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Now if we could get some of these guys here that trap hogs to test some ammunition like the Liberty ammo and other hot stuff. We would have some great conversations.
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Well done, it's my non-summer weather CCW. Won't find a better man-stopper... Mine as well. I have quite a bit of faith in the setup.
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So what is y’all’s preferred load for the 357 Sig.
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A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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![[Linked Image from i.postimg.cc]](https://i.postimg.cc/TPjmc5nP/image.jpg) I like your 6” barrel but really like the P226 in the Sig. pretty versatile with a 40 S&W barrel and a 22 conversion kit. It likes Buff Bore 125’s at 1425.
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So what is y’all’s preferred load for the 357 Sig. Up to now I've only used S&B 140gr FMJ. 1380 fps in the 6" barrel. This has been an outdoors pistol. I just ordered a couple boxes of the Underwood 65gr Extreme Defender. Going to see what that is all about. If I start carrying the 357 Sig in town, I'll likely be using the Underwood load.
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MM,
What does the 357 SiG do, in real terms, that a 9mm +p+ will not?
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I like your 6” barrel but really like the P226 in the Sig. pretty versatile with a 40 S&W barrel and a 22 conversion kit. It likes Buff Bore 125’s at 1425. Yeah your standard barrel length makes more sense for regular carry. Faster out of the holster, quicker presentation. Mine with the 6" barrel has been more of a 'woods gun'.
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I think most all my ammo is 125 grains...practice and carry.
In the G19 with the 23 slide assembly .40 S&W/165s, 9mm 124s and SIG 125s all shoot to the same POA at 35 yards...
With the 10mm G40 I'm also using 140-165 grain bullets and using the .357 SIG 125s POI is about 2" lower at 35 yards than the 10mm rounds...
May be mistaken, but my guess is going to be that the 65 XD rounds are going to shoot 3-5" lower at 25 yards than standard 125 grain rounds...maybe more. Less muzzle rise and getting out the barrel faster...
From a G40/6" barrel:
Buffalo Bore 125 Gold Dot HPs: 1586 fps
Underwood 115 Xtreme Defender: 1583 fps
Speer 125 Gold Dot HPs: 1471fps
Winchester whitebox 125 JHP: 1487 fps
Speer Lawman 125 TMJ: 1382 fps
Appalachian Ammo (Maine based reloading company) 125 JHP: 1440 fps
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What's your life worth.... If you have x amount per month for purchasing practice ammo, it's better spent on 9mm than on .357 Sig. More rounds down range. Buy a few less coffees at Dunks, go out to eat !ess, etc. It helps to simply have a metric schitt ton of .357 Sig ammo readily on hand.
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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MM,
What does the 357 SiG do, in real terms, that a 9mm +p+ will not? I'm not the Duty Expert, but I'd say on average, it adds around 200 fps with equal bullet weight, and equal barrel length.
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All the leftovers from the "conversion"...
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What's your life worth.... If you have x amount per month for purchasing practice ammo, it's better spent on 9mm than on .357 Sig. More rounds down range. Buy a few less coffees at Dunks, go out to eat !ess, etc. It helps to simply have a metric schitt ton of .357 Sig ammo readily on hand. Yep
"Allways speak the truth and you will never have to remember what you said before..." Sam Houston
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All the leftovers from the "conversion"... We still have a bunch in inventory. Those of us that kept one on hand have access to it! A few other folks that were getting out of the .357 game traded me case-for-case for 9mm that I had on hand.
�Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn't even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.�
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All the leftovers from the "conversion"... We still have a bunch in inventory. Those of us that kept one on hand have access to it! A few other folks that were getting out of the .357 game traded me case-for-case for 9mm that I had on hand. ...lucky U!!!!
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MM,
What does the 357 SiG do, in real terms, that a 9mm +p+ will not? I'm not the Duty Expert, but I'd say on average, it adds around 200 fps with equal bullet weight, and equal barrel length. Which might result in over expansion.
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Thanks, I was just going to post that. So appropriately 175 FPS more and the benefit of bottle necked feeding.
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MM,
What does the 357 SiG do, in real terms, that a 9mm +p+ will not? I'm not the Duty Expert, but I'd say on average, it adds around 200 fps with equal bullet weight, and equal barrel length. Which might result in over expansion. One reason I'm liking the looks of the Underwood Extreme Defender lineup for a carry load.
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..no one using the .357 SIG round seems to be complaining about "over expansion"...
I'll take that any time vs. "under expansion"...
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