As it is now our churches have been taking a path away from God...
501(c)(3). When a church accepts a tax exemption from the government, it agrees to play by certain governmental rules, and accepts a certain degree of governmental oversight. Money matters to churches too. A lot.
Joseph W Dellapenna Dispelling the Myths of Abortion History.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven.
Anglo- American law always treated abortion as a serious crime, generally including early in pregnancy. Prosecutions and even executions go back 800 years in England, establishing law that carried over to colonial America. The reasons offered for these prosecutions and penalties consistently focused on protecting the life of the unborn child. This unbroken tradition refutes the claims that unborn children have not been treated as persons in our law or as persons under the Constitution of the United States.
Bob,
I think you need new glasses.
The Calendar say 2020, not 1220.
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You didn't use logic or reason to get into this opinion, I cannot use logic or reason to get you out of it.
You cannot over estimate the unimportance of nearly everything. John Maxwell
Does the US Constitution need to be amended in that regard?
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All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
yea....that's not going to happen.
Some folks like a literal interpretation of certain parts of that document but not other parts.
e.g. "Shall not be infringed"
then there's "All persons born"................
Nothing there about all persons "conceived" that I can see.
Geno
The desert is a true treasure for him who seeks refuge from men and the evil of men. In it is contentment In it is death and all you seek (Quoted from "The Bleeding of the Stone" Ibrahim Al-Koni)
I'm not in favor of abortion. My 2 oldest grandchildren were conceived out of wedlock due to errors of judgement by my both my son and daughter. They made what I consider the right choice. But at the same time it is not any of the governments business. Abortion has been practiced for centuries and was never seen as a problem by our churches. It was not made illegal in this country until just prior to the Civil War. And even then it wasn't made illegal for moral purposes. Doctors and mid-wives were losing too much business and lobbied the government to make it illegal on the basis that the techniques used at the time were dangerous to the mothers. It was about the money even then.
Our churches and religious leaders never considered abortion to be a moral issue until AFTER the Roe v Wade decision. Spending 40 years trying to overturn Roe v Wade was the biggest mistake our churches ever made. if our churches had taken the right approach and actually done something to offer girls other options the abortion clinics would have closed due to lack of business. No pregnant woman has an abortion because they want to. They do it because they see it as the only option.
There were at least 1/2 dozen girls I knew from HS between the mid 70's and mid 80's that got pregnant. All but one had an abortion. It was pretty well known, but never spoken of and with plausible deniability. All of the girls who had abortions went on to be happily married and are now considered pillars of the community because their dirty little secret could be kept in the dark. The ONE girl who chose to have her child and give it up for adoption was vilified by the church community. So much so that she had to leave town after graduating and has never come back. Seems to me that if our churches really wanted to stop abortion the opposite would have been the case.
Planned Parenthood is the target of the churches scorn, but the fact is that PP has done 10X more to reduce the number of abortions in this country than our churches have. The number of abortions are at an all time low and it is due to the fact that birth control is being offered as an option. Something our churches have opposed vigorously.
Making sin illegal isn't our job as Christians. The sooner we figure that out and get back to doing what we are supposed to do the sooner things in this country will improve. As it is now our churches have been taking a path away from God and have been since the 1970's
Well Said...
Now, for those in favor of overturning RvW.
Show your money...😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
Anglo- American law always treated abortion as a serious crime, generally including early in pregnancy. Prosecutions and even executions go back 800 years in England, establishing law that carried over to colonial America. The reasons offered for these prosecutions and penalties consistently focused on protecting the life of the unborn child. This unbroken tradition refutes the claims that unborn children have not been treated as persons in our law or as persons under the Constitution of the United States.
What does old English law say about abortion before the "quickening"?
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.
Beaver 10, you need to read this book. Your Utilitarian ethic equates to a simple majority voting to force Socrates to drink poison. Or two men and a woman shipwreck on an island and the men voting to allow rape on Tuesday Friday and Monday.
America was not founded on a Utilitarian ethic. That is Hitler and Stalin and all Marxists.
The Declaration asserts God given inalienable rights sustained by just governments for individuals. If you do not believe in Jefferson's creed at this point maybe you should take your own advice and shut your stupid godless Marxist mouth.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven.
Beaver 10, you need to read this book. Your Utilitarian ethic equates to a simple majority voting to force Socrates to drink poison. Or two men and a woman shipwreck on an island and the men voting to allow rape on Tuesday Friday and Monday.
America was not founded on a Utilitarian ethic. That is Hitler and Stalin and all Marxists.
The Declaration asserts God given inalienable rights sustained by just governments for individuals. If you do not believe in Jefferson's creed at this point maybe you should take your own advice and shut your stupid godless Marxist mouth.
Bob, I don’t read so well ever since my birth mom stuck a coat hanger in my head...😎
Curiosity Killed the Cat & The Prairie Dog “Molon Labe”
Does the US Constitution need to be amended in that regard?
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All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside. No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Yes, because anything not clearly addressed and spelled out is forever open to interpretation by the courts. The ongoing snit over the RKBA is one example. One shouldn't have to read a bunch of old writings by the founders or the authors of later amendments to figure out what they really meant. Say it outright and unequivocally, so there's no doubt.
Also, of course is the matter under discussion. Roe v. Wade is based on interpretation that creates a right to privacy that's also not spelled out.
Yeah, ever kid needs a drugged out whore for a mother, that'd be the life......
By your way of reasoning all three year olds of derelict mothers should be shot.
I have a question for you Robert.
How many unwanted children have you adopted? How many have you just opened your door to even temporarily in their time of need?
Is he not answering because his answer would be a whole number less than one?
Bob,
Let me show you how easy it is to answer this question.
In my case the answer is 2, and that was on top of the 5 kids I already had at the time.
Your diligence and or my accused dereliction is a false argument and you know it. Because you adopted two black kids, does not equate to justifying the mass murder of over 60 million helpless children.
Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven.
Let's not forget that Chief justice Blackmun was prejudiced and as I stated earlier,he should have recused himself.
His daughter became pregnant,out of wedlock,then she married her boyfriend.When her marriage failed Blackmun blamed the birth of the child.It just like liberals to foist blame on anyone else except the two individuals truly responsible for the pregnancy.
The Roe v Wade was based upon numerous lies.These lies render the courts decision a fraud and all arguments for murdering children moot.
Jane Roe had been raped.
60% of Americans wanted legalized abortion.
One million illegal abortions had taken place in the U.S.
10,000 women had died from illegal abortions.
The embryo/fetus/preborn are not human beings.
Communist Goals
26. Present homosexuality and degeneracy as normal. 27. Discredit the Bible. 28. Eliminate prayer in the schools.
"Quickening", followed by the rights of citizenship at birth.
Remember why, specifically, the Bill of Rights was written...remember its purpose. It was written to limit the power of government over the individual.
There is no believing a liar, even when he speaks the truth.
Beaver 10, you need to read this book. Your Utilitarian ethic equates to a simple majority voting to force Socrates to drink poison. Or two men and a woman shipwreck on an island and the men voting to allow rape on Tuesday Friday and Monday.
America was not founded on a Utilitarian ethic. That is Hitler and Stalin and all Marxists.
The Declaration asserts God given inalienable rights sustained by just governments for individuals. If you do not believe in Jefferson's creed at this point maybe you should take your own advice and shut your stupid godless Marxist mouth.
That last sentence pretty much sums up rw's level of discourse and the quality of thinking that guides it.
He has yet to be right about anything but compensates w/ volume, very tiresome.
mike r
Don't wish it were easier Wish you were better
Stab them in the taint, you can't put a tourniquet on that. Craig Douglas ECQC
