fewer hours saw their hours go down, but wages go up enough so that their overall earnings didn’t really change. They theorized that a slowdown in new hiring for low-wage jobs could explain their earlier findings that overall payroll had gone down.

Ultimately, workers already employed either saw their take-home pay go up or stay roughly the same while working fewer hours.

Critics of the UW researchers have seized on Seattle’s uniqueness to discount the UW findings. Ben Zipperer of the liberal Economic Policy Institute wrote that the UW research is based on a “flawed comparison” between Seattle and the rest of the state. He argued that the decline in low wage jobs was due to a hot economy boosting low-wage jobs into high-wage jobs, not the new minimum wage. The data did show, Zipperer argued, that all of the workers they studied were “better off after the minimum wage increase” — higher-hour workers earned more with a higher wage while the low-hour workers got the same pay for less work.

There are still questions about the policy’s impact that are harder to observe, such as new employees who may or may not have been hired had the minimum wage been lower. And of course, the question of whether this would work in any other city remains. “I take this research as a cautionary tale for other cities like Seattle,” Long said, noting that Seattle’s booming labor market, especially at the high end and in technology, “is a very particular thing.”

What all sides would agree on is that the people advocating for a higher minimum wage — those among the already employed like Caroline Durocher who went on strike six years ago — were right to do so.

Matthew Zeitlin is a journalist in New York City.

I don't think that there are many things more important than instilling a good work ethic at a young age, I believe that's what's lacking in our youths of today, they were never taught to work or the rewards of hard work.

It’s been ongoing here for several years. It ain’t turned out too well.

Fewer jobs, places closing, any benefit is minuscule in comparison to the cost of living increases in the area.

When a MC Donald Hamberg goes from 2.00 to 5.00 and a Big Mac 4.44 to 9.95 you will see how smart the DEMORATS PARTY OF IDIOTS ARE. PEOPLE START AT TOP AND WORK THE WAY DOWN

Were that written in Yiddish it would have had a yielded a bit of useful information, a small bit, but a bit just the same.

But if young people learn to work, how will they forever vote Democrat?

But it can be.
Many fast food stores are paying in excess of $10 an hour just to get anyone to take the job.
But like you say, its almost all part time work due to employers insurance requirements for full time employees, 30 hour weeks are common in many lower level jobs today because of this.

So take a young couple right out of high school that have zero experience but they have the desire to work.

So a young guy should be able to work 2, 30 hour a week jobs with flexible schedules.

That makes him good for a solid 60 hours a week.

If his girl friend or baby momma or god forbid his boy friend can pick up another 30 hours a week, they are good for a combined 90 hours a week @ 10 bucks an hour that's $900.00 a week aka $3600 a month flipping burgers.

Even after taxes that pays the rent and then some in the areas where fast food pay's these rates.